Cnn makes Canada look like a liberal hippy haven!

[miss.myra]

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/am....ap/index.html


It's funny seeing as how the government has never released an official statement saying 'C'MON UP AMERICANS!', the only source that they have in the article is an immigration lawyer who is probably happy to have Americans come up because he'll be making a lot of money out of it.

I love the little fact sheet, too!

[sidekick]

"And, as Michael Moore pointed out in "Bowling for Columbine" -- required viewing for many lefties -- in Canada there's apparently no reason to lock your door."

oh GOD

[galaxie]

Reading that makes me so proud to be a Canadian.
We are SO lucky that we have the rights that we do - our way of life is definitely a lot better than it would be if we lived in the States.

As for the close-minded Americans who think we're crazy for our high taxes, lenient marijuana laws, belief in same-sex marriage, etc., I say GOOD! Stay in the States, and let us do our own thing!

[miss.myra]

I dunno, I found the article to be a little patronizing.

It's flattering, but it's also idealizing Canada a little too much, a lot of factors of course NOT pointed out in the article can make it as bad of a place to live as the USA in many ways.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

okay the key acronym here is "CNN".

okay and what?
"Their tax dollars go to helping those who need it, instead of funneling money back up to the wealthy and feeding this huge military-industrial machine."

sorry did i read correctly?
If our tax dollars go to those who need it how come so many private and government funded projects such as job readiness programs,health care,youth care,welfare...HAVE ALL BEEN CUT?!

r u fucking shitting me here???

that part of the article makes me want to bash my head against the fucking wall until my skull my implodes.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

yeah come to canada we`ve got oodles and oodles of jobs here in bc according to our alcoholic premier gordan cambell.

oodles and oodles of jobs if u wanna bust your ass at 8-10 dollars an hour at part time hours OR if u wanna bust your ass working in a trade for the rest of your life.

yeah its fucking great!

thanx gordon cambell!
also thanx for the .5% drop in our sales taxes too! Funny how it happened at an opportune time too eh?!

smarmy bastard.

[-ff-]

Myra, Goddessa:

Yes, there are shitloads of problems in canada, we are not a perfect socialist paradise, ect. ect.

But the botom line remains that the basic structural arangement of the two countries is different - theirs is built on individual liberty (whatever the cost) and ours makes much more of an effort of balancing equality and liberty through large-scale government redistribution programs like healthcare and welfare. Sure, there are a lot of problems with both of those programs, but what is key is the philosophy behind them, a philosophy that is generally shared by most Canadians. Essentially, that ethic boils down to 'your right to some trumps my right to more.'

That CNN article was pretty crummy, but the fact remains that there is a different ehtos in Canada than the states. I'm pretty proud of it.

[SquiLa]

Very interesting; thinking of the social and economic implications. Changing trends in those areas will certainly result with the influx of these american immigrants (assuming a larger percentage of a demographically different immigrants - over what we normally get each year - will result).

Interest rates will rise along with the demand for housing. More products and services will become available (in Canada) than ever before (and for cheaper - eventually). Social change will take place from the mixture of different and new political views; things may happen a bit more quickly. Though they already portray us as such a progressive society with those facts. Hmmm.

There are positive implications for sure depending on where you are in your life and what you do. Negative implications? I'm sure there are plenty, but I'm an optimist so I'll leave it at that.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

Originally Posted by -ff-

Myra, Goddessa:

Yes, there are shitloads of problems in canada, we are not a perfect socialist paradise, ect. ect.

But the botom line remains that the basic structural arangement of the two countries is different - theirs is built on individual liberty (whatever the cost) and ours makes much more of an effort of balancing equality and liberty through large-scale government redistribution programs like healthcare and welfare. Sure, there are a lot of problems with both of those programs, but what is key is the philosophy behind them, a philosophy that is generally shared by most Canadians. Essentially, that ethic boils down to 'your right to some trumps my right to more.'

That CNN article was pretty crummy, but the fact remains that there is a different ehtos in Canada than the states. I'm pretty proud of it.

At this rate Canada will end up just like the states.
And we`ll have Paul Martin to thank for that.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by ~*goddessa*~

okay the key acronym here is "CNN".

okay and what?
"Their tax dollars go to helping those who need it, instead of funneling money back up to the wealthy and feeding this huge military-industrial machine."

sorry did i read correctly?
If our tax dollars go to those who need it how come so many private and government funded projects such as job readiness programs,health care,youth care,welfare...HAVE ALL BEEN CUT?!

r u fucking shitting me here???

that part of the article makes me want to bash my head against the fucking wall until my skull my implodes.

We have problems but socially nothing like the US does. The absolute poverty that many Americans endure would shock many of you. If you're poor down in the US you're really poor!

Jason Mogus, Communicopia's chief executive, said that while his company wanted to help interested Americans, moving to Canada should be plan B.

"We strongly encourage Americans to stay and build a culture in line with their values," Mogus said. "In other words, stay and fight."

My sister works with this guy, ha!

[Senior]

Originally Posted by ~*goddessa*~

At this rate Canada will end up just like the states.
And we`ll have Paul Martin to thank for that.

The problems you're refering to are frequently refered to by detractors as the Americanization attempts of conservatives.

[miss.myra]

whooa pony, I'm not really trying to make a comment on existing government or get into that kind of discussion.

They put in points like the fact that Canada has universal health care, but they fail to note that the actual immigration process needs to be completed before someone is even eligible to get this healthcare (which is cheaper than it may be in the USA, but it is not free.) They also of course fail to indicate things like you can expect it to take at least 1.5 years to obtain permanent residency in Canada.

I work for the ministry of health and I see a lot of cases where people are under the impression that they can just walk into Canada and begin reaping the benefits it offers. Often people immigrate to Canada while they are pregant and expect to get health coverage promptly, but that is seldomly the case.

I just wish that when things like this came out, they painted a more realistic picture- showed everybody the whole picture, the pros and cons. It'd probably make my job a heck of a lot easier too ;)

[dapimpstress]

cnn sux...

[-ff-]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

I just wish that when things like this came out, they painted a more realistic picture- showed everybody the whole picture, the pros and cons. It'd probably make my job a heck of a lot easier too ;)

heheh, well I mean, what do you expect from a news site that also lists this in its top 5 leading stories:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/15/bea....ap/index.html

[Senior]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

whooa pony.................................... ........................................ ........................................ ......................... It'd probably make my job a heck of a lot easier too ;)

You had to wait till the last second to get to the point there, didn't ya =)