How Important = clipping in cubase?

[Goodfellow]

^^ Also gotta love the people who criticize your work, when they've never even put a track together themselves.

[dj_soo]

^ meh - i don't produce but I can tell you if i think a song sucks or not.

[Digital Over]

Originally Posted by clevich

limiters are your friend.

yup. +1 x 100000 to that. Also ontop of EQ'ing like mad in your tune, Multipressors are fantastic for getting certain frequencies come thru your mix a little more than others. The Waves Bundles tend to have some great tools for that. :)

[Goodfellow]

It wasn't directed at you personally. I don't mind "constructive critism" at all, infact I appreciate it. I just meant haters.

[Goodfellow]

And yes digi over the waves bundle is pretty much my hero. I use akai for multi band compression though, and izotope vinyl shit for the other mastering.

[dj_soo]

^ I know it wasn't at me. I just get annoyed at people who claim "you don't do x yourself so you have no call to criticize"

Music especially - you might have put a lot of work into a song but if I don't like it, i'm not going to like it. You don't get an "A for effort" in subjective criticism.

[Goodfellow]

Ya still didn't get what I was sayin, it's all good though.

So anyway. Dammit I had another question but I forget, Ill try to remember.

[oddmud]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

^ I also love seeing guys with a handful of tracks signed in a niche genre and their superior and smug attitudes.

maybe you could contribute to the discussion rather than acting all high and mighty.

Obviously you don't know me at all. :)

That's who I am. Smug, and full of attitude.

I wouldn't call 15+ releases a handful either, and I'm not one thinking I'm all high and mighty though, it's Jeff who's got us to where we are today. Without him I'm pretty much useless. I just love to see all these guys act like they know EXACTLY how it should be. I didn't say I knew more.

PS: Any electronic music is pretty much niche.

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by influenza

Obviously you don't know me at all.

That's who I am. Smug, and full of attitude.

oh i know - i'm still going to call you on it.

Originally Posted by influenza

I wouldn't call 15+ releases a handful either,

i would - especially considering a chunk of those are on your own internet label.

Originally Posted by influenza

and I'm not one thinking I'm all high and mighty though, it's Jeff who's got us to where we are today. Without him I'm pretty much useless.

no comment. I'll just say that you don't see jeff coming in acting superior. When he comments on production technique, he actually gives real advice rather than being a douche.

Originally Posted by influenza

I just love to see all these guys act like they know EXACTLY how it should be. I didn't say I knew more.

you know what? Dabbler said the exact same thing and actually gave useful advice on that matter. Really not that hard is it?

I get it - you have some tracks released, you played at Fabric, and you've won an award or two. Sure you should be proud of your accomplishments, but how bout you actually share some of your experience to people wanting to learn rather than being a dick about it. Some people aren't lucky enough to be mentored by someone like Psidream.

[oddmud]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

oh i know - i'm still going to call you on it.

Good for you, so you can now become the "dick".

Originally Posted by dj_soo

i would - especially considering a chunk of those are on your own internet label.

We're a vinyl label, get with the times. ;)

Originally Posted by dj_soo

no comment. I'll just say that you don't see jeff coming in acting superior. When he comments on production technique, he actually gives real advice rather than being a douche.

i wasn't acting high and mighty, i just made a comment how i liked something. i never once said anything about me being anything better. you're making assumptions.

Originally Posted by dj_soo

you know what? Dabbler said the exact same thing and actually gave useful advice on that matter. Really not that hard is it?

maybe it's cause i have two jobs, and run a label, and don't have a lot of time explaining things? naw, that's not a good excuse, cause i have enough time to write this.... uhm, maybe i didn't feel like it.

Originally Posted by dj_soo

I get it - you have some tracks released, you played at Fabric, and you've won an award or two. Sure you should be proud of your accomplishments, but how bout you actually share some of your experience to people wanting to learn rather than being a dick about it. Some people aren't lucky enough to be mentored by someone like Psidream.

i love how you're telling me how i should act. you're not me, you don't know me, and you don't have a right to do so. i love how offended you got by the word bedroom producers... dude, since you're telling me what i should do, i think maybe you should chill the fuck out.

[oddmud]

lol, i didn't even realize this was you mofo-x! HAHAHAHAH

in that case, go fuck yourself foo! i mean soo.. ;)

[P.A.R.T.Y]

15 trax is pretty good, but since I've never heard your trax, I can't say how good those tracks are produced. Let alone, you won't share any filter tips, useful plug-ins, and are here to pass on attitude, does nothing for other producers who have 10 songs ready for the market.

[Goodfellow]

I love how every thread on fnk has to become such an ego shitshow. It's entertaining at least!

[psidream]

clipping occurs in every single one of my tunes... don't see a problem with it as long as you are aware of how much it's clipping and how that affects the end result of the track.

i'm not as familiar with cubase as i am with logic, as i've only started using sx3 for the past few months (best thing i ever did), but in logic you could get away with about 3db, give or take, of clipping and still have it sound good. in fact, i often found that clipping in logic would add some dirt to the sound that made it sound BETTER, and not digitally distorted.

cubase seems to have better sound quality overall, and i have had things in the reds in cubase and had it sound fine.

often i use an eq plugin called eqium to do bandpass sweeps on sounds, and i've found that when i load that plugin up, the master on the plugin will automatically put things into the reds - it's good to watch it, but at the same time, when sweeping across the eq, it will keep some frequencies from jumping out quite as much.

sometimes i will take a beat, clip it really really hard, cut the lows, resample, limit it harder, resample again, and then put that overtop of the other beats, and it adds a good full percussive texture (sometimes it doesn't sound good though).

dabbler's right, trust your ears.... but that sort of thing takes some time to tune your ears to.

often, when finalizing the mp3 to pass out to dj's (i would never do this on the final wav), i will do a little eq, maybe a little compressing or limiting, and then just gain it thru the reds until it's just before i can hear it distorting. this has proven to be a simple yet effective way to get my tunes loud enough, and it hasn't caused any issues in the area of dj support.

basically clipping is useful, and shouldn't be completely ruled out.

except for dj's - keep that shit out of the reds =)

[swytch]

Originally Posted by Goodfellow

another thing, what do you guys use for filtering?

the only filter thingys I have so far are "filterVST" which is pretty good and GuitarRig which filters synth into guitar .. what are sum names of good filter plugins anyone know?

ummm... why don't you try automating an eg, definately works wonder
for filtering... ;)

TC probably gets away with clipping his shit to death cause of
outboard preamps/compressors. Hasn't that always been a part of
the valve sound, is great preamps/compressors and a 2inch machine of some sort.

I know for a fact that a lot of producers clip inside say reason
while their rewiring, as long as you leave headroom on your master fader
for vinyl mastering engineers to do their thing it's ok.
All tunes i submit to be vinyl mastered have to have 2 versions,
a unlimited version and then a version that is the digital master the
artist intends it to sound like. This gives a lot of room for the loud ass
master that goes to vinyl.

nice thread.

[swytch]

logic pro vs cubase 3....

now that is a battle!