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Jun 11, 04
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Is there a God? just rambling...
Do you believe in God?
I don't believe in God. I think man created "God" to describe something that has no answers. That's just my opinion. It makes me sick when people blame everything on "GOD", and when they say that "God loves us". That's just how I feel. ( No offence to any religios ppl on this board) I dont have anything against religious people, but sometimes they talk about RELIGION and GOD way too much... like those pilgrims who knock on my door. Besides, what triggered wars and terrorism? I think RELIGION did. For some reason, I get angry at those who turn to god for answers... or simply to be forgiven. BS! No church can make you a better person! There must be some logical explanation for things that happen on Earth. A lot of people think that when you attend a church, or a mosque.. or even a temple... you automatically become a good citizen. Well, that's also BS! And a STUPID excuse. Yes. Thats what I think. I think "GOD" is just an excuse. An excuse used to get away from problems... to avoid the problems. 
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Well personally I believe two things contrary to that. God does exist, there is proof of that in every aspect of life. However God is not a white old man living in the clouds watching us every day. Most major religion confirm to an egotistical human belief that God must be not only of likeliness to us, but he must also ( chauvinistically ) be male.
You can't become jaded however and suddenly think because of the terrible historical things that have been done in the name of "faith" , "god", and "religion" that God does not exist. Take water for example, it's an everyday thing that shows interesting evidence. It's a very simple substance, just two hydrogen atoms attached to an oxygen one. However water unlike anything else on earth does something very interesting right before it freezes: it expands. What's unique about this feature? Well if it didn't expand it wouldn't rise to the top of a sea level, which would ultimately kill all creatures evolving inside. During the early stages of Earth, when single celled organisms begin forming in the sea's and lake's, there would have been a halt to all existence if water froze normally and killed off the life within. Because of this little tribute, life was capable of evolving during ice ages, and periods of extreme low temperature. It seems to be an almost brilliantly designed system, where if it didn't work, nothing would exist. Water is simply one little element in a multiplex of constructed existence that we call the known universe. You can believe that all these things occur randomly, which statistically is an odd which would require more digits then there is space in the known universe ( Steven Hawking figure ). Or the more probable mathematical assumption that it was designed, as it shows definitions of a constructed reality. An interested book ( and Canadian none-theless ) is "Calculated God" which is a fiction novel that tells a story. But explores the possibility of God's existence on earth through a lot of interesting research.
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i believe in a greater power...i believe in the universe. Not so much as one person is God, but that God, is the universe. It is what surrounds us, the rocks, and the trees, everything thats natural and supernatural, beyond our little planet.
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I don't believe in a "God" persay, but I DO believe that anyone who thinks that humankind is the "be-all, end-all" in the universe has issues and is EXTREMELY arrogant. I believe in a higher power, which for the sake of simplicity here, I'll refer to as God.
I also don't believe in organized religion, because that was created by humans and humans are fallible. Even if "the word" was passed by God to humans, I'm sure we fucked it up somehow. The concept of a God (or as it used to be, GodDESS) is as old as humankind. I think the old Goddess woshippers had it right in the sense that I don't believe that God can be praised in a building made by our imperfect hands. I feel God when I'm out in nature or when I see the mountains or when I'm up at the Rainbow falls in Harrison by my boyfriend's cabin. God made all of that, and us (even if we did evolve, which I ALSO believe in. ;)). It's mind boggling. There is no way that millions of years ago some primordial sludge just HAPPENED to slime itself together to create the first proteins. There had to be the hand of devine intervention. I dunno...I'm rambling now...All I have to say is this: The next time you're out camping or just walking around in Stanley Park, think about how everything got here...It's pretty incredible. :)
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There is no God, and there is no higher power, other then the power within every individual. My Dad used to say that I am God...Now that I am not a kid anymore, I finally understand that he actually meant that I am my own God, the Creator of my life. And while some might say that God gives us choices that is why we feel like we own our lives, the truth is we ourselves create those choices, and very often we choose before we create them. Well, it's one of those topics that really touch me, but I'll stop right here...
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My beliefs are hard to describe, but I'll give it a shot.
I believe that there is probably a higher power somewhere, that humans are not the highest form of being in this universe. Life, creation, evolution - whatever you want to call it, is too perfectly balanced to have just suddenly and spontaniously come together one day. However, I do not believe in any specific being, nor actively worship anything. If there is a higher power, I don't think we would have been created just to give worship & praise.
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God = literally EVERYTHING (That's what I figure, at least)
we have god in us, so do the trees, the land, things we make/build, etc. (like The Force) God defies any explanation.. a perfect explanation of God can not exist, cos as soon as we try to explain it, we filter it and lose some of it. But, since God = Everything, ANY explanation of God you can come up with is technically true, to a point. Everyone wins!
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But talking seriously:
Every answer en route for this question is totally subjective. I personally do not believe in God (hence: the “I am god” ridicule) – not because I think there subsists a better explanation, but because I was born into a strictly atheist family. Logically, I was persuaded to mock any beliefs about “supernatural powers”. However I do believe that people that do believe in God, live a happier life. This is not because God reaches down for them, but rather because they have something to hold on to. Something priceless, and prosperous of everything. No one can really penalize, or judge you for what you believe in… so it comes natural if one prays to a ‘God’ 14 hours a day. God exists if you want it to exist, and not if you don’t believe it so. Either way, you WILL come up with an explanation (for yourself) of how everything is formed, and why.
