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Jan 18, 06
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suffering depression from E
for the past one month, i've been dropping a total of 3~4 e on ONE single night every weekend (sat-drop/sun-rest) so around 12 to 16 in month.
before i was dropping 3~4 e in one night. and i don't drop more than twice a month. just once, sometimes two months. just 2 days since the last time i dropped... i suffered depression big time. everyone (including my friends) says i've changed, i get annoyed/mad for random reason, even when just having a conversation. looks like i wont be dropping e much anymore. Last edited by PsyTrance4Life; Jan 18, 06 at 05:42 AM. 
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Jan 18, 06
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not doing drugs anymore should have been your FIRST idea. 3-4 caps a weekend? expensive habit. much anymore? if you are having serious emotional issues, you're a fucking moron if you keep using.
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Jan 18, 06
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to late, damage is done, just hope you dont make it worse, stop now, ther eya go
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Jan 18, 06
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Been there probably 1000 times. This is what you do:
Get lots of sleep(no more then 8 hrs a night) Eat healthy Multivitamen's(1 a day) Buy some 5-HTP from the Body nutrition store(take 1 in the morning, 1 before bed) Go for walks and try to exercise. Drink Green tea That and anything else healthy you can think of will clear you up pretty nicely. Oh and not abusing drugs might help too lol ;)
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Jan 18, 06
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first of all, let me be the first to say that you're an idiot for doing that much e
let me get this straight though, last 3 to 5 weekends (lets call it 4 since i guess the e has melted away your memory) you popped 3-4 EACH NIGHT? 4x4= 16, 16 caps in one month, SOUNDS LIKE A HEALTHY DOSE yeah i would lay off all drug use until you grow up and learn to use recreational drugs properly, youre giving drug users a bad name ps: your username fits your perfect fake edit: is there a possibility that "each night" meant 3-4 pills twice a weekend? i cant possibly fathom ANYONE doing this so im giving etard the benefit of the doubt edit: seriously though, are you on any MAOIs or SSRIs? you should know that anti-depressants react badly with mdma, doing everything from nullifying the effect to causing seratonin syndrome Last edited by ja_raul; Jan 18, 06 at 02:46 AM.
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Jan 18, 06
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YO E! Listen up:
Regretably my past abuse of Exctacy is still biting me in the ass today. I am one of a community that are really somewhat firsts for long term exctacy use in this province as i fit in that age category of 27, and started using in the early ninties. From being somewhat of a guinea pig, my doctors and shrinks are learning from me and others like me, that as a result of consistant artificially increased production in our brain of specific chemicals, specific synaptic ends are literally "burned out" Im no neurosurgeon, or doctor phil, but needless to say, long term, excessive use (like most drugs) will in simple terms FUCK YOU UP. So just think about this from time to time, when your out on an extended, excessive bender. It may sound a tad hypocritical, but there is a method to the madness of drug taking. Realistically (and ill debate this with anyone) Not too much happens after the first two pills - your body can only produce so much seratonin, so your either running off whatever other ingredients said pill has been cut with, or its somewhat of a placebo, in that your basically kidding yourself. I like what 'Cyph had to say (he is a smarty pants afterall!) Turning your "downtime" into a more productive series of activities, and self care rituals, will negate some of the expected withdrawl pains. It got to the point in my exctacy use (amonst many others) that i had an aftercare regiment - that involved suplements, hanging with good people, excercise, natural ingredients and lots of rest. Most of the time, i failed at completing these rituals. However, i think at the very minimum, you should cut your intake down drastically. Your setting yourself up for situations that can easily spiral out of control. Just believe me, when i say i do know what im talking about. A little moderation now, will save you an eternity of heartache, therapy, rehab, conflict, emotional and physical pain, later in life. I used to call my old diet the "breakfast of champions" it consisted of paxils, jager, cocaine/crack, exctacy and a nice merlot to nurse, and it was already far too late, when i started to question if perhaps i needed to slow down. I had to do it the hardway, and will continue to do so for the rest of my life. I aint trying to be your dad, mate, i just wanted to pass on some friendly advice about something that could turn into anything but. keep yer head up pc + ez
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Jan 18, 06
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to bad damage from e is virtually perminant
only thing i can sujest is drink lotsa juice and eat lots of fruits, exercize (like mentioned b4), and try be opomistic and realize how good ya got it oh and don't stay inside for days on end that'll depress anybody say hello to reduced receptor protiens :)
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Jan 18, 06
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I doubt that he's gonna listen.....................So I suggest hmmm what kind of e are you doing, like what color/symbol, its most likely filled with shit and that's what making you feel like shit, try using some pure mdma gel caps, you should be as high as a kite on one or two.
