On the Brink? Thoughts about Boiled Water

[Ree Fresh]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Although I can understand your points completely, I personally am not that worried, and I don't have kids or a family to worry about, so I'm taking my own risks in not being too concerned with it. I know it's easy to think that some people may be a little panicked about it, but ask any of the new parents on this board if they feel comfortable boiling water and serving it to their newborns, ask the nurses if they feel comfortable with their patents drinking the water... Of course drinking water from the tap is never 100% safe, but the health authority doesn't always issue advisories cautioning people that ingesting water that isn't boiled could be potentially harmful. My point was that while I'm not all that worried, I can understand why some parents, caretakers of the elderly, etc. might be worried.

Like ive said, unless you have a weak immune system or digestive system ie. elderly/invents/the sick I wouldn't either. But for your average Joe and kid over 5 years there shouldn't be a worry or panic. Sadly because ppl are panicking its making water available to those who really need it much harder.
Even when were not in a water shortage there are some ppl who are anal about drinking tap water. When really over the years it helps build your immune system. Much like how ppl who live in 3rd world countries can handle the water that isnt treated. Kind of a catch 22.

[-evil-duerr-]

I never thought I'd be using dasani for bong water...

[MC Hammered]

This water issue just points out how stupid a great majority of the people who live here are.

Why go buy bottled water when it's raining like crazy outside? Go put out a few pots and collect the rainwater and drink that. If you are really lazy microwave it.

Many a fool and their money is very easily parted here it seems.

[-evil-duerr-]

^ are you actually drinking vancouver rain water ?

lol lol . youve gotta be kidding

Originally Posted by MC Hammered

This water issue just points out how stupid a great majority of the people who live here are.

Why go buy bottled water when it's raining like crazy outside? Go put out a few pots and collect the rainwater and drink that. If you are really lazy microwave it.

Many a fool and their money is very easily parted here it seems.

Salim bought my water for me from Costco.

I didn't part with any of my money. :D

[MC Hammered]

What is wrong with drinking rain water?

I'd rather spend money on beer than bottled water like all the lemmings that live here.

I bet if they said on the news that a virus was about to hit and to stock up on toilet paper the stupid people here would stockpile that too.

[.anya]

^um, I'm pretty sure rain water is not safe to drink.
I don't know about Vancouver specifically, but when I was travelling in French Polynesia, all the hostels used rainwater only for cleaning dishes and showering, never for cooking or drinking. And this is coming from a place which values water really highly. Because of using rain water for showers for too long, my skin actually freaked out and I got a crazy eczema breakout. So I wouldn't rush to drink rain water.

[MC Hammered]

It is a sad day when people are questioning if you can or can not drink rainwater.

[Ree Fresh]

^Indeed

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

^ are you actually drinking vancouver rain water ?

lol lol . youve gotta be kidding

Originally Posted by .anya

^um, I'm pretty sure rain water is not safe to drink.
I don't know about Vancouver specifically, but when I was travelling in French Polynesia, all the hostels used rainwater only for cleaning dishes and showering, never for cooking or drinking. And this is coming from a place which values water really highly. Because of using rain water for showers for too long, my skin actually freaked out and I got a crazy eczema breakout. So I wouldn't rush to drink rain water.

Maybe becuase of the way they were collecting it... off a dirty roof. But I mean seriously what kind of common sense are some of you lacking?

Believe it or not, but a vase majority of homes all over the world rely on this very practical invention like we rely on a fridge. Almost every home had one of these beside their home while I was in the out back of Australia because ppl couldn't afford to buy water all year round.



It's like some of you think our drinking water comes from a magical water fairy out of no where.

[MC Hammered]

Almost like asking someone where milk comes from and they answer 'the store'

[cubed]

Originally Posted by MC Hammered

Almost like asking someone where milk comes from and they answer 'the store'

YOU MEAN IT DOESN'T?!?!?!?!?!?!

THAT'S JUST SILLY TALK!!!!!

Originally Posted by cubed

YOU MEAN IT DOESN'T?!?!?!?!?!?!

THAT'S JUST SILLY TALK!!!!!

BROWN COWS MAKE THE CHOCOLATE MILK.

[.anya]

Wow, thanks for the diagram!!! I saw a lot of the same systems set up, but I believe that they had a filtration process of some kind before it was allowed to be drinking water. I'm not arguing that rainwater can eventually be drinking water, but I think there's some middle step to actually make it safe for most people. ...Or maybe that's just my lack of common sense.

