Religion!!!

[Jen-E-03]

i think its nice for ppl to have somethin to believe in...as long as they dont preach about it to me

[Anjew]

I mean the war that is taking place right now is a holy war right?
every war that takes place - each respected country calls it an act of god or some crap. and these people are willing to blow themselves up for their religious causes.

[SomeGuy]

Originally Posted by sungoo

Yar! damn those Taoist, Confucianists, Buddhists for being so closed minded.

I think everyone who reads your post will understand what you were trying to say, it's just you could have written it more eloquently.

Agreed, but I was super tired when I wrote it :P

Miss Myra: There can be open minded religious people but for me, they are few and far between the others. I went to Church for 5 years I've been friends with tons of Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, Christian/Catholic, Buddhist, Taoist people and I have yet to meet one who would question there religion or seek further truth from there religion than what is written in a basic text/scripture. My point is should you not seek out this truth and if you want to believe it is the truth, should you not verify that it is true? It hasn't been tampered with.

Some of you may believe that I'm not a spiritual person because I am against organized religion but the truth is that I'm quite spiritual in my own way. Which does not involve me gathering at a shrine, temple or church.

Originally Posted by preet

Wear your crutch like a crown.

That is one of the dumbest comments I've ever heard, because any agnostic/atheist person would believe the same is true for religious people.

If you chose to follow a relgion should you not do reasearch on ALL religions and read the dichotomy between the Koran(Qur'An), Holy Bible etc.. and then make your decision based upon what suits you best or what you believe most in? Most religious people become so enclosed in one narrow pathway of religous beliefs that they never open themselves up to the others that surround them. I would be perfectly ok with religious people if they read about all the other religions before they made there choice, but the truth is they don't. This is a big choice should you not be as well informed as possible?

[miss.myra]

I don't see how pigeon holing all religious people makes you any better than a religious person with an ignorant world view that sees things in black and white?

[Clayton.]

I'll start my own religion.

[miss.myra]

I also don't see how your limited interactions with people who follow certain religions allow you to speak on behalf of every person that considers themselves religious?

I can see how yes, what you say does actually apply to some people, but you are using some very strong words that appear to generalize EVERY SINGLE RELIGIOUS PERSON and that I have a serious problem with. If you don't like ignorant, bull headed people that preach their beliefs, that kind of works both ways.

[SomeGuy]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

I also don't see how your limited interactions with people who follow certain religions allow you to speak on behalf of every person that considers themselves religious?

I can see how yes, what you say does actually apply to some people, but you are using some very strong words that appear to generalize EVERY SINGLE RELIGIOUS PERSON and that I have a serious problem with. If you don't like ignorant, bull headed people that preach their beliefs, that kind of works both ways.

I'm not pigeon holing all religious people. I'm just not wording my entire post like it's a socially/politically correct bloody speach. I can reword EVERYTHING so no one get's offended if you'd like? But I thought most people would be able to get what I'm saying without getting offended, I GUESS NOT! I'm not a close minded fool who pigeon holes everyone and yes I realized that someone who is agnostic/atheist or believes in the sciences can be the exact same way as a religious person.
Have you read the teachings of the Kuran, Hsuan Chiao, Hinduism Scripture, Buddhist scripture, Sikh scripture? or were you just raised as a Christian?

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by SomeGuy

Have you read the teachings of the Kuran, Hsuan Chiao, Hinduism Scripture, Buddhist scripture, Sikh scripture? or were you just raised as a Christian?

You mean it's not possible to have done both?

[Rhianna]

Conor, I liked you better when you didn't post.

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by Liam

shamans used plants to cure the ill...

that's callled using the biological plant medicine..aka...science medicine..tell me how words can cure the ill..especially in those big theatres where the priest pushes/punches the people in the face while yelling out "YOU ARE HEALED!!!!" ?

[Joanne]

Originally Posted by Antenna_Boy

that's callled using the biological plant medicine..aka...science medicine..tell me how words can cure the ill..especially in those big theatres where the priest pushes/punches the people in the face while yelling out "YOU ARE HEALED!!!!" ?

ever heard of hypnotism?

the power of suggestion can be stronger than most people think.

--Joanne :P

[(val)Liam]

shamanism is based on spirituality... a lot of these medicines were discovered during "vision quests" and not through actual scientific procedure... this is how religion/spirituality has cured the ill...

