same-sex marriage in canada

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by -ak47-

I feel the same way. Marriage is the union of a man and a woman. The concept of gay marriage is just pissing on one of our most sacred traditions. However, a gay couple should have receive same rights, benefits and respect given to a married couple.

Have you ever even read Deuteronomy?

"Sacred traditions." Hah. You probably don't even know what sacred traditions are in the bible.

How're your tassles doing? Still in all four corners of the household? No? SMITING!

[ebbomega]

Oh, and a big PS: Homosexuality as a publically conscious concept didn't exist until about the last 100 years. So please, let's drop the idea that opposite-sex marriages and tradition have anything to do with each other.

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Oh, and a big PS: Homosexuality as a publically conscious concept didn't exist until about the last 100 years. So please, let's drop the idea that opposite-sex marriages and tradition have anything to do with each other.

exactly.

homosexuality was commonly practice and accepted during the time of Socrates...they just didn't label it like we did.

it's only lately that we've come up with all these catagories to shove people in.

[Rhianna]

Originally Posted by -ak47-

I feel the same way. Marriage is the union of a man and a woman. The concept of gay marriage is just pissing on one of our most sacred traditions.

See now that to me is a big joke. Straight people piss on that tradition all the time. We still let them get married.

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by Rhianna

See now that to me is a big joke. Straight people piss on that tradition all the time. We still let them get married.

yeah no shit...will whoever knows the divorce rate please stand up!

[e_BoY]

i agree with many. I mean why the fuck should the government have a say in who can get married with who. That idea alone is enough for me. If men want to marry men or women want to marry women so be it. It their choice who they want to spend the rest of their life with.

[Lush]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

BTW, the "thousands of years" is about 2000, and the last 1000 has been pretty horrible at it.

Look at it. We've got Henry VIII who went so far to kill, accuse, and disclaim wives... even went so far as to completely overhaul his nation's religion and claim himself as a Vassal of God in order to get his ass out of marriage.

Fuck, everybody's claiming marriage as some kind of sacred vow, but we're horrible at it. Half marriages just outright fail for some reason or another. And I've seen some pretty dismal "successful" ones in which everybody's just at odds with each other, yelling at each other, treating the whole family unit like shit.

Frankly, I'd much rather be raised by two men who love each other and will reflect that love into me than a male and a female that have no respect for each other and merely stay together in a relationship because someone 2000 years ago thought that God wanted it that way.

I thought the point of marriage was love. At least that's what I keep hearing at weddings.

Well said!!!

[wum]

Then again, as homosexuals are the minority, what right do they have to impose their agenda on the other 97% ?

[Rhianna]

^What do you mean by agenda? And how are they imposing it on us?

[wum]

Well they're pushing their lifestyle, which belongs on the fringes, onto an institution like marriage. they're pretty much trying to declare that it's something normal

[Rhianna]

And tell me, how is their "lifestyle" hurting you??

[wum]

Originally Posted by Rhianna

And tell me, how is their "lifestyle" hurting you??

I don't really agree with it, call me old-fashioned.

[clevich]

if they dont hurt me, go for it.

[Rhianna]

Originally Posted by wum

I don't really agree with it, call me old-fashioned.

So they aren't hurting you, you just don't like it. I see.

Kinda like me and people who are overly religious.

[wum]

Originally Posted by Rhianna

So they aren't hurting you, you just don't like it. I see.

Kinda like me and people who are overly religious.

Exactemundo. Jesus worshipers don't have the right push their values onto you, and neither do homos.

[Rhianna]

^This is true, however, the homos also have the right to be treated w/ the same respect everyone else gets. Which is why I don't agree w/ the "belongs on the fringes".

That's who they are, why should they have to hide?

[wum]

well. gays can be gays, i'm just not down with the whole marriage thing.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by wum

Exactemundo. Jesus worshipers don't have the right push their values onto you, and neither do homos.

You still haven't said any of these "values".

Nobody's telling you to marry a guy.

