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Jul 17, 03
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Soy Products/Tofu
I've been relying on these products for quite some time, mainly because i'm vegetarian but also because they're actually quite good.
But, recently I've been hearing a lot of talk about how they're actually unhealthy and too much soy is bad for you/causes cancer. I'm questioning the validity of all these rumours because it would be a shame if they were true. If anyone knows anything about soy products, or has come across any articles stating that they may cause cancer can you please post here.. i'd really appreciate some information. 
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Jul 17, 03
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everything seems to be carcinogenic now a days. but I'm willing to bet I could probably dig up a shit load of research articles that are saying the exact opposite of what you've been hearing.
and even if it were true, a lot of the studies are probably correlational (NOT causational) and even if it wasn't, how would you know if it wasn't additives or chemicals put into it during processing that are the carcinogens? --Joanne :P
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Jul 17, 03
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^ I eat a lot of tofu too but all of this talk has influenced my mom to STOP buying me soy products.
I'm not fond of legumes... eggs disguist me although I will eat them once in a blue moon just for their nutritional value.. I just need to do some research to prove to my mom that these products are beneficial. I don't want to be stuck eating salads for the rest of the time that I live with my parents, I mean I do cook my own meals on occasion but she'll probably through out any tofu or veggie burgers that I buy after hearing this information. I had some problems earlier this year December-January because I wasn't planning out my meals properly, I was always tired, my hair started falling out, I was getting sick every second week and I was so pale. I definetly wasn't getting enough iron or vitamin B12, etc. But now, finally I have it all planned out and this stupid information is going to screw everything up :finger: this makes me so angry.
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Jul 17, 03
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I (L) soy milk
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Jul 17, 03
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I found lots of good info just by searching altavista for soy + cancer
the proven stuff seemed to be goos and the speculated stuff was a little all over the place I say bring on the tofu! Tofu Enlisted In The Fight Against Cancer So long, chicken. Hello tofu. Tofu and a host of other products made from the mighty soybean are pushing aside meat, milk and even ice cream on grocery store shelves these days as scientists rave about the health benefits of soy. Most recently, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration cleared the way for food companies to include labels that say eating 25 grams a day of soy protein, when included in a diet low in saturated fat and cholesterol, ``may reduce the risk of heart disease.'' Soy protein boosts good cholesterol and sweeps bad cholesterol out of the body before it can clog arteries. But that's old news in the scientific community. What drew 600 scientists to a conference on soy in Washington, D.C., on Oct. 31 were the intriguing new findings on the cancer-fighting properties of isoflavones, a plant-based form of the hormone estrogen that is unique to the soybean. Isoflavones appear to help strengthen bones, reduce the unpleasant symptoms of menopause and, most importantly, control how quickly cells replicate, which could be beneficial in preventing the out-of-control cell growth associated with cancer. The National Cancer Institute recently listed genistein, the main isoflavone in soy, as one of four ``superior'' anti-cancer agents. Isoflavones also are showing real potential as a supplement for hormone replacement therapy in post-menopausal women and as a bone-fortifying agent to help guard against osteoporosis. When Mark Messina, a respected authority on soy products and adjunct professor of nutrition at Loma Linda University, started studying soy at the National Cancer Institute in the late 1980s, there were roughly a dozen scientific papers on the topic and tofu, the only soy product readily available, was a specialty item tucked away in health food stores. ``Now everybody's talking about soy and cancer, soy and menopause and all these things,'' Messina said. ``You see television commercials advertising soy supplements for hot flash relief and prostate health. Kellogg's announced recently that it's coming out with a soy cereal. It's clearly very interesting and intriguing, and that's why a lot of people are talking about it. And industry is responding with an amazing array of products.'' But that doesn't mean everyone should run out and stuff themselves with tofu. ``The evidence is really intriguing,'' said Messina, whose 1994 National Cancer Institute report on soy as a potential cancer fighter is considered a cornerstone of the current explosion in research. ``But one thing is clear: We have a long way to go before we can speak in a conclusive manner about any of this stuff.'' Take breast and prostate cancers. There is intriguing evidence that men who drank isoflavones in soy milk had less risk of developing prostate cancer, but the results are more mixed when it comes to breast cancer. One study found a combination of the soy-based soup additive miso and the anti-cancer drug tamoxifen reduced breast cancer tumors in lab rats, while there were no changes in rats who only got the drug. But, according to Dr. Claude Hughes, director for the Center for Women's Health at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, another study hints that isoflavones might actually stimulate cancer cell growth in post-menopausal women with low estrogen levels. Hughes is also lead investigator on another study that found a diet high in soy actually can trigger subtle changes in the development of a fetus. Are those changes good or bad? There's potential both ways, and right now no one can say for certain which one will prevail, Hughes said. The problems are complex because people's