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Old Oct 05, 05
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Laptop Vendors?

Mac G4 17" Powerbook is what im thinking/ saturday is decision+purchase day

im a graphic design student @ bcit/em carr, and i believe that i have a 10% discount @ the apple store?

any vendors i should hit up, asides from internet sites, and the bigbox stores?

since were on the topic, perhaps some feedback on some other models i should check out before going for my first option? I know theres a model coming from the mac camp-boasting four processors (2xdual-core) but im not sure when?

im going to be using whatever laptop i get for EVERYTHING including loads of design work.

i would like
-the shit hottets processor i can get
-60-80gigs hard drive space
-2gigs ram
-rockstar video card
-14" or higher screen
-a tank - for durability!!!!
-cd/dvd reader/writer
-several usb ports
-half decent # of quality fans
-wireless mouse w/scroll

any suggestions from the heads?

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make that an ibook! mang we talkn some dollars with the powerbook!? what are the significant differences between the two?
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Old Oct 05, 05
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smaller hard drive space, slower processor, less processor cache, no dual monitor out, can't run in closed mode on an external monitor
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Old Oct 05, 05
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price check at london drugs..sometimes they are cheaper than the apple discount =)

ps. u in the design essentials program i assume?
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smaller hard drive space, slower processor, less processor cache, no dual monitor out, can't run in closed mode on an external monitor
im doing mainly graphic design, so im thinking ill need 60g hard drive space, and im unsure about how much ram i really need, the power book offers 2, wheres the ibook offers 1.5?? With what u mentioned about "closed mode" does that mean you can still hook up to a external monitor, on regular mode?
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if you buy from the apple site you can upgrade the hd
or you can buy an external firewire drive which may be convenient

you will need a lot of ram

closed mode is when the lid is closed. you always have to have the lid open when using it on an external monitor
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Old Oct 05, 05
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price check at london drugs..sometimes they are cheaper than the apple discount =)

ps. u in the design essentials program i assume?
design essential massif indeed!:)

are you DE alumni?
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Old Oct 05, 05
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COMD 2.5 years right now.. 1.5 to go.
how's the program treating you?
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Old Oct 05, 05
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Man, if i wasnt already 27, and in the midst of massive career change, id be doing the communication design program in a second!! DE has just started, but it seems pretty cool, a good mix of students, locations and different angles, that the curriculum comes from. Its really cool to be surrounded by creative, and motivated people again, im already finding inspiration, and already gettn back into the mix! Although im not a fan of granville island as a whole, being in those rooms, with massive ceilings, and all the xposed beams is dope. The great northern way campus is extremely lame and out of the way, but we do we gotta do. I cant stand even stand hanging @ Bcit(im at odds with school security) ESPECIALLY ON A SUNDAY! but their mac lab kicks ass!

thx fo the intel yo

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Old Oct 05, 05
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starfish on this site went through your program too. think she really enjoyed it as well. i have mixed feelings with your program cuz no offence a lot of the students are students who "get rejected get into comd" that ends up in that program (could be argued). and seriously in the 2 years you gets.. you dont cover all the important topics, and the topics you do, you skim over quickly. its a good program if you give it your all, but if you half ass it and just expect it to teach you everything you would know to get into the industry...then not so much. good luck on it...work hard and kick designs ass please.
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Old Oct 05, 05
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If you're in graphic design, definitely get the Powerbook. I've had both, and what seems like a little difference on paper, is huge when you're using it. I have the 15" PB now and I love it.

iBook info

Powerbook info

If you're a student, you should be able to access the Apple educational store online through the BCIT microstore website (if there is one).

The biggest issue is, the 15" PB is pretty much twice the price of the 14" iBook. And even more for the 17". The 12" isn't bad though, but it lacks all the bells and whistles of the 15"
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Old Oct 05, 05
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starfish on this site went through your program too. think she really enjoyed it as well. i have mixed feelings with your program cuz no offence a lot of the students are students who "get rejected get into comd" that ends up in that program (could be argued). and seriously in the 2 years you gets.. you dont cover all the important topics, and the topics you do, you skim over quickly. its a good program if you give it your all, but if you half ass it and just expect it to teach you everything you would know to get into the industry...then not so much. good luck on it...work hard and kick designs ass please.
naw, i just dont have neither the money or time. When applying for DE, they asked if i wanted to get into comdsgn, but it wasnt a feasible choice. Ive been freelancing for several years, and take a more apathetic role towards contemporary design. Im not well versed in fine art history, but ive been studying design history as a personal thing, and im really not feeling where "marketing" in general is going these days. Its too contrived, and becoming victim to its own self fulfilling prophecies. Ive managed to teach myself the ins and outs of PHTSHP CS and ILLSTRTR CS, and if i put in the grind time, i should be able to bust through dreamweaver, flash, indesign and miya. Im pretty conceptual with my work, i got resislience, and persistance and a insane work ethic (that comes from being a writer and chef for 10 years) So im gonna take what i need from DE, and combine it with my own regiment of self development and research/exploration.

There are some seriously talented cats out there, and if i hope to make a precense i have to be on my game, in not only raw ideas, but business, communications, conceptualizing, marketing, networking and just straight up desire. I come with 10 years experience in managment roles, team building, freelance writing and design. I have evolved into mainly digital and drawings, but have been graffiting for almost all my life. Ha, this sounds like a letter of intent!

Competition is easy, i just hope one day, ill be able to appreciate MY OWN work.- thats the hard part.