But yet you seem thoroughly defensive over the issue. Who's pushing anything on you? Do what thou will. If that means you want to cram a guy up the ass, so be it. Not my thing, personally, but I respect that I'm allowed to do it if I wanted to. Only possible reason why I can think of someone thinking that "homos" (as if it's a cult) are pushing their "values" (as if it's an agenda) is if they're scared of the fact that they themselves might be gay, so they place this nonexistant agenda on this nonexistant culture so as to think that something evil is brooding, similar to the way paranoid stoners place some governing secret society overtop of the governments of the world because these governments have access to all kinds of power and that scares us.

We have a name for people like that.

They're called "closet cases".

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by wum

well. gays can be gays, i'm just not down with the whole marriage thing.

Why not?

[Ms.Chop]

Originally Posted by -ak47-

I feel the same way. Marriage is the union of a man and a woman. The concept of gay marriage is just pissing on one of our most sacred traditions. However, a gay couple should have receive same rights, benefits and respect given to a married couple.

good job on contradicting urself :)

[Ms.Chop]

Originally Posted by wum

Well they're pushing their lifestyle, which belongs on the fringes, onto an institution like marriage. they're pretty much trying to declare that it's something normal

pushing it..?

buddy.. seriously... like seriously... go jump off a cliff :)

[Ms.Chop]

Originally Posted by wum

I don't really agree with it, call me old-fashioned.

naw.. call u ignorent :)

[Ms.Chop]

honestly.. homophobic ppl make me sick...

u kno wut.. its their business wut they do.. its my business wut i do..

if they choose to unite eachother and be 'one' .. let them... who r u fucking moron's to say yes or no.. do u live w/ them day by day? its a big step to wanna marry someone.. and for OTHER ppl like u ignorent idiots.. to say that they shouldnt is down right stupid and ridiculous..

i have a couple family members in which are homosexual/bisexual... 2 of which are close.. and 1 of which is very close...

and for ppl like u to say all these things.. like homosexuals arent ppl.. and like they CHOOSE to be this way.. and they shouldnt have rights.. who the fuck are u to say...

how bout we take ur right to marry away jus becuz ur an ignorent stupid moron...

and ignorent stupid moron's such as urself shouldnt have a right to marry... or let alone.. have kids.. cuz if u have kids u'll spread ur stupidity.. and more and mroe ignorent stupid moron's will be raised...

how u like them apples..??

u dont ehh?!?!

good.

[wum]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

You still haven't said any of these "values".

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Nobody's telling you to marry a guy.

Like I said, it’s something that happens on the fringes of society and is not considered normal. By giving gays marital status, and putting in on par with heterosexual unions, you’re at the very least being very presumptuous, since gays are still quite the minority.

Originally Posted by ebbomega

But yet you seem thoroughly defensive over the issue. Who's pushing anything on you? Do what thou will. If that means you want to cram a guy up the ass, so be it. Not my thing, personally, but I respect that I'm allowed to do it if I wanted to.

Originally Posted by ebbomega

And you seem thoroughly persistent. What you speak of (sodomy) is not the issue. It’s whether or not gays can foist their lifestyle onto the rest of society as ‘normal’ and legitimizing it through the institution of marriage. Again, they are the minority and until we have a true referendum, instead of some activist judges deciding, then marital status shouldn’t be given.

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Only possible reason why I can think of someone thinking that "homos" (as if it's a cult) are pushing their "values" (as if it's an agenda) is if they're scared of the fact that they themselves might be gay,

No need to wax Freudian here. Other people on this thread don’t agree with gay marriages and I happen to be one of them.

Originally Posted by ebbomega

so they place this nonexistant agenda on this nonexistant culture so as to think that something evil is brooding, similar to the way paranoid stoners place some governing secret society overtop of the governments of the world because these governments have access to all kinds of power and that scares us.

Originally Posted by ebbomega

We have a name for people like that.

They're called "closet cases".

