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Old Mar 10, 07
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Music Festivals - IMF vs Coachella?

Music Festivals should be more than just electronic music. It should be the celebration of all kinds of music. Vancouver's IMF festival has a fantastic 4 stages of electronic music, but what about other music? Compare it to something like Coachella in LA with live performances of Metal, Rock, Hip Hop and Alternative. Coachella also has amazing DJ talent like PVD, Tiesto, and Felix the House Cat!

What do you think. Would you enjoy all night music festivals more if they had live bands? Would IMF or Apex been busier and better with 1 stage with dedicated time for Live performances? Would it be justifiable to pay $100 for 1 night of entertainment if there was MORE entertainment? Also, world class events will have information booths or kiosks to sell music and fan fare. Why don't we have stuff like that to promote local events during these music festivals (apex and imf alike) or even local DJ's??

I'd liek to see a kiosk at APEX (because imf is a week away) that sold local dj sets for $5 a pop so I could find music from people outside of the circle of parties that I've run into. Buying CD's from Boomtown is OK... but you'd expect to find CD's where parties go as well.
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Old Mar 10, 07
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this is a joke right?

things like imf and apex should not even be uttered in the same breathe as a festival like coachella
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IMO apex really never was a "music festival". Now I haven't been since 2001, but it was my understanding apex was an outdoor rave. I remember being taken aback seeing an ATM there in 2001. Now I understand that the very culture of "raving" has to do with evolution, but I don't think apex was ever even remotely attempting to go in the same direction as Coachella. I understood it as a cheap/free event thrown by local promotors banding together along with local talent to party with all the local people who party together all year long.

Have you noticed how there are never any out-of-town headliners?
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I'd liek to see a kiosk at APEX (because imf is a week away) that sold local dj sets for $5 a pop so I could find music from people outside of the circle of parties that I've run into. Buying CD's from Boomtown is OK... but you'd expect to find CD's where parties go as well.

Well what I can tell you on this part is to simply "explore" as to what is out there... I've found myself in the catch up on various "scene"s throughout vancouver regardless as to what genre of music or artists. To give you an example... vancouver itself when you take a look at it as a whole has a HUGE IDM scene. You don't hear about it if you just focus on mainstream events. And even as huge as the IDM scene is in vancouver (as a whole) , it is divided into area's and is sprung out where one group may not even know another group existed in the city..
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this is a joke right?

things like imf and apex should not even be uttered in the same breathe as a festival like coachella
Most definitely. I think coachella is leaps and bounds ahead. I won't argue there. But events need to establish themselves over time in order to build up to be something bigger. You need to pay your dues. I can certainly see your respect for what Coachella is, and I'm not disputing that. But to see something of it's kind (in a single day event) would be fantastic.

I'd just like to discuss what we're missing in our own "music festivals" that we see elsewhere.

I'm positive we do have events around which celebrate multiple facets of music. But none actually come to mind. I friggen LOVE the jazz fest. It is mainly jazz, but electronic music as wel. It's silly to say IMF is like jazzfest. But we can certainly compare and contrast.
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LOL just cause they use the word Festival doesn't mean it is one.

it's 12 hour dance party.. as opposed to Coachella which is days long and has more they just electronic genres of music
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things like imf and apex should not even be uttered in the same breathe as a festival like coachella
I was about to write the exact same thing.
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Yeah, basically, if you're looking for a "music festival" atmosphere....go to a music festival...don't act like raves/dance parties should change what they are. They're not like festivals because they aren't even remotely trying to be.
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Mr. Ektion - thx for the Karma, but I guess I didn't make myself a little more clearer..... Even such events such as "Apex" it doesn't bring that same "circle" of groups together for one evening. To give you an example..... The people who would attend the original "trancemission" parties (No NOT Evolve), would most likely not be in attendance to go to Apex. I guess you can also say the same with Shambala almost... Like I put it before just go out and explore....

Giving a party a name of an event is the number 1 selling point for advertising it.... With Solid using I.M.F they ended up using a great marketing strategy, and that party sells out every year but really its no different then the other shows they pull off.... Its the name that sells

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if u want to compare it should be

Coachella vs. Shambhala

it wouldnt come close cuz Coachella still kicks massive ass.

But im saying Shambhala cuz its the only thing around our area that would even attempt to come close to Coachella.

IMF is just another all night rave party.

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Shambhala and Merritt Mountain are the only major Music Festivals we have in BC. Everything else is just a dance party or a concert. I suppose Folk Fests count too but those are always a lot lower key.

I heard Ozzfest this year was free. Might head to 'attle for that one. A bunch of my friends are doing Burning Man this year so I might tag along.

