help to stop Wal-Mart from selling bullets which Kill kids!

[cinist]

http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/i...t/petition.php

click on the above link to read about and/or sign a petition to ask wal~mart to stop selling bullets. If you have seen the movie "Bowling for Columbine" you know that Micheal Moore and two kids who were injured at columbine were able to stop K~mart from selling bullets.


Wal-Mart is now the world's largest corporation. With annual sales of $218 billion, Wal-Mart rivals the gross domestic product of the world's 22nd largest economy, Austria. Wal-Mart is the world's largest overall retailer, and sells more groceries, toys, and jewelry than any other chain in the United States. It is also the world's largest private employer, with 1.2 million people.

A company this successful does not need to sell handgun ammunition. But still, Wal-Mart, which does not release sales figures on its ammunition, continues to sell handgun bullets, bullets that kill people. People that die because Wal-Mart sells bullets. Here are just a few of these people:

On August 27, 1999 Bryan Midgette was arrested for abusing his wife, Marsha. Despite a restraining order, Bryan tracked Marsha down three days later at the Wal-Mart in Pottstown, Pennsylvania where she worked. He purchased bullets for his .22 caliber handgun in the store, then chased Marsha through the aisles and shot her before killing himself. Marsha survived, but suffers from severe brain damage.

For ten years, James Easton Kelly had studied towards a graduate degree in English at the University of Arkansas. Then, his professor, John R. Locke, informed him that due to his lack of progress towards his doctorate, the school was dismissing him. At 11:27 AM on Monday, August 28th, 2000 Kelly went to a Wal-Mart 10 miles from the Fayetteville campus and purchased 50 rounds of .38 caliber bullets. He then returned to the school, went to Locke's office and, shortly after noon, shot Locke three times, killing him instantly. Kelly then turned the gun on himself.


READ MORE AT THE ABOVE LINK & sign the petition!

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Whatever. I would put more blame on the U.S. government for allowing stores that aren't specifically geared towards guns to sell the bullets. Look at the Wal-Marts in Canada, do they sell bullets? No. Why? Cause the government said so.

If Wal-Mart did not sell bullets they would get them from somewhere else anyway.

[cinist]

Originally posted by cookie:
Whatever. I would put more blame on the U.S. government for allowing stores that aren't specifically geared towards guns to sell the bullets. Look at the Wal-Marts in Canada, do they sell bullets? No. Why? Cause the government said so.

If Wal-Mart did not sell bullets they would get them from somewhere else anyway.

whatever? hmm

anyway i believe some wal~marts in canada do sell bullets. ie. In the movie "bowling for columbine" Micheal Moore buys 9mm bullets from a wal~mart in Ontario.

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Yes whatever.

I didn't know there were Wal-Marts in Ontario. But I also thought that gun control is federal law so you might wanna look that one up.

Yeah it sucks that people are killing people but if they didn't get the bullets at Wal-Mart they would get them from somewhere else. Don't blame the store, blame the crazy guy with the gun.

[cinist]

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Having bullets in a store where children shop, sends the message that yes this is normal, yes this is ok, yes this acceptable and so on. The more children are exposed to weapons,i believe, the more comfortable and likely they will be to want to get there hands on them and maybe even use them!
And seriously, the less bullets that are out there the better.
And the response of "whatever" to a post written about murders, no matter what your postion, i just find odd at best.

[Sue Bitch]

that is wrong bullets should not be sold in a family oriented store

[munky_no_fun]

i agree with the fact that if they didnt get the bullets there they would get them else where and that if this is a concern the gov't could easily put into effect laws that would stop those merchants from selling firearm goods.

but i aslo agree with the fact little childern shouldnt be faced with the fact that purchasing ammo is somewhat normal and that owning a gun is just as common as owning a ninja turtle of barbie doll. but really any store you go in, just go into the campin section and there are lots of things there that show them fire arms or shooting things or weapons of sorts can be purchased quite easily.

When i was a kid i wanted knives so bad, there was a sign that said 18 and over, i just lied said my mom was right over there, waved at some weird lady she waved back and the dude sold it to me, easy as that not saying it would work with bullets but come if walmart stop youd get them somewhere else, i think its a nobel thing to do but it wont solve the problem.

[rawb]

walmart in canada doesn't sell bullets. michael moore didnt buy the bullets from a wal mart in ontario, wtf did you get that from? he bought them from a wal mart right near the headquarters.

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Originally posted by werdyboy:
walmart in canada doesn't sell bullets. michael moore didnt buy the bullets from a wal mart in ontario, wtf did you get that from? he bought them from a wal mart right near the headquarters.

Thank you.