[MC Hammered]

Originally Posted by cubed

YOU MEAN IT DOESN'T?!?!?!?!?!?!

THAT'S JUST SILLY TALK!!!!!

NO IT DOESN'T!!!

Milk comes from the Milkman!

[prozac]

^I don't think the tanks @ the houses I lived in had filters...

dude. It's rain water. What is there to filter?! lol It's freaking condensation falling from the sky. Condensation is a water purification technique in itself, because polluting particles can't evaporate.

Unless you're in LA getting some freaky-ass acid rain...rainwater is pretty much the most natural thing to drink.

[Ree Fresh]

Originally Posted by .anya

Wow, thanks for the diagram!!! I saw a lot of the same systems set up, but I believe that they had a filtration process of some kind before it was allowed to be drinking water. I'm not arguing that rainwater can eventually be drinking water, but I think there's some middle step to actually make it safe for most people. ...Or maybe that's just my lack of common sense.

Like many things... its fine when its fresh from the sky. If yoru dont maintain it properly and keep an eye on it... little things like birds can fly in, get traped, and die in it. Still water is actualy a breeding ground for bactieria and other tiny animals. A lot of those containers are disighned to keep things out and probly have a built in filter.

[yoko*]

Originally Posted by DJ Ponz

In the face of any crisis - regardless of the severity - people don't give a shit about order or fairness.

I don't think crisis is even a necessary condition for people to not give a shit about order or fairness.

[stephen_c]

scotch on the rocks w/ muddy ice cubes

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

Like ive said, unless you have a weak immune system or digestive system ie. elderly/invents/the sick I wouldn't either. But for your average Joe and kid over 5 years there shouldn't be a worry or panic. Sadly because ppl are panicking its making water available to those who really need it much harder.
Even when were not in a water shortage there are some ppl who are anal about drinking tap water. When really over the years it helps build your immune system. Much like how ppl who live in 3rd world countries can handle the water that isnt treated. Kind of a catch 22.

Propaganda.


Drinking tap water is hazardous to anyone's health regardless if they are young, elderly, sick or in good health and it weakens not strengthens the immune system.

There are 2 main reasons for this: fluoridation and chlorination of the water.

Both are known to release carinogens in the water, but lets stick with the later as that's what they do to treat the water here in BC.

If we were to just have regular water come without the chlorination mind you there would be other contaniments that would be present, namely a variety of bacteria.

This is the stuff that you could build antibodies against. You don't build antibodies against chlorine as it's not a substance readily found in our natural habitat (you'd be really hard pressed to find a carbon or hydrogen based life forms with any chlorine in their anatomy at all, if by chance you do find one, it might be about that time to call guiness).

No chlorine is a poison, the first of the war gasses. It may kill bacteria from our water, but it's certainly not safe to drink even in doses less than 1 ppm.

Mind you there is a good reason why its in the water. It does kill bacteria and this would be a necessary process while the water is travelling underground through piping that simply can't get cleaned, but as soon as it hits your home, it really is not doing you any more justice. A good distillation or filtering system can curb this problem pretty effectively though.


Now some quotes to ponder:



"The drinking of chlorinated water has finally been officially linked to an increased incidence of colon cancer. An epidemiologist at Oak Ridge Associated Universities completed a study of colon cancer victims and non-cancer patients and concluded that the drinking of chlorinated water for 15 years or more was conducive to a high rate of colon cancer." Health Freedom News, January/February 1987

"Long-term drinking of chlorinated water appears to increase a person's risk of developing bladder cancer as much as 80%," according to a study published in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. Some 45,000 Americans are diagnosed every year with bladder cancer. St. Paul Dispatch & Pioneer Press, December 17, 1987

"Although concentrations of these carcinogens are low...it is precisely these low levels which cancer scientists believe are responsible for the majority of human cancers in the United States." Report Issued By The Environmental Defense Fund

"Drinking tap water that is chlorinated is hazardous if not deadly to your health."
HEALTHY WATER FOR LONGER LIFE - DR. MARTIN FOX

"Known carcinogens are found in drinking water as a direct consequence of the practice of chlorination"
MUNICIPAL ENVIROMENTAL RESEARCH LAB - FRANCIS T. MAYO, DIRECTOR

