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View Poll Results: If Clone #1a kills Clone #2a, is it Suicide or Murder?
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Old Aug 04, 04
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If a clone kills a clone of itself...

Is it suicide or murder?

Why?

(Stupid Alien Resurrection...)
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Old Aug 04, 04
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if a clone [person A] kills another clone [person B] its murder

but if a clone kills itself then its suicide ... suicide means u kill yourself as in destroy your own body

suicide

\Su"i*cide\, n. [L. sui of one's self (akin to suus one's own) + caedere to slay, to kill. 1. The act of taking one's own life voluntary and intentionally; self-murder; specifically (Law), the felonious killing of one's self; the deliberate and intentional destruction of one's own life by a person of years of discretion and of sound mind.
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Old Aug 04, 04
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What I'm saying is, 2 clones are made from Exhibit A (1a and 2a). If 1a kills 2a (which is still technically itself, even if it's another being), should that be considered suicide or murder? It's still killing itself, even if it's another being.
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Old Aug 04, 04
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murder
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Old Aug 04, 04
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its still considered murder .. by definition of course

even if you are cloned, the same age, appearance, this n that .. you are not 100% identical psychologically ..

by definition suicide means killing yourself ..as in slaying your own body
by definition homicide means killing someone else ..as in someone else

so its homicide
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Old Aug 04, 04
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its still another person you are killing so it is murder even if it is a clone.

if a skitzo holds a gun to his head is it a hostage situation?
bottom line..
who gives a fuck
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Old Aug 04, 04
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duh.

you are a completely seperate conciousness that makes its own moral decsisions, and your life is ended by a seperate entity who has made its own decision to end your life.

it's murder, it's not even debateable. you don't share a brain or a point of view. you make your own value judgements. you are seperate people off the same assembly line.
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Old Aug 04, 04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Partizan
its still considered murder .. by definition of course

even if you are cloned, the same age, appearance, this n that .. you are not 100% identical psychologically ..

by definition suicide means killing yourself ..as in slaying your own body
by definition homicide means killing someone else ..as in someone else

so its homicide
Exactly. You could have the exact same physiology and makeup. Genes and all but no two people have the exact same conscience. Rawb already stated it best. *READ ABOVE*
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Old Aug 04, 04
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the concept of killing a clone is really no different from killing your identical twin.

if a someone kills their identical twin, would the authorities call it suicide? I don't think so.

--Joanne :P

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Old Aug 04, 04
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This thread makez you think * sigh * :( lol!
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Old Aug 04, 04
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This thread makez you think * sigh * :( lol!
I don't think so... it's quite simply really.
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Old Aug 04, 04
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duh.

you are a completely seperate conciousness that makes its own moral decsisions, and your life is ended by a seperate entity who has made its own decision to end your life.

it's murder, it's not even debateable. you don't share a brain or a point of view. you make your own value judgements. you are seperate people off the same assembly line.
The rizzle has dazzled you all with logic.
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Old Aug 04, 04
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Lisa, were you dropped on your head as a kid?

Of course its murder.
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Old Aug 04, 04
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murder
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Old Aug 04, 04
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murder, i dont know why
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Old Aug 04, 04
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its murder, but it could possibly be suicide if you look at it from a mirrors perspective.. wow, this was a really big waste of my energy
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Old Aug 04, 04
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What about if a guy with multiple personalities threatens to kill himself...is it a hostage situation?

and if he does kill himself,is it mass-suicide or a multiple-homicide(i think thats what i'm lookin for here) ?
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Old Aug 04, 04
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Old Aug 04, 04
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a kills b, its murder
a helps b kill itself, its assisted suicide
b kills b with no help, its suicide

imo
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Old Aug 05, 04
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its murder, but it could possibly be suicide if you look at it from a mirrors perspective.. wow, this was a really big waste of my energy
no because no two people. Clones or not are exact replica's of each other. People are not like object. People have their own conscience meaning they would not be reflections of each other.

They might be physically but they each have thei ro wn brain and thi nk their own way
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Old Aug 05, 04
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it depends on how hot the clone is
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Old Aug 05, 04
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what will the parents of the cloned think?
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Old Aug 05, 04
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It's a good question to ponder...but in the end....it's murder.
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Old Aug 05, 04
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I am gonna go with murder for obvious reasons that have already been stated.
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Old Aug 05, 04
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oh those wacky clones
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