Originally posted by Cinist83: The more children are exposed to weapons,i believe, the more comfortable and likely they will be to want to get there hands on them and maybe even use them!

True enough but let me ask you this, what about TV? I don't know about you but I learned a hell of a lot more about guns from TV and movies than I ever did from going to a store that sells guns. Besides , you think these stores are actually going to sell kids bullets?

Originally posted by Cinist83:
And seriously, the less bullets that are out there the better.

I agree , but try telling that to the U.S. government.

Originally posted by Cinist83:
And the response of "whatever" to a post written about murders, no matter what your postion, i just find odd at best.

You're really running low on ammunition, aren't you? I said whatever because you are putting all the blame on Wal-Mart and I think that is bullshit. The government plays a huge part in this. All you have to do is look at Canada.

[mushmellow]

the US government is mostly to blame....altho it is wrong to sell bullets in a store that also sells childrens toys and almost everything else.....but the government isnt sending the right message to anyone...they are saying war isnt wrong, killing is the way to solve problems, killing equals power and all this corrupt bullshit....why is it that most countries dont hate canada but hate america? we are peace keepers...they send out the wrong message....and it not just them.....watch tv for one hour and see how much violent stuff there is? watch the news...how many positive stories are there? not very many at all....our lives are based around violence...the blame isnt on walmart its the people buying the ammo and the government who is allowing it to be sold. guns and ammo are both way to easily accesible in the states and too many people are taking advantage of that. the govenments not doing enough to stop it....and neither is anyone else

[cinist]

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lmao , Will people just argue with anything today? If you had bothered to go to the website and read the info you would see that the petition is entitled, " Wal~mart is nothing without it's customers" . Petitioning the gov i would think will come after they succesfully get wal~mart to stop selling bullets, as it is a major corperation in the World! And as you should know the Us gov springs into action much faster when their corperate leaders call for change not the citizens. K~mart was able to be stopped, obviously they saw cause.... and then you go on about TV? your getting ahead of yourself here, you have to deal with one thing at a time. Otherwise it would be the "get rid of everything bad petition"!
i think you must be the most negative and uninformed person I have ever encountered on this board.

Werdyboy~
With the price of seeing movies these days you should really pay attention! Micheal Moore bought bullets in CANADA in Ontario in the movie. He even asked if they took American money for christs sake! Later on he bought out all the bullets from the store near the HQ. I guess with all the availibility of bullets at wal~mart you got confused.

boy oh boy people, you have a little yankee agression in you don't you!

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Originally posted by cinist83:
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lmao , Will people just argue with anything today?

No, just idiots like you I guess.

and then you go on about TV? your getting ahead of yourself here, you have to deal with one thing at a time. Otherwise it would be the "get rid of everything bad petition"!
i think you must be the most negative and uninformed person I have ever encountered on this board.

No , you blamed Wal-Mart on making kids feel accustomed to guns and that is completely not true. Just because I make you sound like a complete moron does not mean I am uninformed.

And how exactly would you call my argument in this thread negative? The fact that I am against selling bullets in store like Wal-Mart is wrong? Or is it just because I think the government is more to blame than the store?

Negative and uninformed eh? Oh man...Coming from you that really makes me feel like a loser. Thanks for the reality check.

[cinist]

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umm ya you sure are a positive guy!
I can understand that allot of people do not read up on important issues and keep up to date with them and that is fine. But when someone tries to offer you useful information take it or leave it, don't slam it when you don't know what you are talking about.

"No, just idiots like you I guess.
I make you sound like a complete moron "

You have to resort to name calling to attempt to get your point across? Maybe you should focus your negative energy on educating yourself on this topic, then maybe you won't have these problems.
You have yet to make any standing points here, all you have done is attempt to argue and name call.

Wal-Mart can be made to feel responsible for the citizens who shop in their stores, plain and simple, they did it with K~Mart got the bullets out of there. And in doing so it made two kids with K~mart bullets still INSIDE of their bodies feel better. If that’s all it accomplishes then fine, infact I think it is great!. Maybe we can do the same for kids with Wal-Mart bullets inside of them. The reason, again, why it is important to have Wal-Mart get the bullets out of the stores is because it sends a message to the government that a corporation which helps to keep America thriving is against the sale of bullets and so are their customers. If you can't see that this would be huge, then you are lost. I don't think you are informed on how Wal-Mart has moved in to thousands upon thousands of communities throughout the US and knocked out all the little guys, while making the community dependant on their franchise. Can you see it yet? Wal-Mart is major player! too big for the gov to ignore.
And as for children seeing that bullets are sold in THEIR stores, in many cases the ONE big store in town, yes that makes them think that bullets are as everyday a purchase as food and milk.
As long as their are people saying the government should be responsible for this and that nothing will ever get done, we have to find ways to MAKE them change.

