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May 06, 05
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North Korea and their nuclear weapons testing
ok this whole issue is starting to get on my nerves...
article on Japan's concern on the issue i think it's pretty hillarious how North Korea is so stupid, stubborn and ignorant to how fucking hopeless they are with the way they are going. If Korea reunifies, the north's ridiculously delusional ideals for communism and socialism has got to go. They're pretty much one of the only full out secluded communist countries remaining. Their economy is just ridiculous. Their inconsistant agricultural sector brings famine to their people on a pretty regular basis. They rely on imported oil for fuel since they have no fossil fuel resources, yet they can't afford it. Outside Pyongyang, people live in darkness, no heat, and they're hungry.... I think I heard a stat that over 60% of the population suffers malnutrition. This is just the surface of an ocean of problems. Yet they decide it's feasible to spend a riduclous % of their GDP on millitary expenditures. I mean the fucking border a couple KM's from Seoul is the most heavily guarded border in the world. You walk into the DMZ you'll either get blown up by the thousands of mines planted or you'll get bucked by someone. But this nuclear program brings alot of concern to me. North Korea in my eyes has always had intentions on winning over the south to their ways in the reunification process. The south has given in to American style of capitalism and has done alot better than the north. Yeah capitalism has it's flaws and evils but communism is delusional and seriously over-idealistic. It will never work in the world we live in today. So they have to build a nuclear arsenal so that maybe the south will have to give in? hahaha gimme a fuckin break. That will be the end of them Japan should be worried since theyre the ones who fucked up Korea in the first place. The south has buried the hatchet, but the north has MAD beef. Many people in the south still feel a strong feeling of disgust towards the Japanese and how they've denied their atrocities in the early part of the 20th century. If it wasnt for the Japanese, their wouldnt of been that split. I can imagine how much north koreans have been brainwashed to HATE the Japanese. The Japanese are nothing now. Theyre an economic superpower no doubt, but after WW2, they've lost their right to offensive millitary power. They're pretty much completely dependant on the United States in the event an airstrike of nuclear bombs drop on Tokyo. I find China's post war history and North Korea's history are almost parrallel till Mao died and Deng Xiao Ping came into power. Deng realized the communist economic model was retarded and opened up the economy for trade. Look at china now. Theyre fuckin BOOMIN! North Korea decided hellzz no to that and found spending all their money on millitary bullshit a wiser decision. In the end we'll just have to see how this whole thing turns out.... I hope that the new leader of North Korea will be one who has had dissent over the economic sector more specifically.... the political state of North Korea is too much of a complicated problem to deal with but i think opening up the economy will be a huge step for a more peaceful reunification process with the south... and this would probably solve a huge number of problems the north is suffering. 
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May 06, 05
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i am not korean, but i think it'll be a good day for all koreans when north korean come to it's senses and reunites with south korean under free terms. externally, while the japanese did massively fuk up korea and the whole of asia rite up to ww2, i would add that china is not exactly innocent in the affairs of north and south korea. much of the korean war on the north side was actually fought by chinese communist. china has an obligation to help clean up the mess they partly caused.
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May 06, 05
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well i personally don't think china really contributed to the bad things... all they really did was push the UN down to Pusan (south end of the peninsula) then got pushed back up to the 38th parallel. i guess some historians figure it was a break from their taiwan issue to get to the united states more than the koreans. the chinese didnt get shit all from that... just lost a lot of men.
the problems in china with mao and the guy who took over after stalin... can't remember crazy russian names.. lets call him kafelnikov. haha but yeah their issues caused alot of problems in north korea no doubt since the russians cut off north korean support since they felt the north sides with China. anyhow am i missing something?
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May 06, 05
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Well in the past N. Korea has used their nuclear program as leverage to receive incentives for co-operation. Although with todays political climate its understandable that countries like Iran and N.Korea are furthering their technology. It's just not going to work with Isreal and the US hording so many nukes while dictating to smaller countries to stop their nuclear advancement.
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May 06, 05
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i think it's probably me that's missin somethin. i am no expert in korean history and politics that for sure. a friend of the familiy who is a canadian vet from the korean war told me that when he was fightin there, all he saw on the other side were chinese communist soldiers, which was a surprise to me. that's what prompted me to say china has some responsibility to help clean up cuz during that time, beside internal korean struggle, there was also an external component, showdown btw superpowers and political sh*t like that.