"Cancer risk among people drinking chlorinated water is 93% higher than among those whose water does not contain chlorine."
US COUNCIL OF ENVIROMENTAL QUALITY

"Chlorine is the greatest crippler and killer of modern times. While it prevented epidemics of one disease, it was creating another. Two decades ago, after the start of chlorinating our drinking water in 1904, the present epidemic of heart trouble, cancer and senility began."
SAGINAW HOSPITAL - DR J.M. PRICE

The National Academy of Sciences estimate that 200-1000 people die in the United States each year from cancers caused by ingesting the contaminants in water."
SCIENCIES NEWS, VOLUME 130 - JANET RALOFF

"The cause of atherosclerosis and resulting heart attacks and strokes is none other than the ubiquitous chlorine in our drinking water."
CORONARIES/CHOLESTEROL/CHLORINE - DR. JM PRICE

"Chlorine gas was used despicably during WWI. When the war was over, the use of chlorine was diverted to poisoning the germs in our drinking water. All water supplies throughout the country were chlorinated. The combination of chlorine and animal fats results in atherosclerosis, heart attacks and death."
WATER CAN UNDERMINE YOUR HEALTH - DR. N.W. WALKER, D.S.



Needless to say I don't drink tap water. Im even reluctant to have some out of a Brita (which helps get rid of chlorine). Plastic bottles are no good either, there is a recycling codex that shows the recycling symbol (three arrows winding around in a triangle) with a number in the middle. 1-4 release carcinogens. 5 and up don't and are typically found in glass containers.

Shit scrolling through I realized this has become a PSA. Ahh well, I hope some of you atleast appreciated the intel. Peace.

[LeeBrat]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Like most people have said , "what if there was a real disaster" the whole city is gonna go nuts. I hope this little incident helps people to see the big picture.

i agree, i thin everyone needs a wake up call.


on the other hand, I live on a well, and our water had been contaminated for a while now, from all the pollition from cars etc....anyway, i have had to boil my water for months, its no big deal, people are over reacting.

[mojo]

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

It's like some of you think our drinking water comes from a magical water fairy out of no where.

Here come the fairies!

edit: had i only snapped the pic a bit to the left it would have made for a pretty witty pun. oh well.

[Ree Fresh]

lol

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

Propaganda.


Drinking tap water is hazardous to anyone's health regardless if they are young, elderly, sick or in good health and it weakens not strengthens the immune system.

There are 2 main reasons for this: fluoridation and chlorination of the water.

Both are known to release carinogens in the water, but lets stick with the later as that's what they do to treat the water here in BC.

If we were to just have regular water come without the chlorination mind you there would be other contaniments that would be present, namely a variety of bacteria.

This is the stuff that you could build antibodies against. You don't build antibodies against chlorine as it's not a substance readily found in our natural habitat (you'd be really hard pressed to find a carbon or hydrogen based life forms with any chlorine in their anatomy at all, if by chance you do find one, it might be about that time to call guiness).

No chlorine is a poison, the first of the war gasses. It may kill bacteria from our water, but it's certainly not safe to drink even in doses less than 1 ppm.

Mind you there is a good reason why its in the water. It does kill bacteria and this would be a necessary process while the water is travelling underground through piping that simply can't get cleaned, but as soon as it hits your home, it really is not doing you any more justice. A good distillation or filtering system can curb this problem pretty effectively though.


Now some quotes to ponder:



"The drinking of chlorinated water has finally been officially linked to an increased incidence of colon cancer. An epidemiologist at Oak Ridge Associated Universities completed a study of colon cancer victims and non-cancer patients and concluded that the drinking of chlorinated water for 15 years or more was conducive to a high rate of colon cancer." Health Freedom News, January/February 1987

"Long-term drinking of chlorinated water appears to increase a person's risk of developing bladder cancer as much as 80%," according to a study published in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. Some 45,000 Americans are diagnosed every year with bladder cancer. St. Paul Dispatch & Pioneer Press, December 17, 1987

"Although concentrations of these carcinogens are low...it is precisely these low levels which cancer scientists believe are responsible for the majority of human cancers in the United States." Report Issued By The Environmental Defense Fund

"Drinking tap water that is chlorinated is hazardous if not deadly to your health."
HEALTHY WATER FOR LONGER LIFE - DR. MARTIN FOX

"Known carcinogens are found in drinking water as a direct consequence of the practice of chlorination"
MUNICIPAL ENVIROMENTAL RESEARCH LAB - FRANCIS T. MAYO, DIRECTOR

