the cover of "metro" yesterday

[Alex]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

There's probably almost as many homeless dogs as there are people, per capita. What exactly do you propose we do with them all, Alex? Because so far, if they don't get picked up soon enough from a shelter they get killed.

Putting them down sounds like a good idea.. that goes for the humans also. ;-)

[ebbomega]

Is it lighter to walk on the feet without a soul?

[Alex]

Why burden myself with caring about those who don't care about themselves?

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

Who else would care for this dog, better yet- who else would care for this man? Live and let be!

word.

my cold,black,twisted neo-con grinch-heart is one size bigger now

[mithridate]

Originally Posted by Alex

Why burden myself with caring about those who don't care about themselves?

because if you dont, who will?

you didnt care about yourself when you were a teeny baby, but your parents loved you and cared for you untill you were able to care for yourself.
and alot of old people dont/cant care for themselves.
when you get really really down and you just dont care, it helps when your friends still care about you enough to drag you out of your self pity

COMPASSION!! PEOPLE!!!!!

ps: hahaha i love how its pretty much males vs females on this subject.

[Cdn_Brdr]

Originally Posted by mithridate

COMPASSION!! PEOPLE!!!!!

This is FnK sweetcheeks. Compassion doesn't come around here often.

Originally Posted by Alex

Why burden myself with caring about those who don't care about themselves?

so my cousin, who has schizophrenia, who watches the tv from outside the house so that the tv can't watch him because he doesn't know any better deserves a sub-par lifestyle because he doesnt know any better?

he often goes of his meds, as many schizophrenics do because they think think they are cured(just another part of the disease), and he ends up in less than favorable conditions. he is fortunate and has a family that cares for him but many of the schizophrenics in this city dont.

many of the homeless in vancouver suffer from mental disease. their homes like woodlands and riverview have been closed due to budget cutbacks. as a result, they end up on the street and turn to drugs.

please enlighten me how this is their fault and how they arent victims of circumstance.

[mithridate]

Originally Posted by Avana

please enlighten me how this is their fault and how they arent victims of circumstance.

i agree!
i dont understand how people can judge other people they dont even know

YOU ARE NOT THEM!
you dont know the circumstances and background they come from.
not everyone's minds work the same way as yours or mine.
not everyone has the capabilities to work the same, nor do WE have the capabilitie to work the way they do.

why cant we accept the fact that everyone is not capable of the same things and work with them, rather than against them?

RAWR.
/end rant.
:P

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Alex

Why burden myself with caring about those who don't care about themselves?

Because the general quality, sanitation and all around morale of the city goes down when we just let them wallow. That's the whole reason they introduced Welfare over a century ago.

It's really easy to look down your nose at these people and say "They made their filth, let them sit in it", but it doesn't solve anything. Really it just exacerbates everything.

[Courtney]

Originally Posted by Alex

Oh and btw, there is little to no excuse for someone to be homeless in Canada other than they're a failure at life. I know people who have experienced horrific up bringings and still been successfull. I know others that have been given every opportuinty in nlife and have still failed. The fact remains that regardless of your upbringing, if you're Canadian you have a chance. You might have to try a little harder but you have a chance. If you don't make it in Canada, no matter what you went through, you have failed at life.

Now, on the other hand, I do have sympathy for people in lesser countries that haven't been afforded the opportuinities I have. realistically most people on this planet never even had a fighting chance. That is sad. The extremely poor and homeless in first world nations are just pathetic.

People make you make me so angry!
are you aware that the gap between the rich and the poor is greater in the us than it is in certain 3rd world countries?
Do you think african americans in the south are afforded the same opportunities as white americans in the north?
I DON'T THINK SO!

[impure]

drunk and homeless

it's a way of life

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by Courtney

People make you make me so angry!
are you aware that the gap between the rich and the poor is greater in the us than it is in certain 3rd world countries?
Do you think african americans in the south are afforded the same opportunities as white americans in the north?
I DON'T THINK SO!

