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Old Mar 30, 06
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in your opinion.
In common sense. Every drug is different and not all of them are bad for you. That is a universal fact.
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Did you know that your brain actually has naturally occurring cannabanoid receptors in your brain? That means cannabis doesn't physically change your mind. It uses pathways that are already there. Why? Because your body actually produced cannabanoids when you were born. Cannabanoids allowed you to become hungry for food for the first time (a study in mice found that when the receptors were removed a few weeks after birth, nothing much happened but when they were removed shortly after birth, the mice starved to death). The depth of this means your body produces naturally occurring (and sometimes illegal) drugs. This kind of information is exactly the reason why you should research drugs and not just hide from them and call them names.

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Old Mar 30, 06
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In common sense. Every drug is different and not all of them are bad for you. That is a universal fact.
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Did you know that your brain actually has naturally occurring cannabanoid receptors in your brain? That means cannabis doesn't physically change your mind. It uses pathways that are already there. Why? Because your body actually produced cannabanoids when you were born. Cannabanoids allowed you to become hungry for food for the first time (a study in mice found that when the receptors were removed a few weeks after birth, nothing much happened but when they were removed shortly after birth, the mice starved to death). The depth of this means your body produces naturally occurring (and sometimes illegal) drugs. This kind of information is exactly the reason why you should research drugs and not just hide from them and call them names.
so because the baby mice starved you're saying we can smoke pot?
come on buddy.
i don't smoke pot anymore because i suddenly developed paranoia from it.
didn't stop me from becoming a jib tech.
you're preaching to the choir.
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Old Mar 30, 06
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Watch the video in my profile. That guy seemed to think it was "the best shit ever." Still kinda scary watching him do it but he had a couple sitters there to make sure he didn't break anything. That's key. You need at least one person there who you trust and who is reasonably sober...then grip it and rip it. It's a natural plant so it's practically good for you: no synthetics required.

Personally, I've done it a few times. It's scary as shit but for some reason you want to do it again. Totally harmless, in any case. Plus, I believe I have a much better understanding of mental disorders like schizophrenia now.
okayee.... mabye i DONT wanna try it
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so because the baby mice starved you're saying we can smoke pot?
come on buddy.
i don't smoke pot anymore because i suddenly developed paranoia from it.
didn't stop me from becoming a jib tech.
you're preaching to the choir.
you're cutting it a little extreme, aren't you? I mean, yeah, baby mice starved to death. . but that's not what the study proved. They're not saying "oh, the baby mice starved. . . I guess we can smoke pot!" There's scientific reasoning behind what Mangle is trying to say.

What he's trying to say is that when we're born, our body naturally produces cannabanoids. This means that our bodies are born and experience some (or all) of the same effects you induce when you smoke grass. If we're born with cannabanoids in our body then how can marijuana be damaging?

As for your paranoia. . again, like he said, "That means cannabis doesn't physically change your mind. It uses pathways that are already there." So, with this being true, marijuana did not make you paranoid. It was already in your head. I'm constantly surrounded by long-term, habitual stoners who never experience paranoia. I firmly believe that any stoner that becomes overly paranoid is bringing it on to themselves. I've never once been paranoid and I've spent almost the whole of the last 6 years stoned.

As for becoming a techwarrior. . that has no relevance to the discussion, now does it?
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you're cutting it a little extreme, aren't you? I mean, yeah, baby mice starved to death. . but that's not what the study proved. They're not saying "oh, the baby mice starved. . . I guess we can smoke pot!" There's scientific reasoning behind what Mangle is trying to say.

What he's trying to say is that when we're born, our body naturally produces cannabanoids. This means that our bodies are born and experience some (or all) of the same effects you induce when you smoke grass. If we're born with cannabanoids in our body then how can marijuana be damaging?

As for your paranoia. . again, like he said, "That means cannabis doesn't physically change your mind. It uses pathways that are already there." So, with this being true, marijuana did not make you paranoid. It was already in your head. I'm constantly surrounded by long-term, habitual stoners who never experience paranoia. I firmly believe that any stoner that becomes overly paranoid is bringing it on to themselves. I've never once been paranoid and I've spent almost the whole of the last 6 years stoned.

As for becoming a techwarrior. . that has no relevance to the discussion, now does it?
correction.
past jib tech warrior.

i concede that i (for unknown reasons) brought on my paranoia.

it's an example on how THC gave me paranoia and yet jib didn't.

and i never said that THC was damaging.
infact, i was going to write about how it was an exception to the rule. but then i remembered that with drugs THERE ARE NO RULES.
therefore there are no exceptions.

doesn't make sense.
but that's brain chemistry for you.

