FDA for MDMA study for Cancer Patients

Quin600 · #1 (**permalink**) Dec 28, 04

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ncer_treatment

Step forward in proper uses for recognized recreational drugs.

BenGiovanni · #2 (**permalink**) Dec 28, 04

hahaha e used so they can talk to family about death
man thats sorta cheating isnt it?

dapimpstress · #3 (**permalink**) Dec 28, 04

s'crazy they're actually doing this.. just fuckin WILD. i hope they come to the findings that xtc isnt actually bad for you and that it was all just the government plotting against the "black market". however, even if it didn't cause you any real physical harm, which is undoubtably impossible, i don't think they would they would ever ever ever release that information.

mugsy · #4 (**permalink**) Dec 28, 04

my dad has terminal cancer and has signed on for any new programs\test treatments out there, this includes both canada and america. mdma has never been brought up. just different marijuana pills and chemo thearapy and more natural forms of bodily cleansing. for anxiety they hand out anxiety pills such as adavan (sp?) and other nerve calming substances. they usually have some on hand at the chemo-place.
and as for dealing with family and issuse like that, they basically pressure you into\give you numerous oppurtunites to speak to professionals. i think that there is a little bit of bull shit here, and i really really dont think that this will pull through as being substantial.
ecstasy is not the answer for people dealing with problems like death. does it not drain the seretonin\happy juice from your mind? what happens after that? are they going to start prescribing mdma to emotionally depressed people as well?
who knows though.
plus big question here, hasnt it been proven that mdma causes kidney problems and short term memory lapses? or am i just being fooled by the media?

decypher · #5 (**permalink**) Dec 28, 04

I think the point is that small doses of MDMA were used to help people open up and discuss things they couldn't normally. What is harmfull is kids doing 100x the dose and wriggling around till their eyes are ready to pop out of their head. That is what is bad for you heh.

Quin600 · #6 (**permalink**) Dec 28, 04

Exactly! I can see low doses being capable of allowing people to "open up" and connect emotionally to others. breaking down anxiety and such. Recreational doses are just really fucking high...

BrownThug · #7 (**permalink**) Dec 28, 04

MDMA is not good for you.

Joanne · #8 (**permalink**) Dec 29, 04

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Originally Posted by mugsy

ecstasy is not the answer for people dealing with problems like death. does it not drain the seretonin\happy juice from your mind? what happens after that? are they going to start prescribing mdma to emotionally depressed people as well?
who knows though.

although I know pretty much know jackshit about MDMA, in regards to draining "serotonin/happy juices", how is it different from taking large amounts of antidepressants for long periods of time?

and also, if they were going to allow cancer patients to use it, I don't really think that they would give it to them in mixes or doses that you would see that people are taking at raves.

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Originally Posted by mugsy

plus big question here, hasnt it been proven that mdma causes kidney problems and short term memory lapses? or am i just being fooled by the media?

I haven't heard about the short-term memory lapses, but the link says that high doses of MDMA can cause kidney problems. but so do a lot of other drugs (i.e. midol, tylenol, etc). unfortunately, there aren't many drugs out there that have zero side effects.

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Originally Posted by decypher

I think the point is that small doses of MDMA were used to help people open up and discuss things they couldn't normally. What is harmfull is kids doing 100x the dose and wriggling around till their eyes are ready to pop out of their head. That is what is bad for you heh.

I agree... although I don't know anything about FDA approval or drug testing, I would not expect to see these cancer patients acting like a bunch of dirty, high ravers.

--Joanne :P

mugsy · #9 (**permalink**) Dec 29, 04

so i talked ot my dad about this, and he laughed at it. he was a young man of the 70's, had his fair share of drug use.
i can completely admit to the fact that my family is not good at communicating emotions, especailly about my dad being terminally ill. but thats not truely saying we are not dealing with the issue. my dad basically said it was a pretty insane idea - he feels that most people need their own time to work out the mental capacity of their newly defined fate. yes anxiety comes with it, so does anger, sadness, and even moments of happiness when you begin to realize that living every moment to its full capacity is wonderful. numerous other emotions are felt as well. its all a process, right now my dad feels guilty for being ill, which is stupid, but completely natural. forcing people into dealing with things they are not fully ready to deal with just seems redundant.
i share the same sort of idea on the subject. but again, this is one guys opinion on the matter (and one girl - myself) and my dad is a pretty intelligent and extremely logical man, with some emotionalness tied in. so he usually has a firm grasp on his life\actions\reactions\ect.

mugsy · #10 (**permalink**) Dec 29, 04

i do see that it would be in small amounts, and that these patients wouldnt be walking around asking for massages or hugging everyone they cross, it just does not seem natural to force someone into submission of feelings they may not be ready to deal with\discuss. sometimes people need time to work things out. that being said, yes some people can emotionally shut down during personal illness or if a loved one is ill, i just dont see jumping on a mdma band wagon or any other form of anti-depressant as being a good idea. there are numerous steps that can be taken before medication needs to be given out.
maybe im just a hippie?

Joanne · #11 (**permalink**) Dec 29, 04

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Originally Posted by mugsy

i do see that it would be in small amounts, and that these patients wouldnt be walking around asking for massages or hugging everyone they cross, it just does not seem natural to force someone into submission of feelings they may not be ready to deal with\discuss. sometimes people need time to work things out. that being said, yes some people can emotionally shut down during personal illness or if a loved one is ill, i just dont see jumping on a mdma band wagon or any other form of anti-depressant as being a good idea. there are numerous steps that can be taken before medication needs to be given out.
maybe im just a hippie?

unfortunately, big bucks come from a business of pill popping and quick fixes.

but I do completely agree with you... maybe I am a hippie too?

