Oct 16, 06
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Ufc 64
Anyone else watch this?
Overall, meh show but saved by the main event. Sherk vs Florian was only interesting to me due to all the blood and the occasional slam although Florian did impress with hanging in there all 5 rounds. Kongo was exposed as being clueless on the ground and got beaten by a one-dimensional wrestler with no cardio. The UFC heavyweight division is such a joke right now. AA is decent, Sylvia is decent (but I hate the guy and his fighting style) both would get destroyed by any of the top 5 heavyweights in Pride. Everyone else is nowhere near the level to be considered actual contenders. Silva absolutely destroying Rich Franklin was a sight to behold though (as was Rich's nose afterwards). I actually had Franklin to win although I thought it would be a super close decision and not the one-sided beatdown that occured. Of course I also didn't expect Franklin to play right into silva's game and try to stand with him. Totally shocked at how completely clueless Franklin seemed in the clinch. Either Silva's is just that damn good or Franklin overestimated his abilities a whole lot (probably a bit of both). Good to see some good muay thai in UFC finally. Honestly can't see anyone from the middleweight division beating silva right now except for Franklin - but even then it's only if he's regained some confidence and gotten himself a better muay thai trainer to defend that clinch. 
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Oct 16, 06
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Oh how lovely it was too see Franklin get worked.For those who never seen it here you go.And yes The top 5 from Pride could definetly beat Franklin or any UFC champ at that
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ROr4d4oc0B0
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Oct 17, 06
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heavyweight - i'd put money on yes. Sylvia would be destroyed by Pride's top 3 - he might be able to hang with the rest but it would be competitive. LHW though, I think Chuck would hold his own agianst Pride top5 enough that it could go either way. Tito and Babalu too. Everyone else? Probably not... Middleweight - Despite the loss, i think Rich is still really good - he just met someone who was better that night. I think if he heals up, rebuilds some confidence with some easier fights and works on some of the holes in his game, he'll be dominant again. Welterweight - Pride has no 170 division and this is probably UFC's most competitive - hughes, gsp, penn, sanchez, parysian are definitely top caliber fighters. Lightweight - new division for UFC (well... technically old and revived), but some of the talent that UFC has signed is pretty damn good. Sherk is really good, but i hope he does more than take down and lay n pray. Gomi is really good but i think his standup style might be nulified by sherk's wrestling. Probably depend if it's in a ring or cage too... Last edited by dj_soo; Oct 17, 06 at 11:33 AM.
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Oct 17, 06
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wasnt impressed at all, except for seeing franklin get destroyed.
i cant wait for gsp vs hughes. its a revolution baby. anyone know if they sched'd the ortiz lidell fight yet? i heard december?
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Oct 17, 06
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^ yea, December - UFC 66
64 was a one-fight show going in. The entire undercard was a bunch of nobodies or b-level fighters with the exception of maybe the LW title fight. Even that was between a guy who had never fought at LW and a guy who was 2-1 in UFC. Even then, some of those unknowns often have good fights but not this time. Too many boring LnP decisions (could that Kongo fight be any more painful?)
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Oct 17, 06
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I wanna see Forest Griffin fight again, he's got so much heart and he brings it all to every fight.
I also hope Ortiz destroys Lidell, hope Ortiz takes out the garbage just like he did to the washed up Shamrock. It was great to see team punishment retire Shamrock, buddy got destroyed three straight times, suprised it even went to a third fight. I didn't watch UFC 64 everyone who did though told me it was a shitty ppv and a waste of money.
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Oct 17, 06
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Very well put Soo I agree with all except one thing there is someone in Pride who can and has beaten Chuck liddell before.I heard he was actually supposed to come over and fight in UFC but I think now that Pride has come over across the pond to North America no pride fighters will hop over.That person in Quinton "Rampage" Jackson.
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Oct 17, 06
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Rampage doesn't fight for Pride anymore, he fights for the WFA. UFC totally dropped the ball with not signing Rampage mainly cause Dana White is too cheap. I'm guessing we'll see him in UFC sooner or later cause UFC fans are (slowly) getting more educated and will eventually discover that Chuck lost to some guy named Quentin Jackson and want to see a rematch (seeing as Chuck has avenged all his losses other than that one).
Personally, I think Chuck would beat Rampage 2nd time around - 'page hasn't really been the same since he got KO'd by silva. His wins have been less than impressive - save for the powerbomb KO of Arona - and he got dominated by Rampage's fight with Linland was really good, but it wasn't exactly a dominating win (Linland is really good though). Griffin is entertaining and has the heart but I doubt he will ever hold a championship in the big 2 (3 if you count K1). He just seems sloppy and really not that good - he did seem improved in his last fight tho but i highly doubt he'll ever be more than a journeyman. As for Tito vs Chuck, my money's still on Chuck. Tito didn't really prove a threat last time they fought and he's looked less-than-impressive against anyone not named "Ken Shamrock" (Cote, Belfort, Griffin). We'll see tho... Fight I'm looking forward to the most is the Hughes/GSP rematch. Really pulling for GSP cause a) he's Canadian and b) I hate Hughes. I was rooting for BJ last time but we all know what happened there... Last edited by dj_soo; Oct 17, 06 at 07:01 PM.
