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Apr 02, 05
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The stupid lock on the thread about the Pope being just some dude that died..
That's ridiculous, I would much rather have a discussion about other peoples opinions than for the webmaster to decide on synical terms that the thread would only create tension and angst.
Perhaps instead of leaving it with a lock...you could redirect it with some intelligence...like for instance, I saw that he seemed to have an idea different than that of the majority. I like people who stray from normalcy, to find there own meaning in life. To say that it's anti-catholic is only a catchy way to bring people into his thread...good marketing skills right there I must say..it even stirred up enough controversy to get the lock thrown down on his views...when really the thread didn't have much to do with anti anything...just pro thought* 
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Apr 02, 05
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The pope was projected to you all as the man that made good. A well marketed face and a heart of gold with a religion that just so happens to be pop culture as well...big deal..my grandpa was just as great, but not as well photographed and non-religious*
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that thread was kinda lame anyway. the argument was something like, "how can you believe in a religious icon that can't live forever?!"
we should talk about all the occultic symbols that's connected with the Pope. Like that inverted cross, and the bent crucifixes 
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Apr 02, 05
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The inverted cross to me kinda symbolizes god coming down and connecting with the pope in some way..
I mean, instead of the cross diecting your eye to the "heavens"..it directs your eye towards the pope...and in that sense draws your eye from the heavens to the pope symbolizing to me a decent from heaven above the popes throne..*falls over
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to address a few comments
i appreciate the comments that were informative and contradictive. miss.myra i have to give it to you that has nothing directly about the thread topic, but the post was inteded to be an nonoffencive satire to illistrate my opinions. please dont take my words to seriously. regarding the crosses my thoughts are that the church evolves to stay in control of the times. symbols that have fallen into misuse or even contradict the old meaning seem fitting for the catholic church. control attempts, religous standpoints, and even sins have changed over the times. i have a hard time conforming to a set of rules in the name of a god, when i believe that even if jesus passed on gods word, its proven and accepted that man has changed it through history to suit his own likeing. another example is the king james version (arrogent polotions propoganda) --> most highly recognized publication of the holy book. thank you to everyone that took the time to figure out what i was saying. i dont hate pope John Paul, i respect him. he was a good man. i strongly disagree with the idea of a pope though. i consider him to be an idol and that he is being worshiped in place of god. im additionaly botherd by the arrogance in the church and the boastful/waistful experiences for such elaborate churchs or lifestyles. every time Jesus enterd a church, he called them liars and thieves. each time Jesus talks with god he finds him in nature. i believe in leading by example. occationaly my humor is hard to find. i apologize. the intent was to poke fun at those same things that would be used against my athiest opinions had they been reversed. i am shocked that the thread was blocked, although i am not denying the sensitivity. perhaps moderators bringing concerns about a conversations direction up directly with the individual could resolve any possible offences without coming aross so conversationally limiting.
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i too have many anti-catholic feelings. sometimes i find it ultra conservative, and the amount of power the catholic church has caused corruption filled with self interest and greed with members within the organization slippin.. it's resembles an extremely sophisticated and well developed international corporate organization that has had many rough spots of corrupt and devious activity. but in the end, i really feel that above all the bad, the mission of the catholic church has far more good than what any anti-christ can really come up with. the story of Jesus can be very hard to believe but for the believers who actually worship jesus as the son of God are in a better state of mind then the anti-christs. i presently have alot of doubts myself... i can't help but question the religion... all the way back to Jesus being born from a virgin mother, his public miracles and his resurrection. the miracles he performed were witnessed by thousands... probably why not many people who were influenced by him at the time sold him out... there were massive underground networks and this christianity cult grew exponentially, even though the risk of being caught as a christian was punishable by death. his resurrection is a hard one to believe sometimes.... because it is pretty much the true indication that he really was a god. and the only people who witnessed this were his disciples, magalene and some say barrabas witnessed this as well. these people (except barrabas) were like family to jesus and probably would of done anything for him... maybe even lie for him. it's very sketchy... i'd probably have to read up on this one when i find the time... anyhow... i know i'm taking this in another direction but thats what's been on my mind lately.... and it has been causing some discomfort for sure.
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Apr 03, 05
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the only thing i would like to say right now is in regards to biblical storys in general. God or no God, those storys came from somewhere. good possibility these men wrote what they remembered and shared it with the world - hence christanity. also possible these storys were concocted to create an unproveable loop. and then pushed by the rich, which were the only ones with say...
but i believe these storys are baised off of facts of some sort. but the storys are a embelished, marketed, and writen by men who had to sell this bible thing, or die unknown. there are possibly many truthes to be taken from the bible, but i dont believe any of it at face value. PS~~ the comment was just something that came about from conversation at home, and thought it would be taken a little differntly, though i understand my ignorance in that now. i should have guessed people would have a hard time with my humar, everyone does even in person too :P Last edited by Draven GD; Apr 03, 05 at 06:33 AM.
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Apr 04, 05
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James you make alot of good points....and so does everyone else.........personally I agree with points made on both sides.......the pope was a great man and believed in what he and the church preached......however in a way he was no different from any other leader......President, Prime minister or Dictator.........the amount of control he had over the people of the church and his followers was great enough that he could have done and lead them to do anything he wanted........so inturn the whole basis of the religion while he was pope was his interpretation of what the bible means..........these are just my thoughts and as such I don't expect everyone to share them or even agree in any way with them.......having said that please respond to it how ever you want though do not condemn me for my views and beliefs.....everyone is intitled to thier own
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Yet it does show up through out various cultures around the world.
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