wanted: computer fixer upper.

[clevich]

Originally Posted by neoh

KOffice?
OpenOffice?
SiagOffice?
Mozilla?
Opera?
Firefox?
Netscape?
Who the fuck uses Kazaa?
Gimp > Photoshop
And anything adobe has made can be read/viewed/edited on a linux machine.

ahha gimp.. i was fooling around with that the other day.

[bebu*funfun]

hey neoh u sound smart.

whats gimp?

[Crazy Dave]

L <3 gimp... perl and gimp, work wonders together.

I personally would NOT up grade to winXP. Unless you have hardware that is having issues with win2k. I personally had to up grade, there's a lot of issues still with it.

You know, if you don't run a lot of Windows apps and games, and mostly use Word processors, and Internet, I'd go to linux (or other an other *ux). You don't have to worry 1/2 as much about virii. Get some one to set you up Mandrake or a plain Debin install. Both are about the easiest to maintain.

[Crazy Dave]

Originally Posted by bebu*funfun

hey neoh u sound smart.

whats gimp?

A gimp is a sex toy (a person) that you keep in a box. Normaly it wares a leather mask, and bondage gear.

[neoh]

you know, as fun as this may all sound, I dont think funfun is ready to jump into linux, just from what understanding I have of her computer know-how. Even if someone set it up for her, it would still be redundant.

bev, depending on how old your computer is, XP may not be the best choice. If it's a newer computer (600Mhz CPU+) then go for it, but anything less you may find performance problems and finding it taking a lot longer to get most things done that you normaly would with 2k. I say, stick with what your comfortable with.

[Crazy Dave]

I guess it's an issue if you are just a user KDE is just as easy if not easyer to use the WinXP. It's the people in the middle grey area that *nix sucks for people.

side note, ant you boy ever get Xwindows to work in windows?

[neoh]

yeah, using Xserver and connecting to a nix machine.

[Crazy Dave]

Not really what I mean... I'll start a new thread about it.

[christof]

umm if ure still looking for computer help i could give a hand
ive got 7 years in the computer industry under my belt (as a salesperson but still we gotta know alot of the techinical stuff)

all i ask is that for the help if u do need to buy any computer hardware to purchase it from the store i work at (its owned by my father)

msg me if ure interested or pm or msn ([email protected])

[bebu*funfun]

^^hi chrisof!!! haven't seen u for a longlong time. =) thanks for the offer i have a friend who's gonna try to help me out, but if i need extra help ill ask for sure.

[clevich]

Originally Posted by neoh

yeah, using Xserver and connecting to a nix machine.

fuck that. make her run in console mode. :D

[neoh]

lynx www.google.com

[Canar]

Originally Posted by neoh

KOffice?
OpenOffice?
SiagOffice?
Mozilla?
Opera?
Firefox?
Netscape?
Who the fuck uses Kazaa?
Gimp > Photoshop
And anything adobe has made can be read/viewed/edited on a linux machine.

I'm just listing programs that a lot of users are accustomed to. And no, Gimp is certainly not anywhere near Photoshop calibre for working with real print media, nevermind having a crufty, hackish interface.

Go to download.com and see how many linux programs they have. Compare the number of linux applications to the number of windows applications. Consider the fact that most people likely own several computer games or windows-only applications.

I understand that most of the nerd (oh, wait, geek, or whatever the jargon file tells you is preferred) elite here is strongly pro-Linux. Linux has its own share of problems though, and it is IMO not ready for non-technical desktop use. Lindows is trying.

Originally Posted by Crazy Dave

I personally would NOT up grade to winXP. Unless you have hardware that is having issues with win2k. I personally had to up grade, there's a lot of issues still with it.

Like what, if you don't mind me asking?

Windows XP has a few neat little features that make things "easier" for non-technical users, like common tasks, better auto-insert notification, much easier network setup, better wireless networking features, and the Windows Firewall with SP2.

Originally Posted by Crazy Dave

You know, if you don't run a lot of Windows apps and games, and mostly use Word processors, and Internet, I'd go to linux (or other an other *ux). You don't have to worry 1/2 as much about virii. Get some one to set you up Mandrake or a plain Debin install. Both are about the easiest to maintain.

Both are still a pain to maintain and require some technical know-how, and will likely not run whatever random Windows apps and games she has without massive technical skill. There may be the odd IE-only site that'll refuse to load, as well (often things like banks).

I've never run anti-virus software nor firewall software. The only worm I was hit by was Blaster, and that I had fixed relatively quickly.

