Protesting is Illegal

[maztraz]

Okay if you don't understand the question above on the poll, here is a other interpretation...

-People should have the right to peacefully protest, regardless of the circumstances.

-People should be able to protest but not under certain circumstances.

-I don't know enough about the situation to make an educated decision.
(thanks senior)
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Paris bans protests ahead of Bush's visit
Financial Times | June 3 2004

Demonstrations have been banned in central Paris throughout this week to ensure no hostile protests are in evidence to disturb President George W. Bush's brief presence in the French capital.

SHOOT TO KILL ORDERED AT G8 IN GEORGIA
sf.indymedia.org | 27 May 2004

Pacifica News and the AP have both stated in the last two days that there is potential for the use of Lethal Force at the G8, DNC, and RNC this summer.

Man Goes to Jail for Putting a Sign in his Yard
WAFF | April 2 2004

"When it gets to where a man hadn't got any free speech in this world, what has he got?"

New Free Speech Zones Mock First Amendment
American Free Press - 01/31/04

“As far as I’m concerned, the whole country is a free speech zone. If the Bush administration has its way, anyone who criticizes them will be out of sight and out of mind.”

Protesters say freedoms snapped away
St. Petersburg Times - 12/05/03

Nugent acknowledged that during that height of the antiwar movement, his deputies gathered intelligence on protesters in order to maintain order. The protesters, on the other hand, think that the practice deprived them of their constitutional rights to privacy and to protest grievances against the government.

Miami's New Police State

I watched as rubber bullets and tear gas were fired at the unarmed protestors. The police converged on the protestors, almost like a scene from the classic film Potemkin, where Russian troops marched on demonstrators in 1905.



Miami crowd control would do tyrant proud

Miami police Chief John Timoney must be mighty proud of the social order he maintained during the Free Trade Area of the Americas summit a couple of weeks ago in Miami - sort of the way Saddam Hussein was proud of quieting dissension in his country.

Officials step up monitoring of anti-war groups

Peace activists and law enforcement officials agree that the monitoring of anti-war groups and other activists has stepped up since the terrorist attacks of two years ago.



Oregon Law Would Jail War Protesters as Terrorists

An Oregon anti-terrorism bill would jail street demonstrators for at least 25 years in a thinly veiled effort to discourage anti-war protests, critics say. Actual bill states that protesters would be imprisoned in forced labor gulags.

Antiterror bill meets opposition at hearing

A bill that would define violent protesters as terrorists and subject them to possible life imprisonment came under attack Monday at a packed and sometimes tense legislative hearing.

Senate Bill 742: Sponsored by Senator MINNIS

"When a person is convicted of terrorism under this section, the court shall order that the person be confined for a minimum of 25 years without possibility of parole, release to post-prison supervision, release on work release or any form of temporary leave or employment at a forest or work camp."

Protest groups possible security threat: CSIS

Some Canadian animal rights, anti-globalization and white supremacist groups may pose a terrorist threat, revealed the Canadian Security Intelligence Service's latest annual report.

State monitored war protesters

Days before firing wooden slugs at protesters, police were warned of potential violence at the Port of Oakland by California's anti-terrorism intelligence center, which admits blurring the line between terrorism and political dissent.

Governor to top cop: Stop 'intimidating' protesters

After a firestorm of protest over the actions of Tennessee Bureau of Investigation agents at a March 5 peace protest on the campus of Middle Tennessee State University in Murfreesboro, Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen demanded that TBI Director Larry Wallace change the agency's policies concerning surveillance of public assemblies.

Ellison to pull plug on protest websites

The Federal Government plans to stop Australians gaining access to websites used to organise protests. A police ministers meeting in Darwin this week agreed it was "unacceptable websites advocating or facilitating violent protest action be accessible from Australia".

Police violence shocks activists, others at Port of Oakland protest

An anti-war demonstration at the Port of Oakland turned violent this morning when Oakland Police opened fire with wooden dowels, ``sting balls,'' concussion grendades, tear gas and other non-lethal weapons when protesters at the gates of two shipping lines refused an order to disperse.

LAPD starts quiet probe of activists

The LAPD's new anti-terrorism unit quietly opened an inquiry into a local animal rights activist group that publicized the home addresses of Mayor James Hahn and the city's animal services chief, the group charged.

