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ebbomega · #26 (**permalink**) Apr 27, 07

PS STILL WAITING FOR YOUR ALTERNATIVE TO PEOPLE NOT WANTING TO DEAL WITH MICROSOFT'S INCREASINGLY RESTRICTIVE EULAS, RAWB.

rawb · #27 (**permalink**) Apr 27, 07

THAT ONE IS EASY, GET A MAC

anewlife · #28 (**permalink**) Apr 27, 07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gusto

i don't know how you could try to argue that linux is easier. the world is predominantly trained to use windows and there is a definite learning curve when you switch to linux. not to mention that most of the people they used to go to for computer help will no longer be able to help them and a they're pretty much left on their own.

Well, here's a story: My grandma (she's 79) used to call me almost every friggin' month coz sth was fucked up with her Windows. I tried to teach her how to handle a firewall and a virus scanner. But she never got the hang of it. She kept calling me and ran into virus/worm problems regularly. So I asked her what apps she actually uses - IE, Office, Outlook. Cool, I set up Dapper for her with FF, OpenOffice, Evolution. Guess what? No more viruses, no more worms and not a single pc-related phone call from her anymore...

(she doesn't even use iptables / a firewall)

And no, I did not make this up.

Funny clip, but I'm afraid it's full of myths. That's how it was like 5-7 years ago.

I've been on linux for 4 years now and never ever had to compile my own kernel...

:: Reviews : Switching to Windows: Not as easy as you think ;)

rawb · #29 (**permalink**) Apr 27, 07

LINUX:
EASY IF YOU DONT DO ANYTHING TOO DRASTIC AND KNOW SOMEONE WHO CAN SET UP THE HARD SHIT FOR YOU

ebbomega · #30 (**permalink**) Apr 27, 07

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Originally Posted by rawb

THAT ONE IS EASY, GET A MAC

YouTube - Why mac sucks

HOW ABOUT ONE THAT DOESN'T COST TWICE WHAT THE HARDWARE'S WORTH?

ebbomega · #31 (**permalink**) Apr 27, 07

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Originally Posted by rawb

LINUX:
EASY IF YOU DONT DO ANYTHING TOO DRASTIC AND KNOW SOMEONE WHO CAN SET UP THE HARD SHIT FOR YOU

And gee, Frosty fits both of those.

You're losing it, man.

rawb · #32 (**permalink**) Apr 27, 07

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebbomega

YouTube - Why mac sucks

HOW ABOUT ONE THAT DOESN'T COST TWICE WHAT THE HARDWARE'S WORTH?

SO YOU DONT WANT TO SIGN A EULA FOR SOME REASON, AND YOU CANT AFFORD $600 FOR A MAC MINI? SOMETHING TELLS ME POOR, PARANOID PEOPLE AREN'T A HUGE MARKET. YOU'RE FUCKED, YOU HAVE TO GO WITH LINUX OR BSD OR SOME OTHER COMMUNE OPERATING SYSTEM.

cubed · #33 (**permalink**) Apr 27, 07

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebbomega

YouTube - Why mac sucks

HOW ABOUT ONE THAT DOESN'T COST TWICE WHAT THE HARDWARE'S WORTH?

not everyone is poor dave.

:)

rawb · #34 (**permalink**) Apr 27, 07

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebbomega

And gee, Frosty fits both of those.

You're losing it, man.

I FIND THE BEST OPERATING SYSTEMS ARE THE ONES THAT WHEN YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING NEW, YOU HAVE TO CALL ONE OF A VERY SMALL GROUP OF FRIENDS TO ASK THEM HOW TO DO IT AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO FUCK UP THE SHIT THEY SET UP FOR YOU. ITS A REALLY WELCOMING EXPERIENCE.

anewlife · #35 (**permalink**) Apr 27, 07

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Originally Posted by rawb

IF ITS BETA SOFTWARE WHY IS IT IN THE FIESTY FAWN REPOSITORY? THAT IS THE CURRENT, STABLE UBUNTU RELEASE THAT I GRABBED IT FROM

WOULDNT UNSTABLE SOFTWARE BE IN A SEPERATE REPOSITORY OR IN THE TESTING RELEASE?

Code:

fishatfishbook:~$ sudo apt-cache policy beryl
beryl:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2
  Version table:
     0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2 0
        500 http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages

It's in the universe repository dude...you know what universe is, right?

