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And as a side note, a 600 person poll generally has results that rank in around a +/- of 3-4% (I was forced to take statistics in school). Quote:
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But, what does this have to do with anything? 
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so when are you going to start the "I hate Canada" thread?
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And I am registered to vote. I think I mentioned in another thread that the Conservatives are pretty much guaranteed >70% of the vote in my riding, so I can't be bothered to mail in a ballot.
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And as someone who actually works in broadcasting and has to be framiliar with what you can say over broadcasts as part of my job, in order to get hit by that law you basically have to be an idiot. A simple racist comment doesn't normally bring down the laws (although the station will always applogize if it happens). You basically have to air a show with the subject "Muslims and Gays should be shot on sight, here's why..." As a side note, I would rather live in a country where "freedom of speech without inciting hatred or violence to a race or religion" is practiced. I haven't had the urge to encourage my fellow citizen to rise up against the gay community as of late. And the alternative is living in the states, where groups like the KKK can exist and demand government funding as well as the right to have parades through the city spouting hatred.
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The Western Standard Magazine being shut down for re-posting the Danish Cartoon the caused outrage by the european muslim groups(depicting the prophet mohammad with a turban/bomb inside) because it 'deeply offended' Canadian muslims. It's important because at this time it was big media attention on the subject, but it had never been duplicated in Canada to see what the fuss was over. I'm not religous, but why is it 'freedom of speach' when artists depict Jesus as say, a homo sexual(I believe that was at a Toronto art gallery but may be wrong) but hate speach when Allah is depicted as a terrorist, but not even as the poster's opinion or beliefs, but simply not notify readers what all the attention around the subject is about!
The pastor in Alberta being ordered that he's not allowed to talk about homosexuality, or discuss it with anyone at his church or to the media. Again I have nothing wrong with homosexuals, I have a few gay friends. However, I know the Christian religion and I know that it is in the bible that it is a huge sin. By telling a pastor he can't preach what's in the bible not only goes against freedom of speach, but freedom of religion as well. How many other cases have been passed in canada allowing individuals to circumvent Canadian laws due to freedom of religion? How is this case different? We live in a society that feels 'permanent guilt' and the subject in question is a Christian Pastor from Alberta. As I stated before the case with the Ontario Human Rights commission. The officer hacked in to a wireless connection at a neighbouring Apartment building, and found a 'White Supremacist' web site based in Canada. After searching through the site and finding nothing that him and his bosses believed to be 'inciting hate' the officer made an account on the site and started 'stirring the pot' by making his own hateful comments. When others started agreeing, the OHRC shut down the web site, and are charging the registered owner. This is the same officer who said on trial he gives 'no weight' to freedom of speach. Maclean's Magazine and Mark Steyn were recently taken to 3 different CRC's by the CIC(Canadian Islamic Congress). I believe it's official that all 3 have now thrown out the cases, but a CIC spokesman was quoted as saying his organization will 'continue to use the HRC tribunals as the appropriate court, until sufficient news space is provided to them to express their views and interests(uhhhh what's stopping them from founding a newspaper and building a reader base?) until a time comes a judge may find a publications actions were hateful, and award them to pay millions in damages' Just a broad threat to the media from 'soft jihadists'. Now let's talk about what the HRC's AREN'T investigating... The CAF(Canadian Arab Federation) recently launched an essay contest for young Arabic teens. I believe the first prize was in excess of 50000 or something ridiculous. The topic of choice was for the best explanation of how the attacks on Sep 11 were a conspiracy by the Jews and israel to frame Arabs and muslims and garner sympathy for their own cause. How is that not likely to incite hate? Last edited by Alex; Oct 10, 08 at 10:16 AM.
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Oh and what about the Comedian who was doing a stand up show right here in Vancouver. He started getting heckled by a pair of woman, so he started insulting them back. They became more aggressive with their heckling, and he made fun of them for being lesbian's(which they were). Now the comedian and bar face a BCHRC tribunal. How is making fun of heckler's for being lesbian's inciting hate? So now a comedian can't comment on members of the crowd? What if they'd been fat and he insulted them for that would the law still apply? I mean honestly if you're going to go to a comedy show and heckle the comedian, don't expect him to be too nice in return.
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Now let's talk about what the HRC's AREN'T investigating... The CAF(Canadian Arab Federation) recently launched an essay contest for young Arabic teens. I believe the first prize was in excess of 50000 or something ridiculous. The topic of choice was for the best explanation of how the attacks on Sep 11 were a conspiracy by the Jews and israel to frame Arabs and muslims and garner sympathy for their own cause. How is that not likely to incite hate?[/quote]
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-The magazine was shut down as the case was investigated. Kind of hard to start back up after being shut down for a period of time... money issue and such that wasn't compensated.
-He said homosexuality is a sin, and they would be punished in hell. I don't agree, but that's clearly defined in the bible... Freedom to religion and speach.... -Until this became huge news in the media, the head of the Ontario Human Rights commission(maybe the CHRC can't remember) defended the officer. She(stupid woman, short hair.. forget her name) defended the officer non stop until the media ran with it and the public started getting outraged. What's the problem? The problem is the defendant's are left with the hassle of being taken to court. The time lost, the stress went through, and don't forget the financial burden of hiring a lawyer. CHRC's simply 'throw out the case' or rule in favour of the defendant, but don't award any compensation. That's the point. The CIC is bringing up frivolous cases with out any repercussions. It's free for them as they don't have to hire lawyers, and the cost/burden is put on the defendant. I can't even begin to understand how you don't view this as a corrupt broken system.
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"I'm sick and tired of east indians in this city, I they have ruined several municipalities, I encourage everyone to show their issues by showing this cancer on society that they aren't welcome in this city. Boycott all their stores, and if you have the oprotunity, cause them as much physical harm as possible and rape their children". Thank god I have this right. As a side note the magazine was not shut down. The revenue they claim they lost was from the fact stores wouldn't stock the magazine. And it was never a huge seller to begin with (when have you heard of the magazine before this incident). Can you name this pastor, because I'm thinking of a different case then. As far as the Ontario thing goes, I believe I was on here condeming them when it happend. It is hardly a corupt system, because even with your examples it's freedom of speech, unless you are inciting hatred on race or religions. If you want the american system, should I pull examples of times that the american Freedom of speech was used to incite racial crimes against people and used as a way to justify hate crimes against religions. Because I can assure you there are a lot more deaths then, annoying investigations here.
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To be honest I'd heard of the magazine, I lived in Alberta for the majority of my life where I guess it was most popular, but I had never seen or read it.
Their's a huge difference between inciting hate and making a statement that could be interpreted as causing offense to a group. The way this has progressed has left the door open to keep shifting, for the definition to become more broad, until we cant say anything about anybody. Frivolous cases should have all costs and burdens, in addition to the possibility of a counter suit for lost time/wages and slander induced by the case, placed on the individual or group who brought up the complaint.
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You look like John Belushi but without any of the funny.
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She dropped the gauntlet. She made some weak remark about how I reminded her of a geeky bartender, so I commented on her picture. She opened herself up for it, and other people must feel the same way because I received a few 'good karma' for that remark.
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