Terrorism Act 'used to halt protest'

The civil liberties group Liberty claims police breached the human rights of anti-war protesters at a Gloucestershire RAF base by using powers under the Terrorism Act to stop them demonstrating.

[ebbomega]

Anything on this stuff that's not all from the same source?

[DJKUNZ]

I don't think its "fare" that you've worded both the question, and possible responses so poorly that you've rendered the poll virtually meaningless.

[maztraz]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Anything on this stuff that's not all from the same source?

No its not from the same source....Only linked from that source or else I Wouldn't of posts it that way...

Of my personal experience there always been problemes in protests and Its a fendemental issue that touches every country, even Canada!

[maztraz]

Originally Posted by DJKUNZ

I don't think its "fare" that you've worded both the question, and possible responses so poorly that you've rendered the poll virtually meaningless.

Sorry English isn't my primary language if you have better propositions I'll gladly change them....

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by maztraz

Sorry English isn't my primary language if you have better propositions I'll gladly change them....

I would, but I honestly have no clue what the question is that you're asking.

[maztraz]

^hehe...;)
Well basicaly what we want to know, if there is any justification of both acts(Police and protesters).. And when it comes to protests there is 4, 5 classes of peoples ...So what are peoples reaction to that???(how should we turn that into a question??)
I don't know if you have any better questions to werds that???
-But there is some people that go to manifests and give there opinion on or againsts governmental administration, public planing...
-Some that work for government and the ones like politices or company owners that organise these big police lines and army....
-Others that just fallow brefly whats happening but don't know enough whats really going on...
-There is the medias....
-And others just there to brake things...

damn...Is my question that bad?!?:licky: haha

[miss.myra]

I'm all for free speech, but I find protesters annoying.

[G-Style]

I find ignorant protesters annoying!

[Van Tek]

ignorant protestors are the worst... they make legitimate protests look silly and worthless

[Senior]

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

JFK

In other words if there is a real reason to protest (GWB) and protest is not allowed it only guarantees violent protests.

Originally Posted by G-Style

I find ignorant protesters annoying!

It takes all kinds.

[lou_belle]

Lori's guide to making a point:

dress like you got money, say you live in Chaunessy, and have a sign that looks like it wasn't made five minutes ago. Oh and tell the guys throwing dead babies that they are making you look bad*

It's sad that it came to the point that it's been termed illegal by the man. The man demands respect. The man always gets his way.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

Lori's guide to making a point:

dress like you got money, say you live in Chaunessy, and have a sign that looks like it wasn't made five minutes ago. Oh and tell the guys throwing dead babies that they are making you look bad*

It's sad that it came to the point that it's been termed illegal by the man. The man demands respect. The man always gets his way.

Basically a in a healthy society you need to have a broad spectrum of opinions. My views would be considered paranoid and conspiracy based if I was at the far reaches of the spectrum. However we are fortunate enough that there are people who are way, way out there that push the boundaries of the debate.

While pretending that you are rich and well educated might get you interviewed by the TV news it doesn't bring any more value to a debate.

As far as the man always getting his way... shit you really, really need to study some history. Empires eventually fall, that much is certain.

[wum]

it would be nice if they had a public access tv channel that people could voice their opinions on.

[DJKUNZ]

Originally Posted by maztraz

Sorry English isn't my primary language if you have better propositions I'll gladly change them....

My apologies, sometimes i get a little belligerent for no reason.
Totally unnecessary.

-=brad=-

[lou_belle]

Originally Posted by Senior

Basically a in a healthy society you need to have a broad spectrum of opinions. My views would be considered paranoid and conspiracy based if I was at the far reaches of the spectrum. However we are fortunate enough that there are people who are way, way out there that push the boundaries of the debate.

Yeah...the true crazies. It's sad that we aren't fortunate enough to be able to drag real dead bodies around...only fake ones. Damn*

Originally Posted by Senior

While pretending that you are rich and well educated might get you interviewed by the TV news it doesn't bring any more value to a debate.

Yes it does. That way a first impression isn't demeaning what you actually have to say...and police aren't beating you up because they know you can't bring them to court with piddly lower class earnings.

Originally Posted by Senior

As far as the man always getting his way... shit you really, really need to study some history. Empires eventually fall, that much is certain.

When did I say his empire won't fall. He gets his way for four years at a time.

arafat was an example of a man in rags that got what he wanted, throw dead babies at him and he would kill your fuckin ass.