Quote:

The universe component is a snapshot of the free, open source, and Linux world. In universe you can find almost every piece of open source software, and software available under a variety of less open licences, all built automatically from a variety of public sources. All of this software is compiled against the libraries and using the tools that form part of main, so it should install and work well with the software in main, but it comes with no guarantee of security fixes and support. The universe component includes thousands of pieces of software. Through universe, users are able to have the diversity and flexibility offered by the vast open source world on top of a stable Ubuntu core.
Please note: universe is not enabled by default when you install Ubuntu, you need to turn it on yourself. Canonical does not provide a guarantee of regular security updates for software found in universe but will provide these where they are made available by the community. Users should understand the risk inherent in using packages from the universe component.

Components | Ubuntu

So what exactly is your problem?

rawb · #36 (**permalink**) Apr 27, 07

NOT HAVING SECURITY FIXES OR SUPPORT IS DIFFERENT FROM BEING FUNDAMENTALLY BROKEN.

Quote:

Originally Posted by anewlife

[code]fishatfishbook:~$ sudo apt-cache policy beryl
beryl:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2
Version table:
0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2 0
500 http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe

YEAH MAN, HOW OFTEN DOES YOUR GRANDMA RUN THAT COMMAND FOR THE FILES SHE INSTALLS? LINUX MAKES EVERYTHING EASY!

anewlife · #37 (**permalink**) Apr 27, 07

Quote:

Originally Posted by rawb

NOT HAVING SECURITY FIXES OR SUPPORT IS DIFFERENT FROM BEING FUNDAMENTALLY BROKEN.

You most definitely have not understood the ubuntu package philosophy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rawb

YEAH MAN, HOW OFTEN DOES YOUR GRANDMA RUN THAT COMMAND FOR THE FILES SHE INSTALLS? LINUX MAKES EVERYTHING EASY!

That command is 2 clicks in Synaptic and 3 clicks in Adept...

I just prefer the commandline, that's all.

rawb · #38 (**permalink**) Apr 27, 07

HOW MANY CLICKS IF YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ADEPT OR SYNAPTIC ARE, WHAT THE PACKAGE NAME OF THE PROGRAM IS, AND SOMEBODY SET UP YOUR DESKTOP FOR YOU?

anewlife · #39 (**permalink**) Apr 27, 07

Quote:

Originally Posted by rawb

HOW MANY CLICKS IF YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ADEPT OR SYNAPTIC ARE, WHAT THE PACKAGE NAME OF THE PROGRAM IS, AND SOMEBODY SET UP YOUR DESKTOP FOR YOU?

Well dude, you'll never have to issue that command. Never.

It's not needed to install software...so I don't see your problem. And the repo is shown anyway (should you care) so you don't really need to click much.

lildonkey · #40 (**permalink**) Apr 27, 07

hahah i always laugh when diehard linux users try and convince everyone that everyday people can just jump into linux and be carefree and extremely happy that they found linux

linux is a 100x harder to operate then windows, and to suggest to a non tech savy guy to jump into linux is retarded.

Grapes · #41 (**permalink**) Apr 27, 07

My eyes glazed over reading this thread.

Gnosis is about a notch or two below me on the tech scale. (used to be 3 or 4, good work Steve!)

Nuff said as far as this relates to original post.

.Promoter · #42 (**permalink**) Apr 27, 07

@ rawb and his nemises

stop arguing about it

especially you anewlife

No matter what there is no way a non computaer savy is going to find linux easier to windows. Theyve grown up on windows and any changes will be confusing, any problems will be confusing..

Fuck the orig poster was confused on what windows genuine advantage was.. how do you think hes gunna react when he faces an issue on linux, which fewer people wou;ld be able to help him with, and potentially could be a serious problem for his likely store bought, windows designed PC.

I would bet hes not running the best of computers.. maybe even one of those windows fired up dells... peices of shit to a gamer like me, but they work great for the average person.

So can we just move on. We obviously know you have a serious preference for Linux / Ubuntu.

Too be honest, if i wasnt a gamer, so would I.

And rawb is obviously a slight fan of linux due to the cost, but still finds windows easier and really thinks your a tool for suggesting some computer illiterate person to install a whole new operating system in lee of a small glitch with automatic donwloads that will fix itself considering he has a legit version of XP.

So everyone shut up and move on.

PS lets close this thread because obviously its off topic.