I used to do e like crazy to, like 6 caps at per rave, sometimes me and a bunch of friends would chill at my place throw parties and drop e like crazy. I remember going through 100 pills in a weekend between like 4 - 5 people (yes that's 20 - 25 caps in one weekend) and drinking like crazy, there wasn't a time that there wasn't booze in our cups, must of went through 6 - 8 bottles. Did that twice, I had my crazy days with e. After doing so much you feel like shit, so the best thing to do is stop for a while. Ever tryed yayo, betcha will now, lol. I tryed yayo at first I didn't think I was addicted and kept telling myself that I wasn't, but I was. Then one time I did e, must of been cut with some shit jib and lots of it, cause I got so paranoid and tripped out so bad. I felt like shit afterwards and embarrassed. Damn drugs, I'm done I think, hopefully I'm done, lol. Just stay away from doing that much e dude, seriously its not healthy. Keep yourself busy, so you don't think about doing it. Last edited by Two_Six; Jan 18, 06 at 05:36 AM.
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Jan 18, 06
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edited first post
i forgot to mention, i drop a total of 3~4 caps in one night on weekends and i only had been doing this for a month. so i'd guess around 12 to 16 caps in one month. before it was a total of 3~4 caps a night in a month or two i took two 5htp after rave. and the day after. did seem to make my body feel better but the depression is still there. this is the second time it happened. i FINALLY learnt my lesson. Last edited by PsyTrance4Life; Jan 18, 06 at 05:43 AM.
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Jan 18, 06
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The 5-htp is supposed to be used as a supplement. Your supposed to abstain from using E and continue taking the 5-htp, as well as various other health methods i mentioned, for a month or 2. Then stop the 5-htp and just continue living healthy. Your depression should disappear within 2-3 weeks of doing this and you should feel even better and energetic after the month or 2.
It is important to note that you shouldn't view this as some sort of boot camp regiment with the goal of getting really high after you fix yourself lol. If you continously use drugs for weeks on end it can turn into 3-5 day binges. If you stop and do the health regiment just to get really high again over and over again then your just going to burn out and end up Bipolar. Believe me, it's not a fun feeling to be EXTREMELY happy one moment then instantly and unbearable sad the next. If you feel the need to get high save it for a special occasion, use moderation, and try and put months in between your use, not weeks.
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Jan 18, 06
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Jan 18, 06
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Thank youself for quitting with that shit.. heres my two cents... explains both how it works... and some SIDE EFFECTS ALLOT OF PEOPLE DONT KNOW ABOUT! Imagine your brain like a cup of water... Water = Serotonin Cup = Brain When you pop an E... your pretty much sending a signal to your brain to dump that water out...cause the water (serotonin) is the real magic in the high (becuase serotonin regulates your mood... the more serotonin cells floating in the head...the more happy you are...which in part makes your pupils big, mainly cuase the brain is tricked into "LOVING" everything... thats why people explain their trip to be "Lovey Dovey"...) the fact that its in the amphetamine familiy also triggers those dollar sized pupils. The chemical MDMA itsself doesnt do much (but it adds to the effects). The brain takes 15 months to replenish the original supply of serotonin that has been lost (depending on the damage too... becuase MDMA...the chemical its self causes "Neurotoxins" that litteraly eat away at the brain like battery acid 'sad but true'...so if you burned your receptors and the area were you produce the happy juice too much... youll only get back 75% of it... and 75% is what youll get for the rest of ur life...) and if your production of serotonin is fucked... so are the receptors that take each serotonin cell and suck the magic out of it... Excessive use will cause LITTERAL BRAIN DAMAGE... For those who feel stupid from the drugs... you arent... you just dont have that serotonin to make you feel good about yourself... blame yourself for that one.... those 10 pills you ate at the rave and bragged to everyone about... they reduced your serotonin productivity rate to 50%... and 50% is the max you can achieve... receptors and the area in the brain that makes serotonin DOESNT GROW BACK!!! You only get older... so the body wont bother to "Re-Grow" that space in the brain... chances are most of the E is consumed by 15-30 year olds... thats the age that the brain stops developing (and only ADDs to its knowledge) and the body starts growing...aka puberty, ending puberty, aging into a 30+ adult. NO RECEPTORS, NO SEROTONIN = NO HIGH, NO EMOTION... (if you also fucked ur heads ability to make serotonin... same shit as the above statement) Soon enough chemists started to add a little bit of this and a little bit of that to "enchance" the high. Then after that trend started... E became a "Designer" drug. Then chemists started to put larger doses of shit in the pills... now all pressed pills contain large amounts of FILLERS and FOOD COLORING (to keep those caps nice and colorful), BINDERS (to keep the pills in pill form and from crumbling...) Up to 100mg of MDMA...and up to 100 mg of any combination of... Crack, Coke, Heroine (used mostly as a filler becuase such small amounts wont affect a person much), Speed, K, Rat Poison (if they wished). That means only a 30-50% chunk of the pill that you consume is MDMA... the rest is speed to keep you up, because MDMA... doesnt alter with your ability to eat or sleep.... i ate