[galaxie]

Originally posted by munky_no_fun:
but i aslo agree with the fact little childern shouldnt be faced with the fact that purchasing ammo is somewhat normal and that owning a gun is just as common as owning a ninja turtle of barbie doll. but really any store you go in, just go into the campin section and there are lots of things there that show them fire arms or shooting things or weapons of sorts can be purchased quite easily.

We're talking about the States here, man. Guns ARE just as common as Ninja Turtles and Barbie Dolls.

Sad but true...

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Originally posted by cinist83:
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umm ya you sure are a positive guy!
I can understand that allot of people do not read up on important issues and keep up to date with them and that is fine. But when someone tries to offer you useful information take it or leave it, don't slam it when you don't know what you are talking about.

"No, just idiots like you I guess.
I make you sound like a complete moron "

You have to resort to name calling to attempt to get your point across?

What can I say, it's frustrating arguing with somebody when all they do when you come at them with a completely valid point is ignore it and try and turn it around on you. Your one to talk anyway , I believe you called me a priss. You could really use some of your own advice.

Maybe you should focus your negative energy on educating yourself on this topic, then maybe you won't have these problems.
You have yet to make any standing points here, all you have done is attempt to argue and name call.

What makes you so educated on this subject then?

I have made no standing points? At least show a little respect and actually start reading the posts of the one you are arguing with cause if you did you would have noticed that I agree Wal-Mart should not be selling bullets. What i'm trying to say is that there are bigger problems that are cauing kids and people to kill, not the fact that your local Wal-Mart sells bullets.

Take a look at video games , television , movies. Those are the main causes of violence amongst kids. It feels like your trying to blame Wal-Mart for kids being exposed to guns and violence.

Wal-Mart can be made to feel responsible for the citizens who shop in their stores, plain and simple, they did it with K~Mart got the bullets out of there. And in doing so it made two kids with K~mart bullets still INSIDE of their bodies feel better. If that’s all it accomplishes then fine, infact I think it is great!.

I agree , I hope their morals (which big companies like this seem to lack nowadays) and the fact that they realize it won't hurt them that much if they don't sell bullets gets the best of them.

I don't think you are informed on how Wal-Mart has moved in to thousands upon thousands of communities throughout the US and knocked out all the little guys, while making the community dependant on their franchise. Can you see it yet? Wal-Mart is major player! too big for the gov to ignore.

I work for Safeway and Safeway is scared shitless of Wal-Mart. They are growing very quickly and taking a lot of our business. Believe me , I know.

And as for children seeing that bullets are sold in THEIR stores, in many cases the ONE big store in town, yes that makes them think that bullets are as everyday a purchase as food and milk.

When I used to go into Army & Navy with my parents when I was a kid and saw the bullets there I knew they were wrong and bad. Did I ever see anybody buying bullets? Nope. Did my parents buy any bullets? Nope. If kids think that way it is not because the bullets are on the shelf, it's caused by a lack of education on the subject.

As long as their are people saying the government should be responsible for this and that nothing will ever get done, we have to find ways to MAKE them change.

I'm not saying the government is the only answer here , i'm saying they are a big part of it. There are a lot of factors involved in situations like this such as family, school, government, and the store.

I think im agreeing with you more than you choose to believe.

[JoNeSie]

I've used .22 calibre pistols and rifles many times. Does that mean that I could ever turn a weapon on another human being??? I don't believe that I could ever kill another person, ever. I've had more exposure to firearms than you'd probably ever have Cinist. I know tons of people with even more exposure than me. Does that make me any more likely to take a weapon and kill? I doubt it. I think this whole campaign is for simple minded ppl to feel like they're making a difference in the world. Is it any harder to get ammunition at a hunting store than it is at a mega store? No.

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I helped :)

[cinist]

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thanx ::)

[mister-peenutt]

not selling bullets in wal-mart is not going to solve anything.

just because you can buy bullets from a department store doesn't mean you can buy the gun from there...

so stopping the distribution of ammo through department stores is just going to make the kids have to try a little bit harder to find a place that sells ammo... ie. a hunting supply store.

and for fucks sakes.. if they can find a gun. they can find bullets.

not selling them in wal mart will accomplish nothing.

i support department stores selling ammo.. it easier than having to go to a specialty store.

and why the hell is this thing taretting only wal-mart? if i'm not mistaken .. target sells ammo too.

and not to metion big 5 sporting goods.. they sell ammo and guns.

this petition is stupid.

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