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by bananasinpjs

ever heard of hypnotism?

the power of suggestion can be stronger than most people think.

--Joanne :P

I remember believing only once that I was hypnotized. Then I farted and the hypnotist to me to better get off the stage, and then I woke up sitting in a seat within the crowd :) hahahah.

[Psycho_Laughs]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

You mean it's not possible to have done both?

i love you myra!
spawn my offspring?

[interloper]

Why is it a dumb comment? Or perhaps its that you dont have the intellect to properly understand what it means, so to you it seems dumb. It means that RELIGION IS FOR THE WEAK, those who can not delve deep into their mind and body and search for their own purpose of life. Religion is for those who who dare not think outside the box about the existance of humans. Religion is a "crutch" for the weak, which is great for those who are having a rough life, but I sure as hell will not be subjugated to religions hypocrisy.

Thats also a line from a song, much like many of my posts are.

-Preet

Originally Posted by SomeGuy

Agreed, but I was super tired when I wrote it :P

Miss Myra: There can be open minded religious people but for me, they are few and far between the others. I went to Church for 5 years I've been friends with tons of Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, Christian/Catholic, Buddhist, Taoist people and I have yet to meet one who would question there religion or seek further truth from there religion than what is written in a basic text/scripture. My point is should you not seek out this truth and if you want to believe it is the truth, should you not verify that it is true? It hasn't been tampered with.

Some of you may believe that I'm not a spiritual person because I am against organized religion but the truth is that I'm quite spiritual in my own way. Which does not involve me gathering at a shrine, temple or church.


That is one of the dumbest comments I've ever heard, because any agnostic/atheist person would believe the same is true for religious people.

If you chose to follow a relgion should you not do reasearch on ALL religions and read the dichotomy between the Koran(Qur'An), Holy Bible etc.. and then make your decision based upon what suits you best or what you believe most in? Most religious people become so enclosed in one narrow pathway of religous beliefs that they never open themselves up to the others that surround them. I would be perfectly ok with religious people if they read about all the other religions before they made there choice, but the truth is they don't. This is a big choice should you not be as well informed as possible?

[Anjew]

ok i just don't understand why non religious people have to oppress their views.

Honestly let people live their lives. If it makes them feel good about their lives who the hell are you to tell them otherwise. Is it hurting you? Are you mentally scarred? honestly, why do you care?
This thread is sad in one aspect and that is that people are speaking as if they know everything. let me clarify one thing for you guys. YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT. If someone believes in something let them. Is it hurting them or you? no.

you state that religious people are close-minded well religious people could say the exact same for you. 2 diffrent worlds and millions of diffrent views. Let it be.

I say let the thread die. no one's views are going to change from it. Just a whole lot of bickering back and forth.

[(val)Liam]

^^^^ I like this thread... religious debates ALWAYS get people cooking...

[wum]

Originally Posted by interloper

Why is it a dumb comment? Or perhaps its that you dont have the intellect to properly understand what it means, so to you it seems dumb. It means that RELIGION IS FOR THE WEAK, those who can not delve deep into their mind and body and search for their own purpose of life. Religion is for those who who dare not think outside the box about the existance of humans. Religion is a "crutch" for the weak, which is great for those who are having a rough life, but I sure as hell will not be subjugated to religions hypocrisy.

Thats also a line from a song, much like many of my posts are.

-Preet

Religion is high culture. It gives one an ideal to live up and aspire to. It tells us that we are more than just our bodies, but souls as well. Contrast that with today's secular humanism where "man is the measure of all things." Every sexual impulse and bodily function is explored and celebrated as "courageous" and every demur is prudish and oppressed.

Without religion we behave like animals. We worship ourselves and the normalization of all things obscene are suddenly the clarion call to "freedom." Take for the instance the "Vagina Monologues" where at the end of the show the audience is roused to chant the word "cunt" over and over again.

Is this supposed to be "progress" and enlightenment of the female spirit so sought after? Don't be fooled, our Creator is the source of all that is good, and without God's love we are unfinished products, grasping at straws to define an otherwise pointless existence.

