Hey DTS..... you fuckers

[Cdn_Brdr]

Apparently the guy who might have done it in my building is about as disrespecting as they come... his own mother lives here. Now Ever... call me crazy but isn't it illegal to write almost anywhere? If you paint on the underside of an overpass that's illegal isn't it? I mean where can someone put up their work and have it be legal?

I'm not saying that you shouldn't go out and do it because honestly, I appreciate it as an art form. That's the honest truth. When it comes down to an individual having to pay to have it removed is where I take offence. What do you think the average small business operator in downtown Vancouver has to budget for graf removal? It costs people money and the fact is thet a lot of people don't have the money to spare. Basically what you do for sport to 'keep it real' and to 'get up' hurts others. There really is no other way to look at it.

Some of the best stuff I've seen is on old abandoned buildings or under bridges.... you have to go look for it and I love it. You're really not hurting anyone and you're putting up a great piece of art to be enjoyed by the people who want to take the time to do so. Christ... if anything put it in a public place. It's plenty heaty and obvious and the city ends up paying to have it removed. Now in the long run that costs us money through our taxes but hell.... we have to pay taxes anyways. At least it doesn't come out of my pocket personally.

As for the guy who wrote in my building... other than his dts crap you sure as hell can't tell what else he's trying to write. I looked at it for like 10 minutes and couldn't figure it out. mased, made..... i dunno.

[Clayton.]

Originally Posted by Senior

So if art is done leagally it's not as good?

That's not what i said obveously a piece that was painted durring the day with expensive graffiti spray paint special tips and a permission wall is going to be better art(depending on the writer). But i like illegal work that wasn't painted in a controlled enviroment because that is what graffiti started out as all illegal. You have to be into it to understand i guess.

Ben: I wouldn't say oaph is a kid he's alot older then you think and he does actually have pieceing skill's now.

Pbreak: I actually like hand tags(well some) it's how i started and i know alot of people who can make tags look really good. Lot's is just crap though.

Blunted: Everybody has to start somewhere.

[Clayton.]

cdn_brdr: I agree with you it's a shame private shop owners have to pay so much to have graffiti removed it's actually the law that they have to remive it after a certain amount of time or recieve a fine. Especially now cause alotta kids are useing etching fluid to put in pen's and do tags which burns the tag right into the glass which cannot be cleaned off. I personally avoid private property but many writer's(mostly younger ones) don't care. And that's hurting that that guy would do it on his mother's building but people like that don't last long in most cases and write for the wrong reason's.

I mostly paint abandoned building's, under bridges, or freight train's but there are wall's that are legal to paint on in this city. For example the wall in north van you mentioned is legal and there's another in langley near a high school. There use to be more but the city stopped most of them.

[PwInCeSs]

Originally Posted by Cdn_Brdr

Apparently the guy who might have done it in my building is about as disrespecting as they come... his own mother lives here. Now Ever... call me crazy but isn't it illegal to write almost anywhere? If you paint on the underside of an overpass that's illegal isn't it? I mean where can someone put up their work and have it be legal?

there are very few public places
yes most places they paint are illegal but they are trains or under over passes bridges in tunnels.... sure not legal, but alot more respectful then writing on houses and alot dont do that i think you are putting all writers in to one category.....

[mugsy]

Originally Posted by Ever666

That's not what i said obveously a piece that was painted durring the day with expensive graffiti spray paint special tips and a permission wall is going to be better art(depending on the writer). But i like illegal work that wasn't painted in a controlled enviroment because that is what graffiti started out as all illegal. You have to be into it to understand i guess.

im the girl that got her fence tagged and was pissed about the hospital and hospice being marked up as well.
i JUST started painting, but only stencils and i fucking love it. graffiti is a wonderful thing, if done properly.

and to support ever, one of my favorite artist of all time is basquiet. he brought a sense of graff into the fine art world. he was discovered by warhol when he was selling little paintings for $10 on the street for money for drugs, and warhol found out who he was and where he wrote and scooped up basquiet and made him the artist he was. buddy was actually beat up for signing his tag name on one of the walls he had previously written on because kids didnt believe it was him that did it, he was "too famous" to be a graff artist.

anyways, its all been said in here. tagging is lame if its done on inappropriate places. it is a way to be known in the scene, and is important to the artists. most people dont start in any form of art, as a professional. it takes time. but i cant stress more that that time should NOT be spent on my fence or a hospital or inside someones house. thats just fucking stupid.

[rapeone]

Originally Posted by Cdn_Brdr

Apparently the guy who might have done it in my building is about as disrespecting as they come... his own mother lives here.

k, i so know who did it.. and he wasnt even a part of dts but kept writing it.. and none of us had the heart to tell him to stop cause hes a good friend... so yea..