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May 06, 05
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i'd just like to point out that north korea's political system has gotten so extreme that to use it as an example of "communism" just doesn't work anymore. strictly speaking they've gone past communism, through totalitarianism, and so far out the other side that they're essentially an institutionalized cult.
There's plenty of examples of "communism" working fairly decently in the real world, from cuba (despite the embargo) to vietnam, to certain state governements in india... as for n korea spending such a large % of their gdp on the military, alot of that has to do with the fact that the biggest source of foreign income for them is the (often illicit) sales of arms and munitions and miltary services on the global market (white, grey, and black). regardless, more than anywhere else in the world north korea scares the sh!t out of me.
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May 07, 05
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I really don't think they have the economic strength to become a serious threat to the world just yet. They really fucking hate Americans, i'll give them that much though.
I saw a really interesting documentary on NK once where the government allowed two british journalists to follow around hand picked families in Pyonyang living the 'good life' so the rest of the world can see! Still, it's pretty easy to notice how completely isolated the people in that country are from everything (it's actually almost fascinating). It's apparent they also have one huge crazy totalitarian dictatorship going on with a large part of its population enlisted in the millitary, but NK's people are angry outside of the big cities. I honestly think that its political and social climate atm are too unstable to encourage North Korea to become offensive on the world stage right now.
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May 07, 05
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I wanna watch a documentary I think it's called "a state of mind" I'm pretty sure you are referring to this THey are focusing on two girls specifically right? gymnists and such.. I really really wanna watch it but have no idea where i can get it.
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May 07, 05
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meh. with all the double dealing going i wouldn't be surprised if the US "allowed" for Japan to re-arm itself to keep the countries of NK, China, and Japan in play. The arms dealers could sell to both sides, making a killing (pun intended) per usual.
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May 07, 05
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Yep, that's the documentary. It was on PBS, and I do think that through their online store you can usually purchase copies of what they show. Here's more info! http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/shows/northkorea/ Definitely worth a watch if you can.
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May 07, 05
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I just can't help finding the situation disturbingly hilarious of the US, who are actively developing new nuclear weapons, telling N. Korea to not do that, all the while, giving masses of $$$ to Israel, who are, indeed, developing their own Nuke programs...
Frosty (Welcome to 1984)
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May 07, 05
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i remember seeing these documentaries you guys are referring to... i remember watching one where a north korean woman who studied in France came back to make a documentary there... there was this disturbing interview with a north korean woman who i think was the film makers aunt... she was emotionally going on about her faith in kim il sung the father... pretty much like a god figure. it's been a while since i've seen it but the amount of how brainwashed these people are is insane. The "good life" the korean government tries to portray to the world and south korea especially is fuckin embarassing. driveby scenery of happy old korean women on the fields singing ah ri rang. hahaha and propaganda city is by far the biggest load of shit i've ever seen.
fucking north koreans.
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May 07, 05
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Economy - overview:   North Korea, one of the world's most centrally planned and isolated economies, faces desperate economic conditions. Industrial capital stock is nearly beyond repair as a result of years of underinvestment and spare parts shortages. Industrial and power output have declined in parallel. The nation has suffered its eleventh year of food shortages because of a lack of arable land, collective farming, weather-related problems, and chronic shortages of fertilizer and fuel. Massive international food aid deliveries have allowed the regime to escape mass starvation since 1995, but the population remains the victim of prolonged malnutrition and deteriorating living conditions. Large-scale military spending eats up resources needed for investment and civilian consumption. In July 2002, the government took limited steps toward a freer market economy. In 2004, heightened political tensions with key donor countries and general donor fatigue threatened the flow of desperately needed food aid and fuel aid. Black market prices have continued to rise following the increase in official prices and wages in the summer of 2002, leaving some vulnerable groups, such as the elderly and unemployed, less able to buy goods. In 2004, the regime allowed private markets to sell a wider range of goods and permitted private farming on an experimental basis in an effort to boost agricultural output. Firm political control remains the Communist government's overriding concern, which will constrain any further loosening of economic regulations. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/kn.html
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