[Taddy_Bare]

"Sheep go to heaven
Goats go to hell
Sheep go to heaven
Goats...go to hell"

catchy little ditty that one

[(val)Liam]

wum: I couldn't give you karma for some reason but I have to say that you have the funniest signature I've ever seen on these forums :)

lmao!

[wum]

thanx :)

[interloper]

Ok but let me pose this question - Suppose I believe in a sort of spirituatlity, something other than just that of a body, but I do not believe in a god, or a christ figure or anything like that. Would that be considered religious?

I agree with you that we are behaving like animals but isnt killing innocent people by the thousands barbaric itself?

I agree with your theme, about ascension to becoming a better human. However I think that religion in itself has been one of the catalysts for our barbaric actions. Although your examples are much more social, that is just from a lack of respect and common sense.

Let me ask you this, Have you ever thought of the full repercussions of killing another human? Would you look another human into the eye as you usurped his last breath from him? I think its borderline animal/barbaric how religion pits humans against one another, to the point that each individual is unable to indentify with the other (call them human). Then again, it all depends upon the hands of the preacher. I mean, almost no religions actual scripture preach evil, most of them originate from one another. I just can not be a follower of a religion when they are more hypocritical than George W.

Although,

I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them tumble down
no fault, none to blame it doesn't mean I don't desire to
point the finger, blame the other, watch the temple topple over.
To bring the pieces back together, rediscover communication.


-Preet

Originally Posted by wum

Religion is high culture. It gives one an ideal to live up and aspire to. It tells us that we are more than just our bodies, but souls as well. Contrast that with today's secular humanism where "man is the measure of all things." Every sexual impulse and bodily function is explored and celebrated as "courageous" and every demur is prudish and oppressed.

Without religion we behave like animals. We worship ourselves and the normalization of all things obscene are suddenly the clarion call to "freedom." Take for the instance the "Vagina Monologues" where at the end of the show the audience is roused to chant the word "cunt" over and over again.

Is this supposed to be "progress" and enlightenment of the female spirit so sought after? Don't be fooled, our Creator is the source of all that is good, and without God's love we are unfinished products, grasping at straws to define an otherwise pointless existence.

[lithe]

this is getting to be such a ridiculous conversation.

wum, i'm not entirely sure you're being serious, but nevertheless... although i agree with some of your points, you're carrying them too far. religion is a human construct, a device. when used positively, it does the things you're saying - creates an awareness of a higher purpose that leads to a higher moral and social standard. however, 'secular humanism' is not necessarily anywhere near as barbaric as what you're describing. there is an innate sense of common humanity and personal importance that is conducive to a moral standard that prevents most people from revelling in the basest of animal instincts. maybe they don't call those elements of humanity "souls," but the same idea can go by many other names which fit within a secular mindset - consciousness? mind? personality? individuality? these all imply something beyond a beastly existence, but aren't typically religious either.

and the "normalization of all things obsence" and the celebration of things hitherto hidden may have gone too far in some respects, but these are in response to centuries of oppression of humanity's animal side, rather than a sudden lack of religious sentiment.

interloper, why exactly do you immediately link religion with the barbaric actions of massacre and murder? religion may be a causative factor of some wars, but so too are politics, economics (ressources), rivalry/competition, and tons of other facets of human society. humans don't kill each other because they're religious, they kill each other because they're human, millions of factors come into play. to use a favoured example of Hitler... the Holocaust didn't occur because Hitler was Christian. the reasons behind what is widely perceived to be the most barbaric human undertaking are many, but include: an existing anti-semitic (racial, not religious) sentiment, both socially and politically, rapid industrialization leading to a depression, and a mass influx of Eastern non-assimilated Jews, who created a foreign body in a homogenizing national identity, thereby presenting an easy scapegoating opportunity. wasn't about the religion.

edit: god, i'm such a nerd. sorry for the essay.

[Sniper]

Religion is a joke......if you look back at into history all religion has ever caused people was harm and suffering......the romans persicuted the Christians....the Nazis ersicuted the jews.....and so on.......it's happened all through history with every religion.......I say we just get rid of it before it happens again......Oh wait it already has with Bush against the Iraqis.


*covers head and prepares for assault from everyone*lol

[lithe]

^ )@$()*@$()*@$(*@(*%.

people need to study history, let alone religion, before making those sorts of statements. ugh. why bother.