I hope to turn Koolmoteef into a flexible, regenerative small community of designers who bring a social/political awareness, varied backgrounds including music, fine art, more underground styles of visual mediums as well as a strong conceptual message that resonates through the written word, and seeks to change the perception of the masses, through the very lifeline that i fear will turn us to destroy eachother one day - wanton capitalism/ consumerism. I seek to do this, all the while neogtiating the steretypical pitfalls that plague, contemporary desgin, including pompous rigid codes of delivery, a pretensious self image, and ultimately something that becomes so alienating that it defeats its very own mandate. And somehow do it effectively, business soled, and enjoyabley-who knows, what we will find on horizon? Right now its, one day at a time.

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Old Oct 06, 05
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you copy and paste that outta ure cover letter?

good on ya for even going back to school at ure age. ive just seen teh curriculum for essentials and it just breezes through a lot of things. surprisngly int he comd program now there are more academics than before and covers throughly through art direction, sociology, marketing etc.. pretty neat. i just think that to throughly learn design and be able to soak it in and do a few trial and errors it takes more than 2 years to do. definatley everyone learns at diff paces, and have diff backgrounds (like yourself), but personally i find that DE sometimes gives ppl diff mind sets like "after this program im going to get into an international design firm"... but really it takes more than 2 years of experience to know your shit.
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find that DE sometimes gives ppl diff mind sets like "after this program im going to get into an international design firm"... but really it takes more than 2 years of experience to know your shit.
to each there own-

i couldnt be bothered with the foundation year at em carr, im specific in my needs for further training and realized that i would have to jump through some major hoops to bypass it, so i opted not to even bother. Whether someone is in a 1,2,4 year program, whether its private or public, whether its in New York or vancouver, its on the STUDENT at the end of the day. Theres heads at Greahme Koo that have never gone to school in their life, headz @ places such as Dossier and Blast Radius that went to schools such as VCC's 9 month program. Ive talked to friends who work at really experimental+ conceptual places like Aldrich Pears who went to langara. I know heads @ riptown media who took a one year program @ BCIT its first time around. Its whos producing in the end, every designer i know or read about, or have been inspired by, say the same thing, its what YOU put in, and in a field such as Graphic Design, one can find the tools in many places, and in many forms ya dig? if someone pipes up about how good they gonna be, who cares? who are you to say they cant? offer whatever advice you feel is beneficial, and leave the judgement for the haters.

Your initial remarks about the rejects all heading to DE after finding out they couldnt get into COMMDSGN got a good laugh from all the students and the instructors - mildly insulting, but then again, what it boils down to, is whos happy in the end.

i intend to be

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Old Oct 06, 05
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like i said.. my comment about "rejects (as you call it)" could be argued. and i did state that its what you make out of the course..which is why in the FIRST place i wished you luck and hope you do well in the program. regardless with your amazing defensive arguing skills im sure you can talk any client into liking your work anyways. the only thing i really want to see the design essentails program include are maybe a few academic classes that cover the industry more, not just studio classes. tahts my 2 cents, so that when ppl do graduate from teh program they are more well arounded than just designing. thats it.

ps. get a 15" pb, the 17" is a bit bulky, ull get sick of carrying it around.
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like i said.. my comment about "rejects (as you call it)" could be argued. and i did state that its what you make out of the course..which is why in the FIRST place i wished you luck and hope you do well in the program. regardless with your amazing defensive arguing skills im sure you can talk any client into liking your work anyways. the only thing i really want to see the design essentails program include are maybe a few academic classes that cover the industry more, not just studio classes. tahts my 2 cents, so that when ppl do graduate from teh program they are more well arounded than just designing. thats it.

ps. get a 15" pb, the 17" is a bit bulky, ull get sick of carrying it around.
ha! i had that coming-

thx yo, gluck w/ your own adventures in design, maybe well bump into eachother one day! I think im gonna get the 14"ibook instead, i can still upgrade up to 1.5g's of ram, the procesor isnt that much slower, but i still roughly about 1000$ to use for software, mouse, and a case.

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the processor in a G4 has much more cache than an ibook processor, so i wouldn't compare them by clock speed.

a 1.4ghz ibook would get blown away by a 1.4ghz powerbook with equal ram
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the processor in a G4 has much more cache than an ibook processor, so i wouldn't compare them by clock speed.

a 1.4ghz ibook would get blown away by a 1.4ghz powerbook with equal ram
g4ibook=1.42GHz PowerPC G4
512K L2 cache @1.42GHz
512MB memory (DDR333 SDRAM)
14.1-inch TFT Display
1024x768 resolution
ATI Mobility Radeon 9550
32MB DDR video memory
60GB Ultra ATA hard drive
SuperDrive (DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Built-in AirPort Extreme
Built-in Bluetooth 2.0+EDR
Scrolling Trackpad
Sudden Motion Sensor

(and im gonna upgrade to 1.5gram)=2600$

g4powerbook=15.2-inch TFT Display
1280x854 resolution
1.5GHz PowerPC G4
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Hard Drive
ATI Mobility Radeon
9700 (64 MB DDR)
Backlit keyboard
Gigabit Ethernet
FireWire 400 & 800
Analog audio in/out
DVI & S-Video out

(and if im gonna upgrade to 1.0gram)=2954$

so what am i missing here? Realistically the powerbook is outta my price range, so its not even feasible, but can you explain about the "cache"

thx

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Cache basically allows the Laptop to access it's Data quicker by 'caching' Data that it will need ahead of time so it's easier to find. A Hard Drive with a bigger Cache will serve up your info to your processor faster than one with a smaller Cache for example.
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oh and the ibook that i mentioned does have a g4 processor, so asides from the spec difference in speed, what else should i be looking into?
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Old Oct 06, 05
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Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional;
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Old Oct 06, 05
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seriously, if you're going graphic design - i'd opt for the powerbook too. just the better video card will be worth it alone.
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