2, 200

[miss.myra]

http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003...ndex.html?2200


and tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens, many innocent or otherwise uninvolved.


vietnam part deux?

[ja_raul]

am i missin somethin here or do they not show how the number of canadian casualties, wtfs up with that?

on a side note: most of those 2,200 were unnecessary deaths

[miss.myra]

..there is no Cdn military participation in Iraq.

[djmarkpaul]

As long as people see the potential Bad Guy out there somewhere, this is just posturing for the status quo to again not look in the proverbial mirror.

Myra, when you say vietnam part deux, I can understand the sentiment...but why do you feel that these things just keep happening?

Shouldn't we have learned our lesson the first time?

Why do people still keep following leaders that have their own means in mind?

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

..there is no Cdn military participation in Iraq.

That's what Haiti and Afganistan are for...and I wouldn't be surprised if there was some low-key Candian involvement, it's just something that is blocked out of the press.

[automatic]

what's potentially more interesting is the number of wounded, over 16,000, or roughly 8 wounded soldiers (generally meaning wounded to the point of having to be discharged from the services) for every 1 killed in iraq. that's a much higher ration than vietnam at 5 to 1 (304,000 wounded to 58,000 dead).

as well, apparently the degree of disability of wounded soldiers in iraq is much higher than in vietnam as well, with many more cases of loss of limb or limbs, more cases of sensory loss, especially blindness, and more brain damage. the nature of their injuries (bomb blasts as opposed to bullet holes) means that in general the wounding is much more severe. you get shot in the leg with an ak bullet, you'll probably keep the leg, but you'll have a limp. you get your legs blown clear off by a roadside bomb and you don't get away that easy.

offsetting this is the fact is that as battlefield medicine, transportation and triage has progressed, many soldiers who wouldn't have had a hope in hell are now being put back together.

what this means is that if the war continues to drag on, america will be left with a disproportionately high number of severely wounded veterans who will require lifelong care and supervision.

at the same time, the bush administration has cut funding to veteran's aid drastically over the last two terms...

sad.

[Edoe]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

..there is no Cdn military participation in Iraq.

then why is my friend ryan gettin shipped out there?
he leaves next week
i hope he gets back ok..
i havn't been following the situation over there but what the hell are they doing over there anyways?
and where they goin with it?
got a feeling that the answer to those questions are nothing and nowhere
and all those ppl have died for an unjust cause

[automatic]

^ are you sure you're not getting afghanistan confused with iraq? there are no canadian troops on the ground in iraq, although i believe there are some canadian forces stationed in other gulf states and naval forces in the gulf itself, and have been since before the 2nd gulf war started.

[fable]

and tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens, many innocent or otherwise uninvolved.
vietnam part deux?

CNN can no longer be thought of as a credible news source, without at the very least having some cross referencing done. In my studies, US casualties of war reached 2000, last october.

..there is no Cdn military participation in Iraq

Not entirely correct. Although there is no significant ground forces, there is an airborne team lending support (this is countered by a statement that these missions were "vounteered" and that pilots were in no way expected to fly- which i beleive is utter bullshit) Furthermore, there is a sizeable RCMP team heading up the training of Iraqi police, Naval Support off the coast of the gulf coast, our head of elections here in Canada took on " a supervisory" role in the last elections(please note he revealed his findings while being stationed in Jordan! and he also headed up the first series of sham elections in HAITI!! WTF!?!?! Montreal based company SNC Lavelin is supplying all the small arms amunitions. SNC-Lavelin also supplies the majority of munitions in the Afghan campaign, as well as was responsible for building the 20+ million dollar Canadian embassy in Haiti, and has several more contracts their including several bridges.

The Iraqi body count hit close to 200,000 MONTHS AGO, as far back as last summer!!

I think its important to understand that Canada alongside the US has has a more than obvious imperialistic agenda. That although canadian government publically stated that we would not support the war in Iraqi, we have postitioned ourselves in a state of support of the war in Iraq.

It is also important to note that part and parcel of the Canadian government agenda, is to RELIEVE US FORCES IN AFGHANISTAN, SO THEY CAN BE REDEPLOYED IN IRAQ.

Finally we have to realize that aside from the casualties of this war, there are close to 5 million casualties resulting in 12 years of economic sanctions that only ended less thatn a year ago!

i believe there are some canadian forces stationed in other gulf states and naval forces in the gulf itself, and have been since before the 2nd gulf war started.

I think we can honestly come to the conclusion that theyre not their to practise their slap shot.

