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Old May 17, 05
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You can make a HUGE difference today...

DO NOT vote Liberal.

while you're at the polls make sure to VOTE YES to Single Transferable Vote.
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why should i not vote liberal?
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what a fucking bad ass thread. thank you for your wise suggestion, fool
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DO NOT vote Liberal.
That's like saying no to Booze.

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DO NOT vote Liberal.

while you're at the polls make sure to VOTE YES to Single Transferable Vote.
heh we have exactly the opposite views.
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While I won't comment on WHO to vote for I highly agree that we should be voting in the STV system.

It will help provide a more evenly balanced and representative gov't. When the NDP came into power years back they did so with 44,000 some odd votes LESS than the Libs. In the last election almost 44%, I believe, of votes went for other parties that ended up with little or no representation in way of seats. That's not fair to the people who want someone to have a voice for them when their chosen party is not the majority. MORE THAN ANYTHING IT HOLDS THE RULING PARTY ACCOUNTABLE FOR IT'S ACTIONS!!!

Everyone needs to be represented IMO. It's a fair system that is MUCH MORE fair than the current one. Make up your own minds but I do encourage you to really think about STV.

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c'mon now people, the clear choice is to vote NDP and get some proper scandle back into provincial parliment... none of this wishy washy drunk driving in hawaii shit, I want some actual embezzlement, or some stolen money from charities, or maybe some real estate fraud... oooo gimme more of that!

do the smart thing:

Don't let the liberals get such a large majority, but for GOD'S SAKE don't let the NDP get into power. Remember why it was they lost SO BADLY last time.
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It's just A LOT of broken promises.

Over 73 Hospitals closed or had services cut.

They promised to build 5,000 more long-term care beds by 2006.
Instead, there are fewer long-term care beds today than in 2001.

They promised to strengthen post-secondary education.
Instead, they cut per-student funding. Enrolment declined in more than one-third of BC's college-sector institutions in 2002-03, and nearly half of them in 2003-04

They promised to strengthen post-secondary education.
Instead, they cut per-student funding. Enrolment declined in more than one-third of BC's college-sector institutions in 2002-03, and nearly half of them in 2003-04.

They promised to "end feel-good advertising."
Instead, they spent millions of dollars on ad campaigns in print, radio and TV that offered little or no practical information. (it was just to tell all these rich beurochrats how well their little "garage sale of the b.c infrastructure" was going)

They promised they wouldn't lower the minimum wage.
Instead, they introduced a reduced minimum wage for new workers and students — only $6.00 an hour.
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heh we have exactly the opposite views.
Such is the beauty of a democratic society... we're allowed to have different opinions. FUN HUH!?!?!
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but also consider that STV promotes minority governments which, while beneficially moderate, are also government resource hungry.

also consider the reality of our current voting turnout. larger ridings with more candidates will favour those who ACTUALLY VOTE, which are generally richer people in the case of downtown area, and conservatives in the case of fraser valley.

im not sold on the idea but no matter what, everyone should vote on how they feel.
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hey i support anyone who gets off their ass to vote, my views are my own and though i want them to succeed, id rather have someone vote against me then not vote at all
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hey i support anyone who gets off their ass to vote, my views are my own and though i want them to succeed, id rather have someone vote against me then not vote at all
Couldn't have said it better....
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im voting yes to STV :)
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hey i support anyone who gets off their ass to vote, my views are my own and though i want them to succeed, id rather have someone vote against me then not vote at all
here here!

I'll drink to that.

As far as the STV goes... Because it does benefit a minority governmet, that can make all the difference for some serious change.

Increase funding for health care.

Lower tuitions.

That's what matters to me.
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^ where do you think the money for all of those is going to come from? is a magical unicorn going to roll in with moneybags on its back..or?
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here here!

I'll drink to that.

As far as the STV goes... Because it does benefit a minority governmet, that can make all the difference for some serious change.

Increase funding for health care.

Lower tuitions.

That's what matters to me.
WITH WHAT $$$ ??
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I'm gonna go vote for the STV thing.

But I wasn't even gonna bother voting for MLA. A Liberal will always get in where I am, so it's really a waste of time. The important election is the process of deciding which person will get to be the local Liberal candidate. And that process, as we know, is very corrupt and not under much legal control at all, anything goes.

And in my area, the main population is Mennonite and Dutch. You guessed it - one MLA is Mennonite, the other is Dutch. Members of other ethnic groups or political parties need not bother trying to get elected.

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BTW I know a chick that my MLA had sex with about 5 years ago. He was a lawyer, she had a part-time job doing nails. Now he is MLA, and she is on welfare with kids by 2 different guys. Sad story, but she was desperate to have a family any way possible, and was always trying to get something going with a series of well-off guys. One guy, a Calgary businessman, actually paid her to go away, after he realized she was a loony-tune.

That woulda been a good question for the all-candidates meeting, if someone really wanted to dig for dirt!
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^ where do you think the money for all of those is going to come from? is a magical unicorn going to roll in with moneybags on its back..or?
If the old school upper managers in gov't didn't dispise "radical" young managers such as myself who dreamed up plans to save gov't mllions of dollars we would have the budget to save other programs.

If you could have seen the stupid expenditures of funds to outdated programs that I was told "work so we are not going to replace it" you would pull you hair out.

Trying to save money in gov't is an uphill battle that I lost.

The party that governs the province isn't 100% to blame for how it is falling apart. It's the middle and upper managers that will be all retiring in the next 5 years that have clogged the system for way too long.

The problem after they leave is there are no trained and envisioned people to replace the positions the are going to vacate.
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no unicorn or magic moneybags were needed before when we had sustainable health care and lower tuition. We just had lower tuition that was capped within reason. Liberals turned school into a business and less an education facility it should be, removing the cap and skyrocketing tuition. I for one have had enough of the tuition rod up my ass. He doesnt care about students, the people who will be running this provence. So i couldnt give a fuck about gordon campbell.
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no unicorn or magic moneybags were needed before when we had sustainable health care and lower tuition. We just had lower tuition that was capped within reason. Liberals turned school into a business and less an education facility it should be, removing the cap and skyrocketing tuition. I for one have had enough of the tuition rod up my ass. He doesnt care about students, the people who will be running this provence. So i couldnt give a fuck about gordon campbell.
last time i checked it wasn't my problem that you want lower tuition then the rest of canada. now you have regular tuition keyed into the rate of inflation. how is this not fair?

please leave my taxes out of it, thanks.
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hmm so then what the hell am i going to do tonite?
is there still automatic action?


perhaps i will just save my money for the upcoming party week


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but also consider that STV promotes minority governments which, while beneficially moderate, are also government resource hungry.

also consider the reality of our current voting turnout. larger ridings with more candidates will favour those who ACTUALLY VOTE, which are generally richer people in the case of downtown area, and conservatives in the case of fraser valley.

im not sold on the idea but no matter what, everyone should vote on how they feel.
STV is a better system period, proportional representation IS a good thing rawb... yes it will promote minority governments more so than now, but you are assuming the same problems will arise as those that hinder minority governments that are voted in under the current system, such as the issues federally right now - but this won't necessarily be the case since their would be a lot less black and white style partisanship amongst MLAs.

This system already works successfully in many other countries on a federal level, one of which is Ireland, one of Europe's fastest growing economy's - it's simply fairer and worth at least giving a shot.
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