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Ouch.... BCC strikes again...

This was an email that got forwarded to my ENTIRE office this morning from someone in an office in Alberta.
TO: field is blank, seems like someone got a little BCC happy....

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WE ARE CANADIANS!!!!!

Bruce Allan is on the 2010 Vancouver Olympic Committee and new Canadians (specifically Hindi's/ Indian's) want him fired for his recent comments outlined below:

"Our National Anthem:
I am sorry, but after hearing they want to sing the National Anthem in Hindi - enough is enough. Nowhere or at no other time in our Nation's history, did they sing it in Italian, Japanese, Polish, Irish (Celtic), German, Portuguese, Greek, or any other language because of immigration. It was written in English, adapted into co-founding French, and should be sung word for word the way it was written.The news broadcasts even gave the Hindi version translation which was not even close to our National Anthem.I am not sorry if this offends anyone, this is MY COUNTRY - IF IT IS YOUR COUNTRY SPEAK UP ---- please pass this along . I am not against immigration -- just come through like everyone else. Get a sponsor; have a place to lay your head; have a job; pay your taxes, live by the rules AND LEARN THE LANGUAGE as all other immigrants have in the past -- and LONG LIVE CANADA!'

It's time we all get behind Bruce Allen, and scrap this Political Correctness crap. His comments were anything but racist, but there are far too many overly sensitive 'New Canadians' that are trying to change everything we hold dear.

ARE WE PART OF THE PROBLEM ??? Think about this: If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, will we still be the Country of Choice and still be CANADA if we continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries who have come to live in CANADA because it is the Country of Choice??????
Think about it!
IMMIGRANTS, NOT CANADIAN'S, MUST ADAPT.
It is Time for CANADA to speak up. If you agree ? Pass this along; if you don't agree -- delete it and reap the ill wind because of your complacency!
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It's a valid arguement, presented terribley.

A national anthem is written based on the offical languages of the country. At an offical international event it would be silly to present it any other way.

Expecting different versions at the Olympics to be sung is naive.

And sending this on your work email is just plain stupid.
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It's a valid arguement, presented terribley.

A national anthem is written based on the offical languages of the country. At an offical international event it would be silly to present it any other way.

Expecting different versions at the Olympics to be sung is naive.

And sending this on your work email is just plain stupid.
I couldn't agree more, really.

It just wasn't appropriate to be distributed at work, to hundreds of employees.
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Wood went on a really good rant on ravevic the other day about immigration and adapting to the Canadian culture.

It strikes me as kind of arbitrary that they'd do it in hindi and not farsi or japanese or chinese or vietnamese or any of the other parent languages of immigrants that live in Vancouver.
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im surprised this is even an issue.

i think the only people who care about political correctness are white quilt liberal retards who are too afraid to offend anyone on one side and reactionary ignorant retards who think the other group actually matter.

Everyone in the middle just think their both dicks
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Old Jan 09, 08
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If this country had a native language, it would have to be from a aboriginal community/culture. To be honest I have more and more patient with ppl who have a hard time communicating in english. I dont know why, but I guess its just the magic of our country. Unless you're aboriginal, we are all immigrants with an other background out side of Canada.

I can really get annoyed with all this political correctness. We've created such a free liberal nation, yet someone always seems to get offended.

Our nation is still growing and diverseing in culture. Just because the English and French where the first to settle here shouldn't mean that their culture should be the bases of our nation.
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It's a valid arguement, presented terribley.

A national anthem is written based on the offical languages of the country. At an offical international event it would be silly to present it any other way.

Expecting different versions at the Olympics to be sung is naive.

And sending this on your work email is just plain stupid.
for the national anthem I can see his point. unless hindi or chinese or some other language becomes an official language of Canada then we don't sing our anthem in that language. end of story.

the reason that Bruce Allen gets labeled as being racist though is because of his "us and them attitude." in Canada their is only "us" as we are a multi cultural nation. we are all Canadian, end of story.so when he says that immigrants need to come here and learn to fit in or go home he is just wrong. immigrants have every right to keep their cultures and still live here as Canadians. that said almost every immigrant that I know makes an effort to learn the language as it's pretty to hard to get by without doing so.
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and just for the record I'd describe myself as very liberal yet I could give a fuck about insulting some one else with my views. freedom of speech biatch!!!
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If this country had a native language, it would have to be from a aboriginal community/culture. To be honest I have more and more patient with ppl who have a hard time communicating in english. I dont know why, but I guess its just the magic of our country. Unless you're aboriginal, we are all immigrants with an other background out side of Canada.
That is a valid point, but as opinonated as Bruce Allen is, he has a very valid point. At no time has the Canadian government made moves to appease other immigrating nations. Why should they now? I'm a 4th generation Canadian on one side of my family and a 1st generation on the other side. Not once has the Portuguese side of my family been up in arms about cultural issues they faced when moving here.

They adapted.

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I can really get annoyed with all this political correctness. We've created such a free liberal nation, yet someone always seems to get offended.
Political Correct backlash has hit an all time high. This has to do with the "Nurture over Nature" mentality that society as a whole has adopted. People have come to expect everything to be handed to them, not only with immigration but also with schooling, work and various other things.

Life is rough, buy a helmet.

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Our nation is still growing and diverseing in culture. Just because the English and French where the first to settle here shouldn't mean that their culture should be the bases of our nation.
By all means I fully believe in Canada's Mosaic of a nation. I find it much more settling then the United States' homogenized Melting Pot. Separate identities and cultures are a basis for modern Canada. But you're forgetting that the French and English were the ones who founded this country.

You don't see nations like Argentina switching their national anthems to either Italian or German which make up a huge percentage of the existing populace.

When is enough, enough?

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Anyone else come into this thread thinking it was about Boot Camp Clik?
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no.

now move along.
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That email requires a:
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haha. Our national anthem wasn't even written in English.
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haha. Our national anthem wasn't even written in English.
+1 for actually knowing that!
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Old Jan 10, 08
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I studied it last year. I also wrote an arrangement of it for solo guitar (classical).

It's strange that it's not common knowledge that it was actually a French folk song. And that the English lyrics don't mean the same thing as the French lyrics... but I didn't even know that until I studied it.

To be honest. I don't even know O Canada in English. When I had to sing it everyday in high school, it was the bilingual version. At Senators and 67's games, same thing. However, I know all the words in French.

Back on topic (Sort of. I'm not going to address the improper way that email came across. It's pretty obvious it was inappropriate) :
There's a Native version I discovered. Not actually sure which dialect. Sorry, I don't know much about Native-Canadian Bands/Tribes. That seems acceptable to me. They were here first. They should be allowed to make their own translation of the anthem. However I draw the line for anything beyond that.

If I move to another country... I wouldn't expect them to have a version of their anthem in English, specifically for me. I would rather hear it in their language, and learn it in that language. What the point of moving to another country if you want everything to be the same as the country you're already in!?
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Old Jan 10, 08
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unfortunately, garbage like that bring out underlying hatred.
i bet the majority of brown bros have no desire to hear the anthem in anythin other than english.
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