Shooting @ Loft Six last night

[PHUNK]

the law, now theres a joke. yeah, they know whats right.

[Akeel]

Originally posted by sNyx™
because law can deside if the lifes of the innocent are at jepordy. also reading my prior posts, I should have been more clear.. innocents comes into play when I was talking about nobody being deserving. finally nobody has the right to determine the outcome of a life, wheather they deserve it or not. thats saved for law who does have the right to deside, over time or within the second.

if your talking about capital punishment....that doesnt exist in Canada and only a few american states (texas for one, i cant remember the others)

The law should be a representation of what that society believes is just and fair. The people that make up that society determine what the laws will be. So people/society are determining who will live or die. In the states where there is capital punishment and when it was in Canada (i think up until the 1970's?); punishment is delivered by a Judge. One person deciding if you should be imprisoned...or be put to death.

Laws have and will always be a reflection of what the majority of people in a society believe (ideally of course). Thats why we dont have the death penalty anymore.

In addition, the death penalty is never swift or "in a second". The entire process takes years (with appeals, changing circumstances, etc). And by the time someone has finally been executed, its costs taxpayers millions of dollars.

Anyways enough of the lesson (heh i just felt like schoolin' ya myles!)....bottom line I agree with Hot Karl and this is why. Picture this scenario:

Some thug kills a loved one.

Changes perspective a bit eh?

[Sh4n3]

i was just talking with someone i know at a party last night and one of the guys killed was his buddy. he was pretty choked up.

so the jist of the story is there was a little "business" going down... these guys are there to make sure the transaction goes smoothly,but when it gets a little outta hand and one guys pulls out a gun and goes nuts.

[sNyx]

Originally posted by Akeel
In addition, the death penalty is never swift or "in a second". The entire process takes years (with appeals, changing circumstances, etc). And by the time someone has finally been executed, its costs taxpayers millions of dollars.

ah.. but the death penalty does exist, and can be desided within a split second. picture the judge a cop, the jury his partner.. the man with a gun is jepordising innocent lifes. so what happens? he's shot and killed. it doesnt matter where in the world you are, but that man was just sentanced to death within a split second, schooled.

[Akeel]

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yeah hardly, stop watching Judge dredd.

basically your saying any cop can kill someone if they want too...i dont even wanna begin with whats wrong with that picture. Just take a look at the LAPD, nuff said.

[sNyx]

uhhh no I didn't say that at all.. I clearly pointed out that "the man with a gun is jeopardizing innocent lives." in such a case the police have to use their judgment on the situation. they then become the judge and jury, and the mans trial starts with "drop the weapon" and ends with shots or an arrest. how many gun wielding maniacs who are shot by the police live? that's capital punishment right in the streets is it not?

btw I have been wanting to watch judge dredd for so long.

[Akeel]

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no thats excessive use of force.

[sNyx]

he is waving a gun around and threating to shoot someone.. "excuse me mr.maniac could you please stop that.."

[Akeel]

^^^
police have what are known as less than lethal weapons.
bean bag projectiles, etc

[sNyx]

Originally posted by Akeel
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police have what are known as less than lethal weapons.
bean bag projectiles, etc

in some prepaied situations yeah true. but on average the only thing a cop has is whats on their hip.

[rawb]

a cop is given powers by the state to be able to use deadly force at his discretion.

the two things a cop can kill for, simplified, are the two most important things to the state.

1) the state's infrastructure.
2) the lives of the state's citizens.

i would call the police killing a man more of a self defence of the state than capital punishment, since capital punishment relies on the idea that a man's peers can decide if he lives or dies. remember that a police officer is accountable for who he kills, whereas the jury can't be called in for murder if a executed man is innocent.

but yeah miles is pretty much right.

[Akeel]

a cop killing an offender does not constitute capital punishiment or the law dishing out justice.

thats the point i was trying to make....and i'm tired of typing. :P

[sNyx]

wrd rawb, good points
and I always enjoy being cleared up

my thoughts are usually all over the place

[Akeel]

this was probably the most intellectual debate i've ever had on fnk.
good times :)

who's up for judge dredd?

[rawb]

EVERYONE WINS!

YAYHOORAY!

[Hot Karl]

lol.

[sNyx]

hummm, rawb wanna host a fnk sumber night?