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homeless people

I would like to know your opinions on people who are homeless as well as the huge problem vancouver is dealing with.
i would really appreciate some feedback
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Old Mar 07, 07
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alcohol and drug addiction + mentally ill people who don't have access to adequate treatement due to lack of goverment funding = our homeless population in a nutshell.

[and lazy 20 something year old french canadians who are just too lazy to do anything anything with their lives and decide to migrate to bc for the winter]

my opinion? it's really shitty that we can spend millions of dollars to treat heart disease and but we refuse to funnel any money towards mental health research and treatment.
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Old Mar 07, 07
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I once saw my best friend from grade 1 on bctv or utv (whatever it was called back then) saying something along the lines of 'I choose to live on the street, I like it here'

my mom and I were just starring at eachother in SHOCK couldn't believe we knew this girl.
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i like the ones that play music n shit.. heh... they're like that crazy singing frog.

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Old Mar 07, 07
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I actually don't mind working to pay for rent and a place to go home to every night.

I wish I could help people but I just don't have the funds to start giving away my rent money.

I do feel horrible when I drive by people who ask for change at lights and it's obvious that they are mentally ill. Like the guy around Expo Blvd and Abbott.
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Old Mar 07, 07
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^ I couldnt possibly understand how someone could actually LIKE to live on the street.
Part of it may have to do with mental health and some of it may have to with ppl wanting to be free. I mean think about it, they dont have to pay taxs or deal with bills. Its probly a lot less stressful for them and they kind of get to do what ever they want. One of my favoirite quotes...

"Its not untill you have nothing that you can than do anything"



Im starting to understand the ppl who fight for lower income housing more and more. With all the demolishes of low income housing being replaced with $300,000 one bed room apartments... im sure the numbers will continue to rise. Ppl just arn't being realistic.
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I actually don't mind working to pay for rent and a place to go home to every night.

I wish I could help people but I just don't have the funds to start giving away my rent money.

I do feel horrible when I drive by people who ask for change at lights and it's obvious that they are mentally ill. Like the guy around Expo Blvd and Abbott.

i sense some sarcasm?
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Old Mar 07, 07
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i sense some sarcasm?
actually.. no..
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Old Mar 07, 07
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Old Mar 07, 07
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if they are alcoholics or druggies I couldn't care less, they made a series of bad choices and now they get to deal with the results

if they are mentally ill i feel bad for them and would like to see so sort of help given - but I'm not in a position to do that

if they are drifters basically fuck'em, go drift somewhere else
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theres barley any low-income housing in this city. thats one of the problems.

i was on my way to work today and George Carlin had a bunch of things to say about homelessness (or should i say houselessness) on my ipod.

i cant imagine myself on the street, i could survive for a week mabey.
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Old Mar 07, 07
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A lack of decent low income housing is definitely an issue, and I agree with Diva on the mental illness and drug addiction.
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if they are alcoholics or druggies I couldn't care less, they made a series of bad choices and now they get to deal with the results

if they are mentally ill i feel bad for them and would like to see so sort of help given - but I'm not in a position to do that

if they are drifters basically fuck'em, go drift somewhere else
alcoholics and "druggies" are humans you know they deserve help as well
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%90 of the people who ask me for money have obviously made the choice to live on the street. of course, that might have a lot to do with the area's i walk in, but it's still really annoying. I only give money to those who play music
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Old Mar 07, 07
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I wish the city cared more about low income housing instead of letting all these almost half a million dollar condos go up.
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^There are a lot of factors that lead them to that "choice"
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Old Mar 07, 07
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alcoholics and "druggies" are humans you know they deserve help as well
when i make a bad decision i have to deal with the results, why should they be any different
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%90 of the people who ask me for money have obviously made the choice to live on the street. of course, that might have a lot to do with the area's i walk in, but it's still really annoying. I only give money to those who play music
90% is a number i definetely disagree with
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oh ya? where do you live? in the west end, i recognize most of the people who ask for money as they are the same people everyday. i know the names and histories of the ones who are truly fucked up, and the rest are usually street kids who clean windshields at burrard and davie.
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when i make a bad decision i have to deal with the results, why should they be any different
Addiction is a disease...
For some of these people the disease is just in them and after doing it once, they are hooked. No one DESERVES to be on the street
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oh ya? where do you live? in the west end, i recognize most of the people who ask for money as they are the same people everyday. i know the names and histories of the ones who are truly fucked up, and the rest are usually street kids who clean windshields at burrard and davie.
maybe in that particular spot but there's no way that 90% of people in downtown vancouver want to be there
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George Carlin kills me <3...I wonder if he's got stuff out on Dvd.....
hes all over google video

just type in "George carlin" all his shows are on there
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maybe in that particular spot but there's no way that 90% of people in downtown vancouver want to be there
like i said in my first post, it's probably due to the area i'm in. I didn't say anything about the whole of downtown
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Old Mar 08, 07
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Unfortunately, the problem is is that the problem is so massive that fixing the damage that is done is not where I think the efforts should be focused on. I think education for the future is where it should be focused. Preventing this from getting worse and essentially while trying to keep people from turning to the streets in the first place. Like the cop said in "Through the Blue Lens," education is the only way to help prevent it from getting worse.

I don't feel bad when I tell someone no when they ask for my spare change. I work for my money and I work to have what I have today. I have overcome many struggles and therefore I think others should be able to as well. This city provides so many options, resume help, job searching help, finding places to live help. The social welfare in this city is intense. And yet they want to go even more towards. Instead of giving out money for welfare...(which most DEFINITELY doesn't solve the problem, only feeds on dependency on the government) that money needs to be funnelled into other means. I don't have all the answers, but they can start by making it so that essentially one doesn't need to live off of it for the rest of their lives because it's handed to them every month. Giving prescription drugs to replace hard drugs isn't going to solve the problem either.

If nothing is done though, it's only going to get worse... ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. I don't appreciate though feeling bad that I am successful and others are not. Human nature is survival of the fittest, and although society can come in and try to counter that... it essentially still rings true

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Old Mar 08, 07
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he said 90% of the people that ask him, not 90% of all the homeless people
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