[fable]

I would also suggest any and all who would like further accounts of the amazing struggle, and desparate situation in Iraq to check out the movie produced in late 2004 "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movie...ml?v_id=317741 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...v=glance&n=130

and check out the new fmixed media presentation produced on behalf of the Mobilization Against War and Occupation >> Canada: Imperialist Abroad, Imperialist at Home which goes into detail, describing in depth, Canadian Governments imperialistic involvement in Haiti, Aghanistan, IRAQ and ON THE HOMEFRONT. Its only 5$ - if you still will have a significant problem with affording this, ill pick you up a copy, its that important to watch.
http://www.fnk.ca/board/showpost.php...88&postcount=1

Any news reported, or news agency that was not implicitly "embedded" with the military forces in Iraq, were told repeatedly that their lives were in no way secure. This journalists, film makers, and such were consistenly rail roaded, and blockaded from significant events, areas , and happenings during the course of the invasion.

A few news sources worth checking out for more information on the happenings in Iraq

http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
http://www.reuters.com
http://firethistime.net

Some good reading material i could suggest is picking up some back issues of the New Socialist especially the issue on *Canadian Empire

also the book "The War on Truth" written by Canadian journalist Paul Robertson, who give an account of his time in Iraq over the last three years. He includes a substantial amount of information on early middle eastern history, the geneva convetion statutes that have been consistently and blatantly ignored and violated by the US administartion as well as grassroots accounts of the suffering. Although at time he takes somewhat of a reactionary apporoach, with somewhat absolving "our" government of responsibilty, he gives an exremely distrubing and honest account of the level of desperation on the parts of both the Iraq civilians, and US troops!

Please also look into the current situation of US War reistors that are currently seeking refugee status here in Canada, including Vancouver. I have developed somewhat of a close friendship with on war resistor "Kyle" who is an amazingly bright, and brave kid. And when i mean kid, i mean 20 year old who looks like hes 16. He signed on the military as a result of financial harship, and a need to purse his dream of being an engineer, and utilizing his welding. Within days of being stationed in Iraq, he was doing house to house raids. This was contrary to everything that was explained to him prior.

The US war recruiting machine has spent close to 400 million dollars over the last year trying to entice the poor, the and the depserate in the US to fight their illegal war. Since the war US troop dessertions have hit 6000!!! And all across the board the US defence department has admitted it has missed its recruitment goals. The US went so far as to trade the opportunity to apply for citizenship to foreigners in exchange for serving time in the military!!

The ever growing dissent across the globe is a direct link to the growing Iraqi resistance and the current situation in Iraq. But "dissent" is not enough. We have seen that the bush administartion alongsife that of the UK, do not care for UN regulations (why would they, they have the UN in their back pocket) and will not intend to leave until they have secured their interest in Iraqi resources, even today, when there agenda is blindly obvious! The antiwar movement today, is consistantly growing, and need the further support of everyone, to evoke more direct action and intervention into the illegal and imperialistic agenda of superpower nations such as the US, UK and Canada.

[fable]

THIS IS THE WEBSITE FOR US WAR RESISTORS SEEKING REFUGEE STATUS IN CANADA. THEIR STRUGGLES ARE OUR STRUGGLES.

http://www.resisters.ca/

[decypher]

Originally Posted by automatic

what's potentially more interesting is the number of wounded, over 16,000, or roughly 8 wounded soldiers (generally meaning wounded to the point of having to be discharged from the services) for every 1 killed in iraq. that's a much higher ration than vietnam at 5 to 1 (304,000 wounded to 58,000 dead).

as well, apparently the degree of disability of wounded soldiers in iraq is much higher than in vietnam as well, with many more cases of loss of limb or limbs, more cases of sensory loss, especially blindness, and more brain damage. the nature of their injuries (bomb blasts as opposed to bullet holes) means that in general the wounding is much more severe. you get shot in the leg with an ak bullet, you'll probably keep the leg, but you'll have a limp. you get your legs blown clear off by a roadside bomb and you don't get away that easy.

offsetting this is the fact is that as battlefield medicine, transportation and triage has progressed, many soldiers who wouldn't have had a hope in hell are now being put back together.

what this means is that if the war continues to drag on, america will be left with a disproportionately high number of severely wounded veterans who will require lifelong care and supervision.

at the same time, the bush administration has cut funding to veteran's aid drastically over the last two terms...

sad.

A new paper shows that the costs of the war, including soldier disability, could cost up to 1 trillion dollars.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...681119,00.html

[esoter1c]

If you take sanctions into consideration the US has killed MILLIONS of Iraqi's.

If you look at the amount of DEPLETED URANIUM SHELLS causing newborn Iraqi birth defects now and in the future, there is no future for Iraq.

They have been bombed/sanctioned/mutated into oblivion.

[fable]

Fuck, i cant beleive this slipped my mind. The depleted uranium shells along with use of white phosopherous, and cluster bombs that leave thousands of bomblets that resemble childrens toys, scattered across the nation are examples of horrific war crimes amongst countless others.