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Be careful with salvia, it's a very powerful drug.
^speaks the truth

I dabbled with this stuff a couple years ago...
The only times the people i was with did not feel the effects was because they refused to hold the smoke in long enough.

I did it several times, but only one time and one method proved the most effective.....

I "sink hooted" 3 fat bowls of dried leaves.. and it took me to a place that was broken down into the most basic of structure. Everything seemed 2dimensional and ultra simplified; i felt incredibly vulnerable to the rest of the universe. Everything just seemed like squares and empty flatness, that was all i could think.
I shouted at my friends "DONT STEAL MY SQUARES" as i frantically gripped the contents of my pockets; fearing that I had been poisoned so these people could steal from me and let me rot in this hellish rectangular void for eternity.... When i started coming down to earth, there were these shiny little blue-ish squares dripping and shooting off of everything in my field of vision. My hands were dripping little sparkly squares until the effects began to subside.

....and that was just from some high quality leaves!

After that experience, I'm a little aprehensive about trying salvia extract.
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Old Mar 30, 06
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all these drugs are played out.

i can't wait for nuke to come out.
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Old Mar 30, 06
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i plan to try

-special K
-GHB

those are the only two im interested in that are new 2 me
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btw , isn't it pretty well known that pot can trigger different forms of psychosis?
To all the little teeny boppers in pot denial,
You think any of those old timers who have been smoking the stuff their whole life are going to be merrily discussing their pot psychosis with you in the cypher?
I don't know any potsmokers who sit around in a cypher, sparking blunts, and talkin about how they're beloved substance has actually altered their life for the negative. That stuff just doesnt come to mind when yer high and listening to hendrix.

man i love smoking pot. I use it for all sorts of different reasons.
But the truth is, it can and will effect people for the worse in many different ways. If you smoke pot and you can't admit that it's probably not the best thing a person could be doing, yer a fucking tool.
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Old Mar 30, 06
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i plan to try

-special K
-GHB

those are the only two im interested in that are new 2 me
hot tip

do those two in a controlled environment. AKA your house, or friends house. somewhere safe.
k isn't as bad if you know what you're doing.
but i don't want to relive the fireworks episode with G last year.
paramedics.
bad scene.
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Old Mar 30, 06
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btw , isn't it pretty well known that pot can trigger different forms of psychosis?
Hmmmm, please explain this, and provide where you got your info from please.
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Old Mar 30, 06
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aren't the dangers of drugs somewhat universal?
you play with fire you get burned to varying degrees depending on the chemicals you play with.
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i never said that THC was damaging.
infact, i was going to write about how it was an exception to the rule. but then i remembered that with drugs THERE ARE NO RULES.
therefore there are no exceptions.
Make up your mind. Are the dangers of drugs universal or are there no rules?
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Old Mar 30, 06
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k isn't as bad if you know what you're doing.
in my experience, you never know what you're doing when you're on K. but maybe that's just me. It's a great rave drug though, if sensible conversation isn't on your agenda.
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Hmmmm, please explain this, and provide where you got your info from please.
Say for people who have schizophrenia or other illnesses in their family, pot can trigger the disease, or intesifty the severity of it. That seems like common sense to me doesn't it?
But To be honest I have no idea if its marijuana alone because I think it is safe to say that alot of people who smoke may have also messed wit other drugs.
Im not just regurgitating propoganda if thats what you think. Whenever I talk about serious subjects like drugs, I prefer to speak from my own experiences and what I have witnessed first hand. Let's leave it at that man.

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Old Mar 31, 06
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Say for people who have schizophrenia or other illnesses in their family, pot can trigger the disease, or intesifty the severity of it. That seems like common sense to me doesn't it?
Sounds like the common cold to me. Who doesn't have mental illness in their family these days? But who's got the patent to the cure, that's the real question. Money talks.
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Say for people who have schizophrenia or other illnesses in their family, pot can trigger the disease, or intesifty the severity of it. That seems like common sense to me doesn't it?
but doesn't the fact that the mental illness may have already been present, due hereditary family illness just strengthen the fact that grass only utilizes pathways that are already there?

If there's mental illness in your family, and there's a good chance you may have it. . you probably shouldn't use any mind altering substances at all, no matter how tame. Or at least not blame the drug.

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but doesn't the fact that the mental illness may have already been present, due hereditary family illness just strengthen the fact that grass only utilizes pathways that are already there?

that sounds quite possible, i never argued that.