Are they still doing those Fiji Mountain Music Festivals? Google's coming up blank and the closest thing I can find is a World Music Festival but that looks like more of a Folk-fest type deals. I remember a couple years back looking up these Festivals that were like 4 days and a ridiculous number of stages. Think of it like Coachella with 4 times as many bands/djs/live PAs.
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this is a joke right?

things like imf and apex should not even be uttered in the same breathe as a festival like coachella
No doubt.

raves in vancouver are shit amongst shit, cannot even be grouped into the category as other parties out there

IMF is just a cash grab.
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Old Mar 10, 07
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lol IMF vs Coachella? LOL... oh no what on Earth has happened here?
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Shambhala and Merritt Mountain are the only major Music Festivals we have in BC. Everything else is just a dance party or a concert.
You forgot the recently added Virgin Music Festival, 2 days at Thunderbird this year.
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Old Mar 10, 07
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Apex and Coachella are two totally different directions....

IMF and Apex in the same sentence? Two totally different parties, with two totally different focuses... The only way IMF is a festival is in name sake.

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Yikes. I'm obviously not saying that IMF is Coachella. I could've used other examples but I used IMF because it's soon and has the word festival in the title. And Coachella because it's an amazing friggen party on the west coast that i consider the cream of the crop. I'm OBVIOUSLY not saying that IMF is as huge as coachella.

All I'm asking is, what is a show like IMF missing that other Music Festivals like WEMF, the Burning Man, Shambalah and MMM Festival have. Since you're all experts and feel so offended when I compare IMF to Coachella it must be easy to explain. And guys. It's not like I didn't know that IMF is a rave.

And your welcome for the karma. i just liked your response.
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Shambhala Or Bust!!!!!!!!!
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Yikes. I'm obviously not saying that IMF is Coachella. I could've used other examples but I used IMF because it's soon and has the word festival in the title. And Coachella because it's an amazing friggen party on the west coast that i consider the cream of the crop. I'm OBVIOUSLY not saying that IMF is as huge as coachella.

All I'm asking is, what is a show like IMF missing that other Music Festivals like WEMF, the Burning Man, Shambalah and MMM Festival have. Since you're all experts and feel so offended when I compare IMF to Coachella it must be easy to explain. And guys. It's not like I didn't know that IMF is a rave.

And your welcome for the karma. i just liked your response.
Well, for starters - the "Festivals" that you listed, save for maybe Shambhala - reinvent themselves each year.

Compare the 10 last shows that Solid, and several other promoters in this city have done. Maybe I am being picky, but seriously, the line ups seem the same to me, all the time. The same acts are being brought out over and over again to different shows.

Not to mention, the additional activities, sites and features at places like Burning Man, Coachella and WMC.
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Not to mention, the additional activities, sites and features at places like Burning Man, Coachella and WMC.
Which brings me to what I was asking...

okok. like Burning man has square miles of music of all kinds, stages, art, a giant wooden structure that they burn at the end. Costumes, bartering, over 50,000 people...

Umm... I think Coachella is just multi-dayed, outdoor with camping, and more than just electronic music. I actually don't know all that much about the roots. But I'd like to know.

And... WMF? Fill me in! That's why I'm asking!

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As for those unable to make it to Coachella this year, The Sasquatch Festival across the border has a stellar line up this year....

Sasquatch Music Festival 2007:

Saturday, May 26th:
Bjork
The Arcade Fire
Manu Chao Radio Bemba Sound System
M.I.A.
Citizen Cope Neko Case The Hold Steady
Grizzly Bear
Ghostland Observatory
Electrelane
Two Gallants
The Slip
Loney, Dear
Aqueduct
The Thermals
Viva Voce
The Blow
Gabriel Teodros

Sunday, May 27th:
Beastie Boys
Interpol
Michael Franti & Spearhead
Spoon
Bad Brains
Ozomatli
Dandy Warhols
The Black Angels
Mirah
Tokyo Police Club
Money Mark
St. Vincent
Jesse Sykes & The Sweet Hereafter
Smoosh
Common Market
Helio Sequence
Minus The Bear

With more acts to be announced.
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Shambhala has music, vendors, costumes, and different environments all in the same party. You could start the day listening to reggae on a beach, make your way up to vendor alley and buy a new locally designed out fit to wear that night. then you have what basically amounts to 3 super clubs at night. each year that you come back major improvements and changes have been made. Shambhala has essentially become a living growing entity... you can buy food 24 hours a day of basically any type you can imagine. you also spend 5 days in the same place which allows an amazing atmosphere to build up. in recent years the camp sites have started to become very elaborate and I have a feeling this year will be a sort of break through for awesome camps. we have some pretty cool ideas that we're rocking this year.

IMF is a party with 4 rooms of basically the same music (all electronic for the most part) and not much else. see the difference?
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I'd just like to be clear that there's nothing wrong with parties. I just think it's silly to call IMF a festival...
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