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Old Nov 09, 07
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You can be the most professional worker out there, and the coolest person around - but if people treat you like shit (or to be more polite - not how you 'deserve' to be treated)... then you've done that to yourself.
YEAH, BECAUSE NOBODY IN THE WORKPLACE IS EVER AN ASSHOLE. EVER.

Jesus, you've never worked in an office with more than 25 people before, have you?

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It is a known fact that we as humans are capable of defeating our own purpose... and if things are not going our way, then it's no one else's fault but our own. Sorry but it's true.
No it's not. There's plenty of people out there to get you, make you look bad, undermine your career, because that's the only way that they've found to get ahead in life: politicizing. This is the same theory that Dubya runs off of: If I spend a lot of energy focusing on distracting people into disliking something that isn't me, I win by default.

If you don't think these people exist, you have no freaking concept how the western corporate structure works.
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Old Nov 10, 07
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my favourite was the time firewire shared his profound insights on public masturbation in libraries.

I'm too lazy to dig up the thread. but ya, that one was special.
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Old Nov 10, 07
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Oh please, allow me.

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If you just chill and try to ignore these things, then you won't be feeling as disturbed all the time. You will see a lot more weird and creepy shit in your life, and there's no need to start letting the emotions of the moment ruin your general outlook on life...)

But hey, just so you know - pretty much every guy (mostly growing up and experimenting sexually) has tried to do something in public.
I think I like the first paragraph even better than the "everybody does it" blast.

Just try to relax baby... just go with it.. see where it leads... no need to get emotional, just chill...

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Old Nov 10, 07
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It could easily be just a young thing, since an other younger male staff member had a very difficult time working with him as well. The guy I work with has said "hes new, young and doesn't know how things work around here". But common, ive been in this project for 4 years now. And last year I practically ran it on my own.

I am also aware that many males are less intimidated by women, am I right? For this reason so many male staff have offered to talk to him for me, "just let me talk to him, I wont let him budge"

Before I came in, the guy was working with an other older than 30's
male. From what I hear they had no problems getting along, in fact ppl believed they actually worked really well together.

I have already put my foot down on certain things. I may just go along with my original plans, with out him. But if I do this, I risk burning my bridges and causing more conflict.

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I'm not intimidated by women. How can I be intimidated by something I'm God's gift to?
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Old Nov 10, 07
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^So how can women intimidate men... professionally?
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^So how can women intimidate men... professionally?
clutch 'em by the ballsack and threaten to squeeze incrementally tighter until he submits....

... but in a professional manner....
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clutch 'em by the ballsack and threaten to squeeze incrementally tighter until he submits....

... but in a professional manner....
That means with a friendly courteous smile.
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Old Nov 11, 07
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That means with a friendly courteous smile.
Um, heeelllooooooo? STAPLER?!
(as in please don't take my Swingline)

My advice is to just circumvent them whenever they're being obtuse, make it seem as if they're totally irrelevant to your job (just as they are trying to do to you). This has benefits twofold: 1. It exudes competence & confidence in your skill set. 2. It forces them to be the one to engage you to resolve wok place issues.

My office experience is that people will by and large try and get away with as much as they can until you check them on it, or beat them at their own game.
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Old Nov 11, 07
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Um, heeelllooooooo? STAPLER?!
(as in please don't take my Swingline)

My advice is to just circumvent them whenever they're being obtuse, make it seem as if they're totally irrelevant to your job (just as they are trying to do to you). This has benefits twofold: 1. It exudes competence & confidence in your skill set. 2. It forces them to be the one to engage you to resolve wok place issues.

My office experience is that people will by and large try and get away with as much as they can until you check them on it, or beat them at their own game.
Thanks, this makes sense. I have already started working on "beating them at the job" and putting my foot down about certain things. Last year he put me on some guilt trips about being too realistic and giving up on the change of building a huge program. But as my supervisor told me, thats great if he has a big vision, but he has to be able to carry it on through. I think im just going to say no, but if he wants to do it, than he can proof it to me on his own.
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Old Nov 11, 07
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dosnt matter what age or gender you are you're going to have to deal with difficult people in the workplace so its best not to take things personal

You've definitely got a very good point.

I think it can be harder when you feel like the only reason someone doesn't respect you or what you do is because of what you are and not the work you've done.

Sometimes the best way of dealing with politics like this in the work place is to just keep doing what you do and ignore it. In the sort of situation Rhia is describing, it's obvious the person wants to affirm their superiority over her and break her down. It speaks volumes to the other person when it doesn't break you down or even appear to affect you. If the things he is doing are very subversive and indirect, it's not a good thing to confront anyways. I think a real sign of weakness in the work place is being affected by stuff like this and showing that you are.
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The word "wowmen" in the subject is really starting to bug me.
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Old Nov 11, 07
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The word "wowmen" in the subject is really starting to bug me.
kick some ass grapes!!!
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The word "wowmen" in the subject is really starting to bug me.
WHOA! MAN!

Only put the video ID in between the BB code tags, NOT the full URL!

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Old Nov 11, 07
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kick some ass grapes!!!
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Old Nov 11, 07
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curious, what is it about his behavior that makes you think its related to the fact you are a young female? seems that could be a bit of an assumption on your part. He could very well act that way with a young male, or any other demographic background/classification.
Take a sociology class trust me it's mind blowing

Women constantly face discrimination in the work place because a lot of men (Firewire being a prime example) still have a chauvinistic mentality. A lot of women don't get promotions based on the assumption that they're going to want to raise a family one day and will have to go on maternity leave.
Also, a lot of men still perceive women as inferior because it's a mentality that has existed for centuries; we think we've made progress but we've still got a long way to go.

Especially old timers, they were born into a world where women where still fighting for their rights, this whole concept of equality for women is a pretty new one so a lot of them haven't fully grasped it.

Rhia, the reality is you're working with a guy who feels threatened by the fact that you're younger - he's going to try to disregard you and make you feel small but you need remain consistent, be assertive and remind him in a really polite and discreet way that he has no authority over you since he is your working partner.
Also, it's really strange but when it comes to dealing with certain types of people I find the best way to get my way is to flatter them. Compliment his ideas and then put in your suggestions, he'll be so blindsighted by the fact that his ego is being stroked he'll agree.

I know it's slightly manipulative but there's politics in every work place

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Old Nov 11, 07
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Old Nov 11, 07
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The word "wowmen" in the subject is really starting to bug me.
You let me get away with that for how many days now?

:(

Dam the whole reading theory! Sorry there is no spell check in the titles and it wont let me change it :( :( double sigh
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