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If there's mental illness in your family, and there's a good chance you may have it. . you probably shouldn't use any mind altering substances at all, no matter how tame. Or at least not blame the drug.
thats true. but not all people know their family's mental health history until they've already done alot of drugs. It seems like people don't start becoming concerned about their own mental health until they actually have something to be concerned about.
But if it is the drug that triggered the early onset, or increased intensity of whatever illness, why can't the person blame drugs? I think they are well within their rights. For all you know, the illness may not have set in until the person was a senior citizen, or never have set in at all!
Considering so many people have varying degrees of mental illness in their families, I don't think its wise to claim that marijuana doesnt cause paranoia etc.
cuz Altho pot may not have been the number one reason why a person would experience paranoia or other symptoms, you cannot deny that it may play a pretty important part.

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Sounds like the common cold to me. Who doesn't have mental illness in their family these days? But who's got the patent to the cure, that's the real question. Money talks.
your posts always lead to more questions....
like
"what the fuck is mangle going on about?"
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It's a common philosophy, oddly enough, but deciding which drugs are okay for you to try based on how "natural" they are isn't a very logical thing to do. Would you eat datura straight off the tree instead of blotter acid? There are many "natural" drugs that will fuck you up, and some "unnatural" ones that cause absolutely no chronic physiological or neurological damage.

To all the people having troubles breaking through on Salvia: Try using a torch lighter next time. Salvinorin A becomes active at a much higher temperature than THC. It's possible to do it with a bic, although it never worked for me. First try with a decent torch lighter worked fabulously. Also it's been said already, but take as large of a hit as you can and hold it for as long as you can stand to, even if it tastes like ass.
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you make good points but. . .

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cuz Altho pot may not have been the number one reason why a person would experience paranoia or other symptoms, you cannot deny that it may play a pretty important part.
couldn't a significant other cheating on the person, or someone breaking into their house cause the same paranoia? Maybe anything could trigger it, ganja included. It's all a guessing game. Something that you can't really label on marijuana without proven scientific research.
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It's a common philosophy, oddly enough, but deciding which drugs are okay for you to try based on how "natural" they are isn't a very logical thing to do. Would you eat datura straight off the tree instead of blotter acid? There are many "natural" drugs that will fuck you up, and some "unnatural" ones that cause absolutely no chronic physiological or neurological damage.

To all the people having troubles breaking through on Salvia: Try using a torch lighter next time. Salvinorin A becomes active at a much higher temperature than THC. It's possible to do it with a bic, although it never worked for me. First try with a decent torch lighter worked fabulously. Also it's been said already, but take as large of a hit as you can and hold it for as long as you can stand to, even if it tastes like ass.
sir, the first time we got ahold of salvia, we had to use a propane torch to cook that shit. We had no lighter, just a torch and a striker we found in my buddy's welding shop. Kind of makes me wonder if there's something wrong with my head.

edit: I haven't even really been able to get high off LSD, for that matter.
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But if it is the drug that triggered the early onset, or increased intensity of whatever illness, why can't the person blame drugs?
Are you serious? You can't ever blame drugs for anything. They don't sneak into your system in the dead of night while you're asleep to try and trigger some latent mental illness to emerge from your psyche. If a person makes a concious decision to take drugs, anything that happens after that is completely their own fault. It's attitudes like this that have warped people's values regarding drugs. Drugs are seen as the problem instead of the people who take them and become addicts or cause fatal car wrecks or whatnot.
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edit: I haven't even really been able to get high off LSD, for that matter.
Had the potency of what you took been confirmed by people of experience? Maybe you just didn't eat enough. ;)
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Are you serious? You can't ever blame drugs for anything. They don't sneak into your system in the dead of night while you're asleep to try and trigger some latent mental illness to emerge from your psyche. If a person makes a concious decision to take drugs, anything that happens after that is completely their own fault. It's attitudes like this that have warped people's values regarding drugs. Drugs are seen as the problem instead of the people who take them and become addicts or cause fatal car wrecks or whatnot.
Obviously its the persons own fault for choosing to use the substances. Like ,no shit batman.
You completely misinterpreted my post.

Im not trying to say, ok. If you got problems blame it all on drugs... thats NOT what i was trying to say....

Im sayin
if you introduced a substance into yer body which stimulates change, that means the change was caused by the substance (thats what i meant by the drugs fault). Yes, it was the persons own poor planning or lack of good judgment that pulled him/her into the situation, but its the substances themselves that were cause for the change.
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Then don't use the words "blame the drug". It's common knowledge for anyone who has done a responsible ammount of research into the drugs they do that psychedelics can trigger latent psychological illness, or potentiate existing conditions.

And what's the purpose of ingesting ANYTHING that doesn't "stimulate change"? I wouldn't eat a hamburger if I didn't think it was going to change me from hungry to full.
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