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Nov 30, 04
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!GO PROTEST! against Bush.
Turns out that protest is actually happenin. Bush is in Ottawa today and theres lotsa people protesting and throwin shit at the police and shit.
GOOOO OTTAWA!!!!! God dam i wish I could be there :). 
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Nov 30, 04
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people that come to these protests just as an excuse to break windows and act out against the police are not helping this cause at all. they're making the actual protesters who are trying to change things look bad.
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Nov 30, 04
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hollllllllllllllllllllllla GO PROTEST!
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violence and destruction of public property only makes protests ineffective in getting their message across. if you're really trying to oppose a president who is currently running an illegal war, why would you do that by partaking in illegal actions yourself? besides, the people who would be causing violence in Ottawa in 'protest' of george bush, are going to be destroying parts of their own country? how the hell does that make sense? think before you act. if you're going to fight the government, you can't do it by breaking windows and throwing paint.
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Nov 30, 04
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you gotta think though - its not gonna change anyway. If were calm and collective about it or if were mean and aggressive towards it - the end result he will be behind the podium for another four years unless the unthinkable happens (hint hint, JFK, hint hint), but yeah. true its trashing canada - which is stupid.
but meh, were getting our point across nonetheless:)
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Nov 30, 04
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ps. look what happened with the demonstrations against the WTO in 1999 in Seattle. a few people broke a couple of windows downtown and that's all the media focussed on and it made all the protesters look like they were bent on destruction.
if you're trying to win over a country and get your message across, breaking shit isn't the way to do it. the media is just going to set you up as the bad guy.
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Nov 30, 04
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i want you to go and talk to any of the organizers of the protest and ask them what they think about the destruction of public property and violence in terms of 'method of protest'. they'll all tell you that it sucks and that it's not helping their cause.
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so simply, organized protest or a riot - its not gonna change anything.
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to: well it's not going to change anything, so what's the point except breaking stuff! no one is trying to overthrow a president here. you have to think realistically about it all. what you CAN do, is inform the general public about things that are going on that the government tries to hide. the more informed the public is about things, the harder it is for governments to pass laws without the public questioning certain things. you can see this happening right now with the education of the use of antidepressant drugs on children, or Trans Fat being banned, or geneticaly engineered foods, or Canada's decision not to partake in the 'war on terror'. if you think that these protest groups do nothing, you need to read up on some stuff.
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Nov 30, 04
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Wikid, you're a dumbass. Protesting in the streets in a negative manner, will only get you negative publicity. It looks bad for the people who are acually trying to do something, and gets little to none done in the sense of trying to help a better cause. I don't even want to bother explaining to you how wrong you are because sidekick basically laid it down in front of you to eat with your humility for desert.
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Nov 30, 04
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http://www.fnk.ca/board/showthread.php?t=66158
Blaming Bush until you know who's behind him is what they want you to do. It's just a puppet show. And btw, real protesters always get negative press, the violent ones just get most of it. You all should look into John Zerzan, property damage isn't violence. Buildings don't feel pain. Violence is when you pick up a gun and shoot at a complete stranger because you've been diluted to think you are serving your country. War isn't a video game, I say buildings are better off vandalized then people, you can rebuild a building, but you can't bring back the dead.
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Nov 30, 04
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^when i was referring to violence, i was referring to violence against police officers.
but i do think that breaking a window is a violent act. inanimate building or not. but yes, i'd rather see a building vandalized than a human being shot. however, that's just a trade of 'really really bad' and 'somewhat bad'.
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Nov 30, 04
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Wikid:
You should go download the movie "surplus" The worsening situation for the biosphere, society, and the individual--the crisis at every level--is the strongest impetus for a rethinking of so many of the old commonplace assumptions and institutions. Division of labor, domestication, even the very components of our symbolic culture and civilization itself--all these now stand with question marks. When denial begins to collapse, we may well see a challenge to the existing order that will make the '60s movement seem very tame and superficial. I think that's what you're going for, this film is for you, pm me if you need help finding it.
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Nov 30, 04
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Okay let me get this clear for everyone here....
PROTESTING:Is a way to show our governement we are opposed to something, so when we are protesting, it means we need to pressurising the politices or else they wont take anything in concideration... If there are broken things, don't forget that there are broken bones by the same occasion, and why should the material be more important then human lives?Well cause our society is to much materialists, Capitalists and its exacly what some people want to show, that material is not the mosts important, people are realy funny, replacing a pole will costs nothing when our governments receive over 10 000 000$ of dollars every months to finance every projects they have to built(we never know exacly for what and where our money is going)... So now the question is why some people realy want to brake...And other to only protests.... Don't forget that there are different cathegories of protesters...And our Society is a true probleme on this question, they always generalise everyone, so before eating the mass media that is poisoning your deep mind and kindfull thoughs, get your own information and you will understand who is on the right side, and who realy the true criminals and Terror in our Society... peace
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ho and if you realy want to see some true violant acts get a look on this link and check the video you will understand that its not us organising wars but the politices...And its not about spray painting hahaha...its about Millions of lives getting killed...so paint is a laugh and a mokery compared to what politices are realy doing... http://www.fnk.ca/board/showthread.php?t=66196
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Nov 30, 04
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look man, i'm not disagreeing that spraypaint on a wall is extremely miniscule to the thousands of lives lost through this stupid war on Iraq. you're right, compared to that, it IS nothing. however, i was just saying that it doesn't help get the protesters message across to the general public because the media takes that small bit of spraypaint or violence against cops or whatever and blows it up into something so big it overshadows the original message of the protest group.
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Nov 30, 04
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Just so you all know - like I said in one of my original posts - I woulda been there for the protests without the breaking and shit - I woulda been down with being there for the mere sake of protesting bush.
so stop taking everythingso seriously guys lol.
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Nov 30, 04
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I've been in many manifestations...and cops are always the firsts acting against us..why?cause politices are presurising them, so it doesn't help anyone.... There are some rare manifestation that turn in a total masacre and thats cause theres a serious probleme into the system, and having a huge impact on those peoples lives.... I would act the same, when diplomacy doesn't work, and being pacific results for more violants droping on your head how would you react? the same way..(mad and feel that somone hasn't the right to violate your rights that way...!!!) And when there is Vendalism people don't usualy vendalism small private shops that people live of there shops...they usualy go for multy national things like Mc Donalds,IBM,Coke,Walmar,Crystler,Shell,N ike,Philips,Ford,Addidas...etc you get the Idea its all about the anti-Capitalism thing...I don't I need to explan you what Capitalism is just take a exemple on Communism and you'd know that it was a total masacre...
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Nov 30, 04
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Okay since this post is againsts BUSH everyone check this out!
http://www.oilempire.us/anniversaries.html http://www.prisonplanet.com/the_nazification_of_america.html
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Feb 03, 05
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haha. I just saw this thread.
Here's my pics from it: http://www.fnk.ca/board/showthread.php?t=66358
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