"Cancer risk among people drinking chlorinated water is 93% higher than among those whose water does not contain chlorine."
US COUNCIL OF ENVIROMENTAL QUALITY

"Chlorine is the greatest crippler and killer of modern times. While it prevented epidemics of one disease, it was creating another. Two decades ago, after the start of chlorinating our drinking water in 1904, the present epidemic of heart trouble, cancer and senility began."
SAGINAW HOSPITAL - DR J.M. PRICE

The National Academy of Sciences estimate that 200-1000 people die in the United States each year from cancers caused by ingesting the contaminants in water."
SCIENCIES NEWS, VOLUME 130 - JANET RALOFF

"The cause of atherosclerosis and resulting heart attacks and strokes is none other than the ubiquitous chlorine in our drinking water."
CORONARIES/CHOLESTEROL/CHLORINE - DR. JM PRICE

"Chlorine gas was used despicably during WWI. When the war was over, the use of chlorine was diverted to poisoning the germs in our drinking water. All water supplies throughout the country were chlorinated. The combination of chlorine and animal fats results in atherosclerosis, heart attacks and death."
WATER CAN UNDERMINE YOUR HEALTH - DR. N.W. WALKER, D.S.



Needless to say I don't drink tap water. Im even reluctant to have some out of a Brita (which helps get rid of chlorine). Plastic bottles are no good either, there is a recycling codex that shows the recycling symbol (three arrows winding around in a triangle) with a number in the middle. 1-4 release carcinogens. 5 and up don't and are typically found in glass containers.

Shit scrolling through I realized this has become a PSA. Ahh well, I hope some of you atleast appreciated the intel. Peace.

The air we breath isnt pure, the houses we live in are full of toxins, I hear a game boy contains 24 toxins alone, and most food we eat isnt pure or naturaleither. Ironicly organic produce can be more dangerouse as it is more prone to botchualism.
Long story short... what doesnt cuase cancer or eventuraly kill us?

Intresting fact I heard in the staff room:

North America spends more money on filtered water than any other country. However Canada must have some of the best natural water on the planet.

North Americans spend more money on filtered water than beer!!!

[DJ Ponz]

Originally Posted by yoko*

I don't think crisis is even a necessary condition for people to not give a shit about order or fairness.

Of course it's not. I would hope that times of crisis are the times that a community pulls it together and works as one for the benefit of all. But that's not the reality.

Interestingly, the only time I can think of that a community/society really came together in a time of crisis is England 1939-1945 (of course I'd entertain other examples). Arguably, it was the first time in British history that a single goal superceded class divisions and personal gain. An interesting but sad contrast that: war = community unity. Maybe it has to do with focusing efforts on a single, unified purpose. But a different time and different place.

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by LeeBrat

i agree, i thin everyone needs a wake up call.


on the other hand, I live on a well, and our water had been contaminated for a while now, from all the pollition from cars etc....anyway, i have had to boil my water for months, its no big deal, people are over reacting.

Ya it takes only a few minutes. Out here we been boiling water in a iron kettle for liek a couple of years. I think its iron anyways but ya its not only cleaner. I find it tastes better as well.

[yoko*]

Originally Posted by DJ Ponz

Of course it's not. I would hope that times of crisis are the times that a community pulls it together and works as one for the benefit of all. But that's not the reality.

Interestingly, the only time I can think of that a community/society really came together in a time of crisis is England 1939-1945 (of course I'd entertain other examples). Arguably, it was the first time in British history that a single goal superceded class divisions and personal gain. An interesting but sad contrast that: war = community unity. Maybe it has to do with focusing efforts on a single, unified purpose. But a different time and different place.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting at. Nowadays, given our larger cities/greater populations and the impersonal nature of many of our daily relationships, that sense of community and solidarity is less obvious, if it exists at all. It's less likely that many of us share history or a sense of connection and responsibility to each other.

Maybe in smaller, less populated cities people would be more likely to help each other out in times of crisis. Even then, there is bound to be people who think more selfishly.... Understandably though, since after all, when you're stripped down of all your necessities your own personal survival and that of the select few that are close enough to you (ie-family) become higher on the priority list than that of the "community" as a whole (what does community mean to us nowadays anyway?).

It's interesting how the term "community" has expanded to include the whole world (e.g. global community).. yet our relationships to one another have become so much more impersonal.