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Old Oct 15, 07
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Old Oct 15, 07
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All true art is resistance. Graffiti defaces the system and no matter what you do it will continue to grow stronger. When an issue- be it as simple as expression- has the power to go guerrilla you can fight it all you want.. But you won't win.

Ever think of how frustrating you buffing peoples art is? Buffing art and the people who buff it is- "something that really upsets me."
ya you tell'em
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fucking christ..I watched this again, and I seriously wish his mom just had an abortion and got on with her life.
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Old Oct 16, 07
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I buff stuff in my neighbourhood to.
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I like elaborate buffing.
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i am a piece of corn on the cobb. i once went to a bbq, and everyone said so.
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Old Oct 19, 07
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I am kinda on the fence as far as graf goes... I mean some of the pieces I have seen are imaculate and definetely are art. But alot of times you see some fucking single stroke tag and I view that as the equivalent of pissing on a post like a common dog to mark they were there.

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All true art is resistance.
I'm sorry.

Would you explain to me how this is resistance?



That would be Claude Monet's "Lily Pond".

I eagerly await your reply.
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Or is that not "true" art, in your books?

I think it's gorgeous.
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I agree with grapes.


Segued doesn't have a clue.


This is coming straight from a retired "graffiti vandal".

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Actually I think she does have a clue.

I think she needs to dig a bit deeper.
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If she'd said:

"All true art is beauty, resistance, or some combination thereof"

I would've been hard pressed to disagree.

But maybe that's not as cute a soundbite?
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If you know anything about Monet, he was to take over the family business...but resisted. He became an artist. He also started his own movement called French Impressionism. Why did he start his own movement? Because he saw that every one else around him was just copying past great artists...so he RESISTED...and came up with something new.

The end.

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Old Oct 20, 07
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If you want to graffiti something. Graffiti your own house all you want. Leave other peoples shit alone. I don't care how much you like it or think its artistic and a freedom of expression. Its not your shit to go around covering in multi colored paint, that may look good sometimes, but often is just completely out of place and does not compliment the object it is on. Its vandalism, its annoying, and its stubbornness for graff-heads to bitch and complain that they have a right to spray paint everyone else's shit because its "art". Doesn't really matter bud. An artist doesn't draw a beautiful cascade of images on an ugly brick wall of an old building without asking first.

PS.

What the hell do you think your resisting anyways? By spray painting someones wall you are what? Resisting manners and social rules of behavior? Or do you think because you spray painted my newly stained brown fence with some hideously large tag, that you are resisting artist oppression by the government? Or something along the lines of resisting government imposed social behavior chains?

Please, save it for payed advertising after 1 am on weeknights.

PPS.

I dont have any problems with graffiti if the owner of the property is fine with it being there. Nicely decorated buildings and random street side objects like transformer boxes ect actually look pretty cool when artistically graffitied. However the other 99 of the 100 or so randomly sprayed on tags look retarted.

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I do agree with you that alot of the graff heads are stubborn as hell (alot of them are eccentric junkies too)...
I agree with you that you shouldnt be taggin on peoples houses...
When I used to write, I only did so on public property or mainly advertisements belonging to large corps. ..so If I was resisting anything it was being bombarded by all these people trying to sell me shit.
Trust me dude.....I see your frustration...
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If you know anything about Monet, he was to take over the family business...but resisted. He became an artist. He also started his own movement called French Impressionism. Why did he start his own movement? Because he saw that every one else around him was just copying past great artists...so he RESISTED...and came up with something new.

The end.
That's actually a really good answer, and as I was searching for a Monet pic I was thinking to myself "hmm actually weren't the impressionists a revolutoinary breed that totally went against the grain of their era's status quo? I wonder if anyone is going to call me on this shit"

So kudos man.

BUT

I maintain my original stance that art can be beautiful, moving, and "true art" without resistance.

For instance, there is beauty in the acceptance and acknowledgement of our ultimate insignicance and transitive nature in the great scope of things. A theme that would seem the very antithesis of resistance.. and yet, would you tell an artist trying to capture this essence that he or she wasn't creating true art??
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I guess you can never really tell if it is resistance or not. Art has millions of meanings. To some art is therapy....others its a statement...Whatever it may be, I know that one thing is for sure "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". I dont think anyone has the right to tell anyone else that its good, or that is bad, fact. We will allways have our individual opinions on beauty. I know that some people cant understand why people bomb..and never will because they havnt taken time to study the movement. ...ah fuck Im rambling...
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Old Oct 20, 07
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All true art is resistance. Graffiti defaces the system and no matter what you do it will continue to grow stronger. When an issue- be it as simple as expression- has the power to go guerrilla you can fight it all you want.. But you won't win.

Ever think of how frustrating you buffing peoples art is? Buffing art and the people who buff it is- "something that really upsets me."
ya you tell'em
That was quoted from the thread I posted and I said "ya you tell em".
Did any one actually LOOK at the link?
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Old Oct 20, 07
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I agree with grapes.


Segued doesn't have a clue.


This is coming straight from a retired "graffiti vandal".

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what's graffiti?
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Old Oct 20, 07
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Grapes, would the answer be that impressionism was a response to realism? It was generally marginalized by the dominant institutions at the time for going against the grain and it's style was able to capture the ephemeral experience.
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