Mainly what I’m saying is that for an institution to be considered anything meaningful there are conditions. If a man claims to love his wife but sleeps around, the marriage has lost it’s meaning. If a man loves two or more women, the marriage has lost its meaning. The same is true when two men, or two women try and get ‘married.’ I say let them have whatever kind of union they want, but just don’t call it ‘marriage’ which is still a heterosexual domain.

ps. don't know what's up with the spacing, but i can't fix it.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by wum

Like I said, it’s something that happens on the fringes of society and is not considered normal. By giving gays marital status, and putting in on par with heterosexual unions, you’re at the very least being very presumptuous, since gays are still quite the minority.

So are african-americans in Canada. But we're not gonna stop them from marrying.

Let's take a look at what you said, shall we?

1) "it's something that happens on the fringes of society"
Uh. So where exactly are these fringes? What fucking fringes are you talking about? Seems to me, the epicenter of the "gay district" in Vancouver is probably Davie Street, right in the heart of the downtown core. So you're not talking about a physical fringe...

There were Gods in greek and roman culture that glorified homosexual activity, and those religions definitely were central to greek culture. So you're not talking about a moral fringe either.

And you seem thoroughly persistent. What you speak of (sodomy) is not the issue.

Nice. Work in a legal definition of some outdated laws and call it sodomy.

So if I ram a girl up the ass is it sodomy too? Cuz I've done that many times.

It’s whether or not gays can foist their lifestyle onto the rest of society as ‘normal’ and legitimizing it through the institution of marriage.

WHAT FUCKING LIFESTYLE? Seriously. What are the characteristics of this mythical "gay" lifestyle. Because so far all I'm able to determine is that homosexual people are exactly the same as other people, except they happen to prefer the sexual companionship of people of the same gender.

You keep saying it like homosexuality is being pressed upon society. It's not. It's a basic fact of it. What the hell is being pressed on society? We're just condoning it. If you claim that homosexual people can do what they want, then why shouldn't it be legitamized?

"institution of marriage." Listen to yourself. You don't know what you're talking about. Marriage is NOT ABOUT AN INSTITUTION. It's about love. Go read 1 Corinthians chapter 13, if you want to hear what God apparently has to say about it.

Again, they are the minority and until we have a true referendum, instead of some activist judges deciding, then marital status shouldn’t be given.

By this logic, the following people shouldn't get married until we have referendums:
Natives, blacks, chinese, koreans, vietnamese, japanese, people with British accents, transvestites, people with down's syndrome, union members, anybody who wears "Kiss Me I'm Irish" pins on St. Patty's Day and women.

Mainly what I’m saying is that for an institution to be considered anything meaningful there are conditions. If a man claims to love his wife but sleeps around, the marriage has lost it’s meaning. If a man loves two or more women, the marriage has lost its meaning. The same is true when two men, or two women try and get ‘married.’ I say let them have whatever kind of union they want, but just don’t call it ‘marriage’ which is still a heterosexual domain.

You still haven't said thing one about what cheapens the whole "institution" of marriage by having it include same-sex unions. Last I checked a marriage is merely a legal and spiritual partnering of two people in love with each other exclusively. Why does it need to be limited to opposite-sex unions? If the spiritual authorities are cool with it, why aren't you? What have you got against them? Wouldn't two men or two women who are in love and stay together for a long time, who are willing to declare their love despite the persecution that they get for it (and trust me, they do get it).... wouldn't that strengthen this so-called "institution"? Why would you not want them to be a part of it? Why is it merely the exclusive domain of heterosexuals?

And before you give me the "natural" bullshit... first of all, homosexuality happens in nature too, bub.... secondly, by the same logic, a couple would have to get divorced the second the man gets a vasectomy or the women got her tubes tied.... And what about people who can't have babies? Are they to be denied a family simply because they can't procreate? What about adoption? What about artificial insemination?

Marriage is the beginning of a new family. I'd say having love in the family is infinitely more important than having a mommy and a daddy.