You're right about the gap between the rich and the poor, but this isn't about race. Sure racism still exists, some believe will always exist (like in the south), but there is just about enough reverse racism the playing feild is levelled off in many ways.

But this is about the homeless, from the swaggering beggars, to the curled up drug addicts... for short, bums. Still people, yes, that may need support... but the world works in a way where you need to do it on your own feet, or face the consequences.

Some people just don't mind sleeping on the side of an alleyway. There are others that seek help and get to outreach programs that fund alot of their recovery efforts (sometimes all), it works when they meet these non profit groups halfway.

Can you think of any other way it could work without this self-commited attitude?

Anything less just discourages progress, from the society, down to the individual. This sort of progress seems heartless, and it is in many ways, the odd thing is, it won't change until people progress to a more compassionate system.

I have given away change to homeless before, now I only stick to the buskers, and the good ones only at that.

I remember an article maybe half a year ago about a homeless man who was featured on the front page of the newspaper...they did a follow up story on him a few months later.

Turned out this guy was a heroin addict who had a family and rather recently ended up on the street sleeping on a bench at victory square. The man saw the newspaper, it haunted him and made him face his demons. The follow up article was a success story, it was really touching to read that he straightened out his habit and got back in touch to be a good dad with his family, which was a huge thing for him and everyone that helped him on his way that got him a suit and a job were all rooting for him, it happened because he wanted it enough.


Maybe this guy isn't even blazing up his dog...who knows...personally I think that's retarded unless the dog eagerly inhales the second hand smoke already....which some dogs do. In the end, Im not against the homeless having dogs...I think they end up bonding with them by having similar b.o. and both eating out of the garbage can.

[esoter1c]

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Because the general quality, sanitation and all around morale of the city goes down when we just let them wallow. That's the whole reason they introduced Welfare over a century ago.

It's really easy to look down your nose at these people and say "They made their filth, let them sit in it", but it doesn't solve anything. Really it just exacerbates everything.

not to mention its a fuckin shame that one of the wealthiest countries in the world let's their people live like that.

unless you're a sociopath its pretty hard to feel like everyhting is terrific when there's people who live like that.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Courtney

People make you make me so angry!
are you aware that the gap between the rich and the poor is greater in the us than it is in certain 3rd world countries?

actually its not, as a general rule the poorer a country is the more extremethe income inequality is, because there simply is no middle class.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Avana

so my cousin, who has schizophrenia, who watches the tv from outside the house so that the tv can't watch him because he doesn't know any better deserves a sub-par lifestyle because he doesnt know any better?

he often goes of his meds, as many schizophrenics do because they think think they are cured(just another part of the disease), and he ends up in less than favorable conditions. he is fortunate and has a family that cares for him but many of the schizophrenics in this city dont.

many of the homeless in vancouver suffer from mental disease. their homes like woodlands and riverview have been closed due to budget cutbacks. as a result, they end up on the street and turn to drugs.

please enlighten me how this is their fault and how they arent victims of circumstance.

that was good.

[Courtney]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

actually its not, as a general rule the poorer a country is the more extremethe income inequality is, because there simply is no middle class.

ah well, i tried

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

You're right about the gap between the rich and the poor, but this isn't about race. Sure racism still exists, some believe will always exist (like in the south), but there is just about enough reverse racism the playing feild is levelled off in many ways.

YEAH, EVERYTHING IS JUST PEACHY FOR THE NATIVES DOWNTOWN.

[fritz]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

YEAH, EVERYTHING IS JUST PEACHY FOR THE NATIVES DOWNTOWN.

There is no racism involved there. Quite the opposite.

[Grapes]

What is the opposite of racsim, anyways?

[-evil-duerr-]

^ deaf, dumb and blind

[fritz]

Originally Posted by Grapes

What is the opposite of racsim, anyways?

affirmative action, welfare, tax breaks, quotas, subsidized housing, community grants