bodies change with age, so a diet high in soy might be beneficial at one age and detrimental at another. ``What do you do?'' Hughes said. ``Well, if you're a man or woman in your 40s and you're not planning to make babies, having a few servings of soy foods per week is a good idea. If you are a 28-year-old woman who is actively trying to get pregnant, the advice is very simple: Eat a broad-based diversified diet. Be a grazer. Don't eat huge quantities of anything. Don't be a cheeseburger junkie. Don't be a tofu junkie. Just move around. Eat a little bit of everything.'' The effects of soy are so mild it won't make much of a difference for anyone when consumed in moderation. Messina said it takes roughly 60 milligrams of isoflavones a day -- about two glasses of soy milk -- to get the potential anti-cancer benefits of soy. It takes four soy entrees to get enough soy protein to help ward off heart disease. More definitive answers are coming. The prostate cancer and child development studies were published in the last three weeks, about the same time the FDA finally approved the new soy labeling rules. Messina said where there were only a dozen published studies on the topic in 1985, there are now more than 2,000. Hundreds of scientists around the globe are turning their microscopes to soy in search of ways to prove or disprove its cancer-fighting ability or its benefit as a natural alternative to hormone replacement therapy. Good science requires patience. Messina notes that the first scientific paper of the heart health benefits of soy protein was published in 1967, but it took more than two decades for scientists -- and ultimately the marketplace -- to catch on. And that was easy. Checking cholesterol is as simple as pricking a finger and drawing a blood sample. Cancer is more enigmatic, elusive and influenced by a host of variables scientists are only beginning to understand. ``We know soy protein lowers cholesterol, but pretty much most of the other effects are speculative,'' Messina said. ``There is a lot of research, but it takes a lot before you can really know something with any certainty. I can tell you there wouldn't be the enthusiasm and excitement about soy foods if they were only a good source of protein that's low in saturated fat. Obviously, people are hoping it is a lot more than that. And only time will tell.'' Messina and Hughes agree that consumers should embrace soy products as part of a balanced diet, but not overdo it -- an American tradition. Soy protein and isoflavones are a good addition to a healthy lifestyle but will never be that proverbial magic bullet against disease. ``Instead of looking for magic, maybe we should look for wisdom,'' Hughes said. ``And the wisdom is to take advantage of sets of interventions which, hopefully in some additive way, will be robust in sum total.'' Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles is seeking women experiencing ``hot flushes'' -- also known as hot flashes -- for a study of soy-based phytoestrogen's role in moderating the unpleasant symptoms that mark the onset of menopause. The hospital's Center for Women's Health is one of 17 sites conducting a national study of phytoestrogens, which show promise as a treatment without the side effects of progestin, a hormone replacement therapy drug.
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Jul 25, 03
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we went over this yesterday * i think * as our brains ran in drug circles...
" i'm not a vegetarian because i love animals. I'm a vegatarian cuz i hate plants " :finger: that and... no one dies from old age anymore. it wasn't even a century ago where people were droppin like flies at the ripe old age of 60 <--(you know what i mean)and it was just called "living to a ripe old age" . now-a-days, if you're cenile <sp?> or old, you don't just die. you die from liver failure, or heart failure, or some other sort of kinky shit that medicine has labeled. everything is bad for ya. you're fucked if you do. you're fucked if you don't. why not enjoy and indulge. unless you actually have a serious (i'll leave the pun out....BEEF) issue with meat like religion or it makes ya shit not fun stuff for a week, remember, not only do i, but every animal i know goes out of it's way to piss on what you eat. oh ya, for all those people out there afraid of catching diseases and germs from meat therefore switching them to the vegetarian side, listen up: 1. if you smoke and you get anxiety attacks from meat germs... ya...enough said. and most important and actually relevant.anyone actually reading this on this board. You're a FUCKING RAVER. you dance in an over-heated closed environment with several hundred sweaty motherfucker, who have probably shared their water bottle with at least one other individual and, for the non-sober ones out there, who have either stuck mind altering drugs up their rectum, nasal cavity, stomach, lungs or whatever other hole they could shove something into. you know what? with the amount of drugs that go into most of you, myself included, germs are probably working their microscopic asses off just attempting to get past the drug induced sweat film that has coated your skin. shame on you for being so selfish wew...the goat has ranted. :moon:
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Aug 01, 03
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I'm just surprised at how much fat tofu has... I'm an omni, but I don't like eating visible fat or fried foods, or anything with oils and such in it.
I look at all labels. Tofu has quite a bit of fat in it. But, again, my opinions are subjective. Duh. ;)
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Aug 02, 03
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^ That has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.. I was asking for information regarding any links between tofu/soy products and cancer.
I was not asking about the fat content in tofu, I'm aware of how much fat tofu has. You're an omnivore why don't you go check out all of the saturated fat you consume in animal products.
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Aug 02, 03
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also, you should take into account that some fatty acids are essential to our diet (ie. linoleic and linolenic acid). --Joanne :P
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