RIP OiNK

[scue]

British and Dutch police raids shut down the world's largest pre-release pirate music site

[sNyx]

holly fuckin shite, what a horrible morning! !!!!

[decypher]

Yeh what a UK crackdown. The industry isn't going to be able to sustain this litigation forever.

[narc]

OiNK.CD Memorial and Museum and News

[omega_image]

everyone move to costa rica

[dj_soo]

i was actully wondering how oink had stayed under the radar so long

[narc]

Black(pink) Tuesday - October 23rd

[narc]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

i was actully wondering how oink had stayed under the radar so long

well they shut down oink because it was small and vulnerable and had a nice central point of failure

my bf is having a shittiest day of his life

[Wood]

wow huh, i totally couldn't care less

[Senior]

Originally Posted by Wood

wow huh, i totally couldn't care less

you cared enough to post though...

[Wood]

well i'd be happy about it if i thought it actually meant less people would steal music...

[-evil-duerr-]

that'll teach em for banning me!

[.Promoter]

Oink got shut down for releasing PRE RELEASE ALBUMS and TRACKS. Had they not had users who were uploading leaked music they might have stayed under the radar. That is specifically mentioned as being the main purpose of the 2 year dutch police investigation and the british arrests.

*edit*

In the Globe and Mail that is

[esoter1c]

First TVLinks then Oink & now the yousendit thread on fuk.co.uk.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by Wood

well i'd be happy about it if i thought it actually meant less people would steal music...

downloading music is basically pandora's box. once it's opened you can not close it. so for the music industry the only thing to do is move forward.

personally I think that the whole industry will have to start looking at recorded music primarily as a tool for promotion and that money will have to be made by going on tour. without access to downloading music I wouldn't know of 1/10th of the artists that I do. also a successful model is selling merchandise at concerts, t-shirts, limited edition CD's, art work...

[Wood]

^that whole argument has been debunked ad nauseum, i don't even wanna get into it.

[decypher]

RIAA's battle in the US is actually making them lose money so i doubt they'll be able to sustain this witchhunt for longer. The industry has changed so they need to catch up with the user now. The real threat is net neutrality where the data we send/receive is monitored for type and then our service interrupted if it's torrent traffic. In the future they are going to have us charged for different types of data. It's starting to happen in the states already.

[Wood]

^any suggestions on how they should 'catch up' on people illegaly stealing & distributing their products? you make it sound like an easy task.

tour revenue covers TOUR expenses + profit, if you think tours should pay for music production, marketing, distribution, etc... get ready to start paying a whole lot more for concert tickets.

[decypher]

^^I never said finding a solution to filesharing was an easy task. I'm just saying that slapping random people with law suits and taking down file sites isn't going to stop it. They are wasting their money. They have to adjust to a new information economy because their broadcast model isn't working anymore. This isn't going to be easy and it certainly doesn't involve people buying CD's. They will find a new way to make money eventually. Net neutrality will be gone, corporate domination, data mining, subverted marketing, etc. A lot of stuff can be done with that information and no doubt the music industry will catch on sooner or later instead of just of trying to squeeze 200k out of average citizens; it's redundant.

[-evil-duerr-]

Before I was dloading mp3s. I was making duplicates of cassettes and mix tapes. Before that, I was recording movies/tv onto vhs tapes. Before that I was stealing cookies from the cookie jar and blaming my little brother.

The music industry has two options: and it seems like they're well on their way to adapting.


a) sell a product that consumers can't easily steal

or

b) enhance their security (peace out, oink!)

[Wood]

well i can't dispute that music industry trade groups have their heads up their asses as much as anybody in this situation. They're greedy, consumers are greedy, everybody loses.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by Wood

^any suggestions on how they should 'catch up' on people illegaly stealing & distributing their products? you make it sound like an easy task.

tour revenue covers TOUR expenses + profit, if you think tours should pay for music production, marketing, distribution, etc... get ready to start paying a whole lot more for concert tickets.

well I read an interview with Rick Ruben, who just took over Sony Records, and he said a large part of his plan is two make money off placing songs in television and movies. I don't know if that's a long term solution but it might be a good idea for now.

really though what I see is the demise of the major labels. I can't think of any system involving free/cheap downloads that will support private jets and fancy high rise offices in LA. I think that if you had artists selling there albums direct to the consumer via a web site for a small fee you could make money that way. I mean how much money does a band make off selling a $15 CD at a record shop? I imagine there's a whole row of people with their hands out taking a cut and the artist gets maybe a couple bucks. why not just give the artist $2 or $3 for being able to download the album from them directly?

also I know that sites like Torrent Spy make a lot of money off advertising because of the huge volume of traffic they have. the music industry could look at ideas around that. maybe provide free downloads if you watch a 15 second commercial?

the reality though is that one way or another downloading of music is here to stay. whoever comes up with a good way of making money off it is going to be really rich when they do.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by Wood

^that whole argument has been debunked ad nauseum, i don't even wanna get into it.

debunk away sir.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by Wood

tour revenue covers TOUR expenses + profit, if you think tours should pay for music production, marketing, distribution, etc... get ready to start paying a whole lot more for concert tickets.

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