[Cdn_Brdr]

^Neat.... send him to my house. ;)

Seriously.... I'm not knocking on what y'all do or anything... you can do it all you want, just not on my house. Thats all I ask! I mean goddamn, is that too much to ask!?!?!

[rapeone]

naw man, its not to much to ask.. from me.. i dont do that stupid shit.. it i 'tag' its on like a bus or mail box.. i dont do it on o.p.p... but unfortuantly, i dont have a master controll over anyone else, and i know he can be an idiot.. and well.. thats all i can say in his defence.. lol

Originally Posted by Cdn_Brdr

^Neat.... send him to my house. ;)

Seriously.... I'm not knocking on what y'all do or anything... you can do it all you want, just not on my house. Thats all I ask! I mean goddamn, is that too much to ask!?!?!

[cutienikki]

graf is art, tagging it just stupid and it shows immaturity. If u wanna mark up shit mark up ur own walls with ur lil signatures not other people's.

[Clayton.]

Shut up you don't know what your talking about a hand written tag is just as much graffiti as a piece.....non of you could possibly see where i'm coming from cause you don't know what it is to be a real writer so stop trying to argue.

[cinist]

dts wasup, these kids are my homies

amd cnd border is freind of mine so yall respect one another

[Clayton.]

Don't mean any disrespect but people shouldn't argue about thing's they don't understand.

[rapeone]

i aint be no disrespectin no persons ;D

[-Dubs-]

im gona go with straight up fags, talentless fucks who think they are cool....

[BAL1STOPHER]

wtf u talkin bout dubs?

[Senior]

Originally Posted by Ever666

Don't mean any disrespect but people shouldn't argue about thing's they don't understand.

I understand that you are a part of a sub culture that thinks doing tags everywhere is cool. You start out as a toy and do lots of shity tags everywhere but then after a while you start to get good and get some respect. The point though is that while it seems most people can respect certain aspects of your sub culture (ie the better pieces as long as they are done some where reasonable) doing tags everywhere is not respected. Not that you or people who do it give a fuck but outside of your sub culture those tags are thought of as vandalism and people don't like them. So what don't I understand about tags?

[Cdn_Brdr]

I have to say that Nolan has summed it up pretty well. What I don't understand is why you're still arguin about this? You agreed that doing it on personal property isn't really the way to go as well as the fact that it's a shame that removal of that crap costs people countless amounts of dollars a year.

I said before and I'll say it again.... I could care less what you do just don't do it on my house.

[pbreak]

Originally Posted by Cdn_Brdr

^Neat.... send him to my house. ;)

Seriously.... I'm not knocking on what y'all do or anything... you can do it all you want, just not on my house. Thats all I ask! I mean goddamn, is that too much to ask!?!?!

that's it, for rational requests such as that Shawn I'm afraid I'm gonna have to tag your entire house...

And Ever, just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they don't understand...

[Hota$$]

Originally Posted by Ever666

This thread is funny.


People will always do tags it's called "getting up" it's a part of graff the people doing all the pretty pieces you see are also doing tags cause they are "keeping it real". People who just do legal work on legal wall's and don't bomb are not real graffiti artist's.

Not saying tagging your lobby and people's fences or houses is cool i'm for sure not down with that.

well said..

[BAL1STOPHER]

i dont like how this thread sports DTS in the title .....lets start a new thread for this discussion shall we?

[rapeone]

yea.. or we all can just agree that we all agree that taggin personal property is wrong and then go out and bomb some houses, churches, cars/trucks and what not together..

[pbreak]

^^ hey now, blowing stuff up is a different story... i believe it's actually a god given right - you'll have to check that in the american bible though just to make sure. You don't see them tagging houses in Iraq between it's morally wrong.

[Hota$$]

^^^^ lol bombing in graff terms doesnt mean blowing stuff up....i guess you could say graff has its own lingo...lol

[Bitchin]

Originally Posted by Blunted

Yeah im down for when your doing your art, but bigass ugly block letters that could have been done by a 12 yr old (but they werent...) all over my neighbourhood looks like shit. Im not saying its DTS, its others.

UGH.. I remember when we first started spotting those, Ry. fucking.. theres no talent there wut so ever.. let alone... one of them is on some one property. It's on their 'garage' granted it is a tarp... over a boat, still get some fucking respect.

And I feel for you Shawn, some mother fucker 2 weeks ago Tagged my dad's truck[semi truck] 3 times on the passenger side. But it was just one individual 'Dayz'. and now he's tagged my parents building on the side goin into the underground parking and across the street from thier buildng too, on some ones fence.

Talk about lack of respect.
Then again.. it seems to me a lot of people don't even knwo what respect is.

People like this make me wanna hit them.

#%#$*&$(^%@#$
-J

[Custard]

who are these fucks who tag 'MRC' everywhere?!?!