Be GRATEFUL that we allow free speech and don't abuse the right. We live in a civilized society where we are beyond shock value! Don't be an animal just because you can...put power behind what you say with actions that demand respect.

[wum]

^^ The war in a Iraq is a pretty big deal. It's not like they're protesting about one-ply toilet paper.

[Rytalin]

See, all the french have to do now is protest the desicion to make protesting against Bush illegal.

[maztraz]

Protesting is a important part of our society and cohabiting...Weither you are, ignorant or activists, Young or old, poor or rich, citizen or none citizen... everyone plays a important roll, even if some people refuse to admit it, with out this, there would be no balance, ''its like a pyramid with no bottom'' every part of the pyramid plays a important roll so that the structure can hold solidly....

Its not a question about juging if people are stupid or not, its about manifesting for something better and for a fare and better equal cose...

Its unfare to blame protesters just cause there is a few of them that make a mess or have no clue what is really going on''''

There is no fare decision when it comes to our powerfull leaders that make decisions under no democracy, it is the cose of no cose, and its selfish decisions will bring no satisfactions but his....
capitalism + murder = fascism

[wum]

I'm protesting Turkey's induction into the EU :)

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by maztraz

Its unfare to blame protesters just cause there is a few of them that make a mess or have no clue what is really going on''''

There is no fare decision when it comes to our powerfull leaders that make decisions under no democracy, it is the cose of no cose, and its selfish decisions will bring no satisfactions but his....
capitalism + murder = fascism

Sadly, it is fair to blame protesters because some of them are violent and clueless.

Look at it from a civic point of view though:

-Protests are expensive for the city
-They allow the majority of people to be held up and invonvieniced by the minority
-There is always a good chance that people could get violent
-It's very very messy. Meaning that the city is left to clean it up.

For the most part, it's not that they want to limit your rights, it's just that they don't want to deal with it.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

Sadly, it is fair to blame protesters because some of them are violent and clueless.

Look at it from a civic point of view though:

-Protests are expensive for the city
-They allow the majority of people to be held up and invonvieniced by the minority
-There is always a good chance that people could get violent
-It's very very messy. Meaning that the city is left to clean it up.

For the most part, it's not that they want to limit your rights, it's just that they don't want to deal with it.

I agree with you actually, democracy is way to expensive!!!! Lets get on with having a dictator.

[BongMan]

While protests are good if its for the right reasons latley in the past 6 or 7 years. There have been many protests that have turned into street wars between cops and protesters.. The Anarchist love to come out and play in protests these days. I can see the governments point though as we know the french feel very strongly towards Bush. I can see any major protest quickly escalating into somthing horrible..

[maztraz]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

Sadly, it is fair to blame protesters because some of them are violent and clueless.

Look at it from a civic point of view though:

-Protests are expensive for the city
-They allow the majority of people to be held up and invonvieniced by the minority
-There is always a good chance that people could get violent
-It's very very messy. Meaning that the city is left to clean it up.

For the most part, it's not that they want to limit your rights, it's just that they don't want to deal with it.

I'll have to disagree on one point, it does costs money to repare the damages as much as organizing these big police lines and problably even more when theres the Army(There will always be damages so that is money spend for arresting people and not to stop vendalism acts sorry)
...So we can just conclude all they want is power over our opinions, and free speech, you'll have to read the articles to give me good point, cause when it comes to war I think it should be the lasts resolution under threat....What has BUSH done with democracy? shit on it, and return it against them selfs...(Iraq)
Public opinion is just nothing for you or what?

Get violant as much as police and army can????I doubt it?

So all you care about is the cleany cities(Objects) and don't care about peoples opinions..If you think that way why should I care about your opinions???

Have you been to any manifestation to be telling that???On lasts G8 in GEneva and Lausanne a few years ago... a huge manority was arrested(included me) for what?Cause the politices don't give a fuck of your opinions and thats exactly what protesting is ment for when it comes to political economical profits....We pay taxes, we pay assurance, we fucking pay every thing and should shut our mouths...I'm sorry but thats not how I work....

And just to menchen I was one of those pacific protesters that day neither did I brake any thing, and what did I have in return?Only brutality, and hand cuffed

[lildonkey]

Originally Posted by Senior

I agree with you actually, democracy is way to expensive!!!! Lets get on with having a dictator.

hahahahaha :)

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