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Oct 18, 06
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I believe chuck is 1 and 1 in pride cant remember though. i dont think chuck could handle the top in pride fedor, mirko etc. but yet again i think he wont against vvanderlay silva when he fought in ufc. ufc is cool to watch but i enjoy pridefc 100x more, everyones a bit more well rounded (except for bob sapp heh). Anyways I couldnt figure out why franklin wasn't able to get out of the thai clinch he did a bit too block them, i dont know if he was just stunned or he didnt know how to get out of it. Speaking of pride theres a fight on this weekend (saturday @ 6) , FEDOR!! vs coleman , rua vs randleman and about 5 other fights. its in las vegas so ive been told theres different rules than overseas, no kicking the guy while hes down and no head stomping or knees to the head while the guy is down. Anyways anyone know any bars showing it and want to watch it?
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Oct 18, 06
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^ Yo fran - my house. couple guys including the angsta will be over to watch.
In regards to Franklin, I think he honestly thought he could duke it out in the clinch cause if you watch it again, he's doing uppercuts and attempting to trade knees with Silva until he starts taking brutal knees to the ribs. I think i was those rib shots that totally took him out of his game and he basically paniced and went straight into defense mode instead of taking him down or puling guard - looked like he tried to break free a couple times but silva's technique was too good. Some people think that franklin started to buy into his own hype, but I think he just went in with a bad gameplan and got hurt early and didn't have the mental composure to get himself out of trouble (that and silva wasn't giving him much breathing room). And yea, American Pride will be watered down - no 10 minutes 1st round, no stomps, no soccer kicks and no elbows either. Still going to watch cause it's Pride :D. Last edited by dj_soo; Oct 18, 06 at 09:18 PM.
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Oct 18, 06
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tito is a bum. his last 4 fights are against a noob (forrest)(who is decent), and a washed up bum. not to mention forrest should have won that fight too.
chuck will destroy him. now chuck would get owned by wanderlei silva. wanderlei is heads and shoulders above chuck. need proof? chuck entered 1 open weight GP and got destroyed(while in his prime). wanderlei is a consistent force in these open weight gps'. the fact that wandy has the balls to consistently step into these is more then proof imo. but chuck is much better then tito, even though that doesn't really say much. hughes is whack too, bj penn totally owned him those 1st 2 rounds. and gsp called it right after the fight, telling it like it is. how hughes was far from impressive. anderson silva didn't just clinch well, he showed the talent level between ufc/north america isn't even on par with japan/pride. i mean look at ufc, every goddamn ppv is loaded with all these plumbers from the reality show. come on now.
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Oct 18, 06
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Silva on the other hand plays right into Chucks game of counter punching with his overly-aggressive, wild attack. The thing is, he does the over-aggressive wild attacking incredibly well - much better than any of Chuck's previous opponents - so I honestly think the fight could go either way. Crocop showed that Silva can be knocked out and although Chuck is no Crocop, he probably punches harder than most anyone in the game. I think it could easily go either way - all depends on who slips up first or who gets the first solid hit in first.
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Oct 18, 06
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What ever happened to Ivan Salavery? He had a such a good game and had numerous wins in UFC then just kind of disappeared.There were rumors he had a falling out with Dana White whether or not that is true.I believe he trains out of Seattle now.
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Oct 19, 06
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There are a bunch of other smaller leagues around too that are trying to be legit competition - IFL is cool cause it has a team concept where 2 teams fight a series of fights to advance in a multi-show tourney or something. Strike Force is based out of California and they have had a couple big fights lke Frank Shamrock vs Cesar Gracie but i really don't know much about them... Some new org called The World Fighter just signed Frank Shamrock to some multi-million dollar contract too - no events yet but expect them to lure away some of the UFC guys...
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Oct 19, 06
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Honestly. i think were being taken for fools. the thing about ufc is that its "real" , and thats how its diff from wwe and all that fake shit. People wanna see 2 guys kick the shit outta each other. RICH franklin walked into the ring looking like he was gonna get his ass knocked out, like it was planned. him and his wife had this grim ass look on their faces. The dude wasnt scared or intimidated by anyone whos ever come to take away his belt. It looked obvious to me that he was letting silva knock him out. silva fought a good fight but theres no way someone that small could control him with a clinch. Rich is twice his size!!!! and he was blocking knees and shit not even fighting back. it was a slaughter and looked to me like he was forced to lose. ......YE i saw his broken nose but i dont give a shit. Buuuulshit
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Oct 19, 06
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Karl i dont think you could be any more wrong about wanderlei silva being able to beat chuck. Ive seen wanderlei in pride. I saw him fighting someone from lions den, some dude that tito picked apart and wanderlei was getting his ass handed to him... but he stuck it out and knocked the dude out cuz hes a solid mma fighter. Chuck got fucked at pride and he still would but hes at his prime right now and hed knock out wanderlei. not easily, but nonetheless KO his ass. itd be an interesting fight tho cuz wanderlei doesnt usually push the pace, he takes his time and picks apart his opponents. it'd be a very interesting fight to watch.
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Oct 19, 06
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haha you guys are idiots. what do you know about muay thai. i fucking took it. i do take back some shit i said tho cuz franklin never really had any real challenges to the belt but i was in disbelief because if youre at the pro level like ufc you should be able to defend against a clinch. he fought like shit it was the worst defense ive ever seen
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