disgusting human beings

[Phrenetic]

Originally Posted by crookedking

everyone back off! prenetic doesn't agree.

made my day

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by galaxie

Pretty sure that NO ONE would consent to having sex with someone who is HIV positive unless they were, too.

Um, don't you mean unprotected sex?

Just because you get HIV doesn't mean you're now limited to having sex with HIVers for the rest of your life. And if you use STDs as a reason to never have (safe) sex with someone else, you're pretty damn shallow. (Not saying you are Nat, I'm assuming you accidentally omitted a word)

[galaxie]

^ I wouldn't have protected sex with someone who had HIV. Like I said, there is still a risk of spreading it even while wearing a condom. Personally, I wouldn't want to run that risk. I don't really think that's shallow, I think it's playing it safe.

[thebobman]

Hooooly shit folks! That escalated somethin' FIERCE.

People shitting on b0ld: b0ld stated the obvious. Admittedly, he did it a little bluntly but the fact remains that the situation was preventable on her part. That doesn't make it in any way her fault or diminish his guilt, its just a fact, not a truth.

b0ld: if somebody pulls out a concealed weapon and shoots you the fact you should/could have prevented being shot by wearing a bullet proof vest doesn't make it in any way your fault. The guy who infected this poor woman with HIV is still totally at fault for not disclosing his condition.

Everybody: a thread detailing somebody's personal tragedy is absolutely not a venue for discussing safe sex tips. Take a step back so you can recognize that while you're arguing on the internet this person's life could be ruined because of a stupid mistake that every one of us could easily have made.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by galaxie

^ I wouldn't have protected sex with someone who had HIV. Like I said, there is still a risk of spreading it even while wearing a condom. Personally, I wouldn't want to run that risk. I don't really think that's shallow, I think it's playing it safe.

So you get right into the moment, hot & heated, you make the move for his pants and....

"Baby, I gotta tell ya, I'm HIV positive"

And you're already out the door?

Yeah, not shallow at all.

"Sorry, I like you and all, but I can't have sex with you because your ex didn't use a rubber when she decided to cheat on you"

[galaxie]

^ Not true. If I were in a relationship with someone and they told me they were HIV positive I wouldn't head for the hills. At the same time, I wouldn't be having sex with them, either. I think that it's possible to have a very meaningful relationship that does not revolve around sex - in fact, I'm in one right now - it just can't happen on a regular basis with a 3500 mile distance factor. There is more to a relationship than sex, and I wouldn't be jumping into having sex with someone who was HIV positive.

And you know, for me, a relationship is built on trust. I would HOPE that this discussion would happen BEFORE said hot & heated moment.

[galaxie]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

"Sorry, I like you and all, but I can't have sex with you because your ex didn't use a rubber when she decided to cheat on you"

And one other thing - why should anyone put themself in the postition of knowingly possibly contracting a life-threatening illness? Especially if they only "LIKE" the person?

I dunno, call me shallow if you like, but I don't think putting my personal well being first is shallow.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by galaxie

^ Not true. If I were in a relationship with someone and they told me they were HIV positive I wouldn't head for the hills. At the same time, I wouldn't be having sex with them, either. I think that it's possible to have a very meaningful relationship that does not revolve around sex - in fact, I'm in one right now - it just can't happen on a regular basis with a 3500 mile distance factor. There is more to a relationship than sex, and I wouldn't be jumping into having sex with someone who was HIV positive.

And you know, for me, a relationship is built on trust. I would HOPE that this discussion would happen BEFORE said hot & heated moment.

Sometimes the hot & heated moments just happen, and there's nothing you can do about it.

I dunno. Just seems absolutist to say that NO ONE would have sex with someone with an STD. And really, how far can a relationship progress without sex? It's the cornerstone of our natural existence, it's bound to come up. Sure, you're in a long distance relationship now, but are you telling me that you've never had sex with your current S/O?

Trust is one of those things that's built within a relationship, and it's necessary to have a strong relationship - I agree with you 100% on that - but SEXUAL attraction is what originally gets you interested in said relationship. To deny this is to lie to yourself.

Just because a relationship doesn't revolve around sex doesn't mean that sex isn't an important part of it. I really don't think I could date someone I wasn't sexually compatible with for very long.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by galaxie

And one other thing - why should anyone put themself in the postition of knowingly possibly contracting a life-threatening illness? Especially if they only "LIKE" the person?

I dunno, call me shallow if you like, but I don't think putting my personal well being first is shallow.

Who said you only "LIKE" the person? Some kind of prerequisite or something to love that you have to divulge all your previous sexual habits and anything that's come up because of it before you'll actually love a person?

I'm not saying you have to put yourself at risk, but I'm also saying that you should really take a step back on that policy. It's pretty self-centered to say that it's impossible for you to have any kind of a sexual relationship with someone with an STD.