a full dinner on pure MDMA before... MOST AMAZING THING EVER! But that wont be happening again... E is too dangerous on the mind. After the 2nd cap... all the water is gone (going back to my metaphor) face it.. ITS GONE...U CAN EAT ALL THE MDMA IN THE WORLD and you wont get as high as before, or until you wait and let the brain remake serotonin to dump into the brain again. (Sorta explains why people always say "First time is always the best..." becuase your brain is 100% functional with the production of serotonin.) Then anything eaten after the 3rd pill adds to the following: Neurotoxin Levels in the head... for every pill... imagine a glob of acidic spit put into your brain... More Jib to give you that "feeling" of getting more high...when really.. your just getting high off of speed...better yet.. go do some lines of jib..itll get you equally fucked up... and it wont add as many neurotoxins in the head.. I used to think all those drug talks in school were wrong, that the side effects they stated were JUST TO SCARE US FROM DOING THEM... til i did some studying on my own and discovered even worse effects... Imagine the people that consume 5+ caps weekly... Imagine the people that consume 100+ caps a year... Their brains wont be able to make serotonin at all.. hence why most E-Tards are... like lifeless retards... the excess depletion of serotonin and HELLA amount of cubic centimetres of neurotoxins still in the head eating at the brain slowly. Last edited by BenGiovanni; Jan 18, 06 at 09:16 AM.
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Jan 19, 06
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never been there. the worst i've ever done is about... 3 pills in one weekend, 4 pills in one month (two seperate occasions).
the nicest thing about having been a raver for 6 years before doing e is that i got to watch people fuck themselves over and i learnt not to make the same mistakes. MODERATION IS KEY KIDS.
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Jan 19, 06
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i was in this same situation about two years ago. just to give you perspective, i popped e, among other things, every weekend for around 1-1.5 years.
coming from someone who has a obsession with always being in control, i found that no matter how much i tried to keep my e use in check, it ended up creeping up on me unexpectedly. it's key that you can step back and check yourself right now. regardless from what has been said in this thread, the damage done is not always permanent. although reletively short, my drug use was quite excessive and for a chunk of time, on a daily basis. and suprisingly, i am unarguably happier and more sucessful now than i was before i started experimenting with drugs. i still do some drugs from time to time, and to my benefit, after heavy drug use i now have a very clear idea on what my boundries are. just remember that things will get better with time. if you resign yourself to the fact that things are permanent and wont change, then chances are they wont. at the risk of sounding cliche, the power of having a positive mindset is suprisingly quite strong.
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Jan 19, 06
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i think im kida in the same boat. except instead of frequently doing it i do a lot at once. Id rather not say how much.. but lets just say when i get going, im like a freight train... hard to slow down, and i pretty much stay on the track infront of me. If that makes sence to anyone.
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Jan 19, 06
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Bozga is spreading misinformation. There is no coke, crack or heroin in E pills.
Only drugs that have ever been found in E are as follows: Ketamine PCP Ephedrine Caffeine DXM(dangerous, caused deaths) PMA(dangerous, caused deaths) 2C-I 2C-B Meth/speed/jib MDMA/MDA/MDE I'm sure there are a few to add. Not positive but i'm sure some pills have contained rytalin and dexadrine. It's a combination of these drugs which will cause the hallucinations, body highs, up's, down's, eye wiggles and whatever other crap that you experience while high. They are all cost affective which makes them suitable to be used. I don't think anyone uses PMA anymore because of the horrible side affects that were found to kill people. DXM and the fact that it prevented you from being able to sweat and that 1 in 5 people lack the enzyme which breaks down DXM into DXO in the body allowing the drug to recycle in the body. This causes the person to get way higher then other people on the same dose. Last pills i knew which had DXM in them were Off white, slightly purple Spiders that were around about three years ago. Bad shit. You probably won't find 2C-B in any pills since it's hard to make and when it is found, it's kept to the people who found it.
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Jan 19, 06
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So too much e causes brain damage right? Must be alot of e, like a hell of alot of e, cause let me tell you I popped alot of caps back in the day. And I'm perfectly fine, I was able to quit all that shit and got a great job, am as happy as I ever been.
Everyone thinks their the expert at everything, can I see a degree, no that's right you don't have one. You aren't a doctor nor a teacher. Lecturing is pointless, he's not a dumbass, he know's what he's doing. Hell we all make misstakes and do too many drugs, big deal, then we all grow up and realize how stupid we were. Etard, just have your fun with them, but realize that that shit is bad for you, depression sucks man. You don't want it to develop into some crazy shit like anxiety, bipolar, or whatever disease. If you wanna have fun stick to drinking and smoking weed. But hey its your life and my opinion, do whatever you think is right, its your life.
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