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Finally.. time to express myself :)
I have no belief in God or any higher power. I believe in science purely and I see very little room for God there. Now I have no problem with people being religious. If you wanna believe in God, fine and dandy by me. But the people who make me sick are the bible thumping assholes who are always preaching about God. So many things just doesnt make sense... Why did he create Earth and then wait billions of years to make us? I dunno. Why put dinosaurs first? If Adam and Ever were the first two people, and they were both white, where did Indians, chinese and blacks come from? Some sort of evolution.. oh wait.. the church doesnt believe in that. Maybe muatations perhaps? [Note: I'm not being racist here]. Tons of things just dont seem to add up here. I could write a book about arguments against God, but I'm lazy and dinner is ready so I'll leave it at that.
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I don't know... I see a huge hole in the theory that one day, suddenly billions of tiny particals came together one day and created the earth, or life itself.... Everyone has their own ideas, beliefs & "proofs". Every point is valid, because any or none of them could be true. I don't think man will ever really know the answer.
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im buddhist
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The thing we gotta be asking is.. Ok... so where did God start? Someone just up n said. Lets just start tellin people about this God guy. No one could have met god, nor could the idea just have popped up. Someone must have thought it up. God created the world in 7 days? Was someone there to witness that? Hell no.
Another interesting thing... Go ask a hard core bible thumper about other religions.. "Oh, those people are wrong. God is the only one." You go ask the other religions about God. "Oh, Christians are stupid crazy people, there is no Christian God, only our Gods. They are wrong." Talk about ignorance. Well they both can't be right. Sooo.. perhaps.. oh my... is it possible that they are both wrong. I think so.
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Wow... a lot of good posts in here.
Thank you for responding. I dont mean to offend anybody. I just wanna state what I think::::: There isnt any higher power for me. And it's very hard to accept that there might be. I think Jesus was a fictional character, and frankly... there isnt much evidence of God's existence. I think we are not the only living things in this universe... because the universe doesnt end...does it? It goes on and on, and nobody knows what is out there. Maybe there was life on other planets? Who knows. yes. those who believe in god are much happier but they're not very logical, or realistic. I think having "religion" as a part of our lives makes us more ignorant and selfish. Look what Catholic church is saying about same-sex marriage...they say it's "immoral". All of us will be equal without, you know, so many different religions. And lets be honest here, NOBODY ( I cannot stop generalizing) ..I say NOBODY follows the teachings of their religion all the time. It's impossible. Maybe Jesus did exist, but what if he was mentally ill? It's really hard to tell whether or not God exists. I agree with PHOTONIC. That's exactly what I think about pilgrims, and everything. When I was a kid i used to think that I was GOD. I dont know. The Bible didnt make any sense to me. It was like a fictional story. Anyway, I'm gonna stick to SCIENCE and real facts. Last thing to say: Human Beings will die out one day like the Dinosaurs. :276:
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why would you say same-sex marriage should be promoted? (i have nothing against the homosexuals, but am pointing out a fact.. randomly)
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I dont know. I am anti-religious. I am also an artist, and that means I hate orders or anything that has to do with orders, teachings, and following what the books say. I have to have COMPLETE FREEDOM. I think that is the most important element in our world. For me, Religion= the opposite of FREEDOM... But I dont hate people who are religious or whatever.... so PLEASE do not get Offended.... And speaking of homosexuals, I think gays and lesbians should have the same right as heterosexuals. Traditional Marriage is promoted, well, so should Gay marriage. There's nothing wrong with that. This is a GOOD THING.
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well i disagree.
religion is not all about 'following a book'. There are guidelines, and advice: however, it is still up to you to decide upon your actions. as i said, im an atheist (not anti-religious) - and i used to think like you. few months ago, i read the bible and now I can atleast see why people worship the god whom they do. as for homosexuals: the bible, and the catholic church argues that it is not a natural way amongst relationships between people - (that is breeding, mostly).
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Ahh...ive been waiting for one of these posts,
I beleive god is real as well as a "myth" in a sence there is really NO other logical reason as to why were here....we werent just PUT here.....placed here with no source or reason as to why or how but on the other hand i personally have NO reason as to why i SHOULD believe in god.....i mean just because some person translated a book means i should have all holy faith....no im ok on that one thanks..... i have my own beliefs...i believe there is some sort of religious reason as to why were here and why things are the way they are but my spirituality is based around karma....and what u give is what u will recieve....and in all honestly i belive this through personal experiance but yet......i respect everyones opinion on god weather it be posative or negative.....everyone has a right to their belief....and way deep down inside i too can belive that there is a greater power......
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OK, people, as I've said before religion is a very sensitive topiv for me...I made myself stop typing, but no-o-o-o you HAD to start about gay people. Here is what I have to say:
As for religion, Jesus very well could be a real man. He could be crazy, but very persuasive OR... It could be that every story from the bible is meant to teach something but doesn't describe anything literally. For example, when it says Jesus return sight to a guy it actually means there was a guy who was very selfish and didn't want to "see" anybody else's troubles. Jesus talked to the guy and made him realize that being selfish is not a good thing. The guy screamed " Thank you, Jesus, you opened my eyes!", and people made a story about that. BTW, did you know that first people were black and so was Jesus? So much for "white people are the norm", turns out we (white people) are mutated Africans. Religions are good for people mostly, but...what I hate the most is people that go to church and still are liers, rascists and generally "assholes" (trust me I know a few) As for gay people, no matter for what reason they are gay, they should deserve the same amount of respect, love and attention as any other people. On the other hand, I don't approve of girls hating ALL guys and thinking that females are smarter or in any way better human beings (same goes gor the guys). Could it be that we are born with no sexual preference?
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Im not happier then any of my non-believing friends so your "theory" is discredited. And i think im as logical and realistic as they come. Quote:
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