Also the fact that earlier on in this thread you couldn't even fathom why ANYONE would want to just bugs me. It's like you're treating them like a relationship leper just because of some mistake when they were younger, or because of some other person's mistake that they are now paying for.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Courtney

so i run into an ex coworker and ask her how shes doing
not so well...
her husband left her 10 months ago and so she started seeing this regular that I know (always really liked him, little bit weird but nice) so anyways 2 weeks ago she finds out from a friend that he is apparently hiv positive...so she confronts him and he admints that he has it and he didnt tell her because he didnt want her to get hurt! Not to mention, they had unprotected sex twice..and she went to the doctor but she won't find out the results for 3 months because of the incubation perioud...
WHAT A HORRIBLE human being...that is fucking disgusting and I think she should sue him

wow, thats such a sad thing to hear.

just gose to show how serious sex is.....

so not to be taken lightly

[FeelGood]

i went out with my ex for just over 3yrs.
never had unprotected sex.

guess it pays to use your brain and to respect each other.

[kir mokum]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

So you get right into the moment, hot & heated, you make the move for his pants and....

"Baby, I gotta tell ya, I'm HIV positive"

And you're already out the door?

Yeah, not shallow at all.

"Sorry, I like you and all, but I can't have sex with you because your ex didn't use a rubber when she decided to cheat on you"

so you'd rather possibly contract HIV/AIDS than look like an minor asshole?
you're a fucking idiot. this isn't a cold you might catch, or crabs, or even a bad tattoo, it's a debilitating, life threatening, terminal illness. is sex with one person worth dying for? is it worth destroying your own sex life?

[galaxie]

^ I agree.
Having sex with someone who has an STD that condoms DO protect against is one thing. Having sex with someone with HIV which condoms do NOT protect 100% against is another. I'm not about to put my life on the line like that. Like I said, go ahead, call me selfish - but contracting HIV is not exactly in my life plan, and I think putting yourself in the position of contracting a life-threatening illness by CHOICE is foolish.

[lildonkey]

Originally Posted by Phrenetic

dont attack people based on there weight. or repeatedly calling someone a fag. its not cool. and i don't agree

oh and the use of the "N" werd wasnt to cool either

Yeah.. everyone listen to Phrentic... you know, because he obviously is more mature then us... you know.. since hes a father at age 20.

[Phrenetic]

you just wait and see! little phrenetic spawns will take over!

[Courtney]

My friend who just got into med school was telling me.....
that on the forms they sign there is a part that states that as an individual going into medicine you have an obligation to let the institution know...but legally you don't have to, and she didn't need to get tested or anything.
So i'm thinkign that the whole confidentiality thing might get in the way of putting this asshole in jail.

[galaxie]

Courtney, that's totally different.
She's not having a sexual relationship with her med school :P At least, I hope not, lol.

[lildonkey]

I talked to Courtney on msn without a firewall... and now i have the internet clap :(

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by galaxie

^ I agree.
Having sex with someone who has an STD that condoms DO protect against is one thing. Having sex with someone with HIV which condoms do NOT protect 100% against is another. I'm not about to put my life on the line like that. Like I said, go ahead, call me selfish - but contracting HIV is not exactly in my life plan, and I think putting yourself in the position of contracting a life-threatening illness by CHOICE is foolish.

I'm not following this line of logic, because condoms do not protect 100% from ANYTHING which includes HIV, ALL STD's and pregnancy. Regardless of whether you are taking precautions or not, there is ALWAYS a risk involved.

[galaxie]

^ The latex itself does protect against all other STDs as long as it doesn't rip. You can use a condom perfectly and still contract HIV. There's a risk anytime, you're right, but getting pregnant =/= almost certain death (just a matter of time with HIV). Honestly, I wouldn't want to have sex with someone who had an STD. I don't want them. Especially the ones that cannot be cured and would affect me on a daily basis for the rest of my life. I already said that you can call me shallow, but I'm protecting myself.

[Courtney]

Originally Posted by galaxie

Courtney, that's totally different.
She's not having a sexual relationship with her med school :P At least, I hope not, lol.

yeah i guess when it comes to sex the confidentiality thing shouldn't be a good argument

THE ONLY WAY TO PROTECT YOUR SELF FROM SEXUAL TRANSMITTED DISEASES, INFECTIONS, OR PREGNANCY 100% IS ABSTINENCE.

It could happen to ANYONE. You risk it every time you have sex. You never know and even your own partner could never know.

Originally Posted by Courtney

My friend who just got into med school was telling me.....
that on the forms they sign there is a part that states that as an individual going into medicine you have an obligation to let the institution know...but legally you don't have to, and she didn't need to get tested or anything.
So i'm thinkign that the whole confidentiality thing might get in the way of putting this asshole in jail.

Did you ever watch that ER episode where one of the nurses was diagnosed with HIV? She wouldn't tell anyone because she was afraid to lose her job, however she was educated and smart enough to take the right precaution. UNLIKE this guy who should have known that having un protected sex could easily transmit the disease.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

THE ONLY WAY TO PROTECT YOUR SELF FROM SEXUAL TRANSMITTED DISEASES, INFECTIONS, OR PREGNANCY 100% IS ABSTINENCE.

It could happen to ANYONE. You risk it every time you have sex. You never know and even your own partner could never know.

quoted.

[Sykonee]

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

THE ONLY WAY TO PROTECT YOUR SELF FROM... OR PREGNANCY 100% IS ABSTINENCE.

Tell that to the Virgin Mary.:P