--Joanne :P

Dr. Doom · #12 (**permalink**) Dec 29, 04

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Originally Posted by mugsy

so i talked ot my dad about this, and he laughed at it. he was a young man of the 70's, had his fair share of drug use.
i can completely admit to the fact that my family is not good at communicating emotions, especailly about my dad being terminally ill. but thats not truely saying we are not dealing with the issue. my dad basically said it was a pretty insane idea - he feels that most people need their own time to work out the mental capacity of their newly defined fate. yes anxiety comes with it, so does anger, sadness, and even moments of happiness when you begin to realize that living every moment to its full capacity is wonderful. numerous other emotions are felt as well. its all a process, right now my dad feels guilty for being ill, which is stupid, but completely natural. forcing people into dealing with things they are not fully ready to deal with just seems redundant.
i share the same sort of idea on the subject. but again, this is one guys opinion on the matter (and one girl - myself) and my dad is a pretty intelligent and extremely logical man, with some emotionalness tied in. so he usually has a firm grasp on his life\actions\reactions\ect.

YPU DAD SHOULD DIE AND EATY DOOM'S SHIT, YOUR AvATAR US ST00pid!

mugsy · #13 (**permalink**) Dec 29, 04

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Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

YPU DAD SHOULD DIE AND EATY DOOM'S SHIT, YOUR AvATAR US ST00pid!

well, my dad is dying, and its from colon cancer, so as he puts it he's dying of shit cancer.

and i dont mind being stupid.

problem solved?

Only_Glory · #14 (**permalink**) Dec 29, 04

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Originally Posted by BrownThug

MDMA is not good for you.

i feel i am very pro for MDMA, not cause i do it, but i feel i read a lot about it and feel it is quite safe.
can you list me your reasons though?

Two_Six · #15 (**permalink**) Dec 29, 04

I think it might be a good idea, let's see what happens after they do more research on the subject. It might be a good idea and could help the cancer patients.

Quin600 · #16 (**permalink**) Dec 29, 04

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Originally Posted by mugsy

it just does not seem natural to force someone into submission of feelings they may not be ready to deal with\discuss.

Sometimes people cannot break that barrier themselves, even when there is no more time left. Besides, its not like it is manditory. It's drug testing, which is vollentary, not manditory. The people in these tests would want to do this in order to attempt to break barriers and say things that would normally go unsaid. They want it to happen.

mugsy · #17 (**permalink**) Dec 29, 04

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Originally Posted by Quin600

Sometimes people cannot break that barrier themselves, even when there is no more time left. Besides, its not like it is manditory. It's drug testing, which is vollentary, not manditory. The people in these tests would want to do this in order to attempt to break barriers and say things that would normally go unsaid. They want it to happen.

as i said before in the post you quoted from, yes some people do have a hard time facing the emotions and the fact that they are dying\a loved one is dying. i know this first hand. however, just as i stated before, there are numerous steps before pills to take. plus there are more natural substances one can turn to. there are so many options, that turning to something such as mdma or any other anti-depressant when you are already pumping your body full of toxins that are killing you slower then your desease seems stupid.
there are herbal remedies for calming nervousness, even for anxiety attacks. if counciling does not work for you, try meditation to calm yourself. in alot of cases where people do not talk about their problems with cancer its from the fear and nervousness that surrounds it. in some few extreme cases, people can put up full force brigades against emotions, even still, i dont see how giving someone a hallucinengenic (sp?) drug solves anything. is it not throwing them into another area of untruths? whenever i have done drugs that alter my mind set, im far far from relaity, no matter how small or large the dosage. and its usually been for escapism. but thats me. but hey, are they fat too? lets give them some speed! it just all seems like a step back in cancer research.
im sorry, but i'd much rather (and my dad would too) if they used these patients in testings for treatments and cures, not testing on how to alter their state of mind.

Joanne · #18 (**permalink**) Dec 29, 04

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Originally Posted by mugsy

im sorry, but i'd much rather (and my dad would too) if they used these patients in testings for treatments and cures, not testing on how to alter their state of mind.

but that's not what the study is about. these patients have terminal illnesses. treatment is not what they're looking for. a form of palliative care is.

--Joanne :P

mugsy · #19 (**permalink**) Dec 29, 04

^ i guess it all sums up to that everyone is different in acceptance of the desease. death is going to happen, why not make a difference towards helping others to not die, is where i stand.
theres too many negatives for me personally to accept this study.

TheCooker · #20 (**permalink**) Dec 29, 04

I know I'm getting Cancer one day, the disease is genetic, and it runs in the family. My dad survived it, but two uncles and a aunt didn't. Now you say all this pill popping may help.....MAD WERD!!! YO!!!!

What about doobies? they bad? I don't think they are!

MissBehavior · #21 (**permalink**) Dec 30, 04

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Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

YPU DAD SHOULD DIE AND EATY DOOM'S SHIT, YOUR AvATAR US ST00pid!

Dood...Even for YOU that was out of line...

I'D GIVE YOU GOOD KARMA IF I COULD!

Rytalin · #22 (**permalink**) Dec 30, 04

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Originally Posted by Ashes

i hope they come to the findings that xtc isnt actually bad for you and that it was all just the government plotting against the "black market".

They already did, like 30 years ago.

Before MDMA was scheduled in the 80s, it was known as a psychotherapeutical miracle drug. Months and months of therapy could be done within 4 hours and it wasn't just a cheap quick fix either. Patients actually were healed emotionally from it, and could get on with their lives.

but we already know this :)

Lets hope this study helps pave the way for MDMA to be made available by prescription and actually used for what it should be used for.