Originally Posted by clevich

WHO THE HELL USES INTERNET EXPLORER?!?!!? wait... HAHAHAHAHA.. oh zing. Mozilla/Firefox/Opera4life.

You're preaching to the choir about Mozilla. I've been using it since about M10, and was using Phoenix 0.1 a couple days after release. Some people are accustomed to IE though, and there are still a few stubborn sites that aren't quite compatible.

[sNyx]

you didnt ask me.
*hurt

[neoh]

all you critical IT students are all the fucking same.

[Crazy Dave]

Originally Posted by Canar

I
Like what, if you don't mind me asking?

Windows XP has a few neat little features that make things "easier" for non-technical users, like common tasks, better auto-insert notification, much easier network setup, better wireless networking features, and the Windows Firewall with SP2.

More issue with files locking, DVD, CD and file asuastion. (auto-insert notification, has cause more issue for me then has helped) Explorer randomly taking %100 CPU, FireWire drives refusing to unmount. Random codec, and video performance. OpenGL isuses. Needing more latency with audio apps, sound card issues (though I fixed a bigger one) . More issue with net working all together.

Originally Posted by Canar

Both are still a pain to maintain and require some technical know-how, and will likely not run whatever random Windows apps and games she has without massive technical skill. There may be the odd IE-only site that'll refuse to load, as well (often things like banks).

I set my sister up with Mandrake,,, she can chick on the up date button and that patches the system. Yea some times up grades refuse to intalls. But then again MS charges $100-$200 for theire larger up grades. Odd windows app and games not running... ummm dude that's good thing :) It was because of that issues I asked what she might have been doing with the computer, so those app could be set up so the install was complet with ever thing she uses.


Don't get me wrong I'm not pro-linux. I'm just pro-tools that get the job done. I do think win2k is the best choice for any older computer, unless there's hardware you are having issues with.

Curently I'm running XP because of video card issues with win2k. (video, in/out) Linux is not even an issue because apps I need to run, but yet I have other computers in the house, and my room mate has a debin server.


(sorry about the spelling, I'm falling a sleep as I type)

[Canar]

Originally Posted by neoh

all you critical IT students are all the fucking same.

If that was aimed at me, I'm no IT student. I'm currently in Architectural and Building Engineering Technology (yay BCIT program names). I was in Biotechnology before I switched my focus. Mmm, ad hominem...

-=-

Crazy Dave, you make good points, although my own experiences with Windows XP are different than yours. Frankly, I've never run into any of the problems you've listed except the file-locking thing, which I find rather annoying.

Windows XP's Network Setup Wizard has chopped the complex networking-issue debugging I've had with Win98 and pals from hours of tweaking to minutes. Firewire/OpenGL/etc are generally driver-related. There are many, many terrible driver developers out there.

For low-latency audio output, have you considered using kernel streaming and/or ASIO output?

Originally Posted by Crazy Dave

Linux is not even an issue because apps I need to run

And this is precisely why Linux isn't an option for the average Joe. They run into apps they want to or need to run, and cannot. I agree that there are several instances where a Linux machine can work, but that's gotta be judged on a case-by-case basis. The only person out of a dozen or so I can think of for whom Linux might be a useful solution would be my ex-girlfriend, and her situation is like your sister's.

[bebu*funfun]

dont be hurt myles. i only didn't ask you because i knew u were too busy being a king lately ;)

[G-Style]

I've played with a variety of operating systems and still find win 2k to be not only the most stable but the most secure for little buggers.

[sNyx]

w/e you say bavz, I would put my kingdom on hold for the chance to help you. you know this. now if you'll excuse me, I have a royal beheading to attend..

[G-Style]

Originally Posted by sNyx™

w/e you say bavz, I would put my kingdom on hold for the chance to help you. you know this. now if you'll excuse me, I have a royal beheading to attend..

Ah now isn't that sweet. Myles I didn't know you had a soft side...!

[fixitguy1ca]

If you want to "fix" your computer/hard drive/registry/garbage file problem dowmload and run "iolo system mechanic" any version 4 or better. Its really user friendly, and has a great defrag prog. U can download it as a 30 day trial from iolo, or a hacked versin from any p2p site(scan 4 bugs 1ST) if you need more info email me @ [email protected] Hope this helps

[neoh]

^


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[sNyx]

Originally Posted by G-Style

Ah now isn't that sweet. Myles I didn't know you had a soft side...!

soft/hard its universal.. like a serial bus. ;)