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Old Jan 14, 06
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MSNBC: Particle Beam Weapons Almost Ready For Battle

Wow, the US has finally admitted to constructing Tesla's particle beam weapons. This is like a conspiracy theorist's wet dream. Pure sci-fi. I'm going to post a few links after the article that I feel are relevant. You should probably also know about the new 'Global Strike' plan that the US has for Iran (and whoever else). Published in the washington post, their new strategy involves predominantly air raids, bunker busting low-yield nuclear arms, electromagnetic attack disabling the power grid (HAARP), and computer hacking. I am really shocked that this stuff turned out to be real, I remember reading about it on the internet out of my interst in sci-fi, but now here we are.

Christ, the next thing you know the Montauk project will turn out to be real or something ;)

OK, so here we go:

*** please keep in mind that they only admit to 'developing' things once they are done. the stealth bombers, for example, have been around for many decades, but were only made public in the 80s.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10805240/

Beam weapons almost ready for battle
Directed energy could revolutionize warfare, expert says



A laser fires from space toward Earth in this artistic rendering. The Air Force Research Laboratory’s Directed Energy Directorate is conducting research in a wide variety of laser weapons technologies.

By Leonard David
Senior space writer

Updated: 12:10 p.m. ET Jan. 11, 2006
LOS ALAMOS, N.M. - There is a new breed of weaponry fast approaching — and at the speed of light, no less. They are labeled "directed-energy weapons," and they may well signal a revolution in military hardware — perhaps more so than the atomic bomb.

Directed-energy weapons take the form of lasers, high-powered microwaves and particle beams. Their adoption for ground, air, sea, and space warfare depends not only on using the electromagnetic spectrum, but also upon favorable political and budgetary wavelengths too.

That’s the outlook of J. Douglas Beason, author of the recently published book "The E-Bomb: How America’s New Directed Energy Weapons Will Change the Way Wars Will Be Fought in the Future." Beason previously served on the White House staff working for the president’s science adviser under both the Bush and Clinton administrations.

After more than two decades of research, the United States is on the verge of deploying a new generation of weapons that discharge beams of energy, such as the Airborne Laser and the Active Denial System, as well as the Tactical High Energy Laser, or THEL.

"History has shown that, without investment in high technology, fighting the next war will be done using the 'last war' type of technique," Beason told Space.com. Putting money into basic and long-range research is critical, Beason said, adding: "You can’t always schedule breakthroughs."

A leading expert in directed-energy research for 26 years, Beason is also director of threat reduction here at the Los Alamos National Laboratory. However, he noted that he was expressing his own views rather than the policy of the laboratory, the Defense Department or the Energy Department.

Ripe for transformation?
Though considerable work has been done in lasers, high-power microwaves and other directed-energy technologies, weaponization is still an ongoing process.

For example, work is continuing in the military’s Airborne Laser program. It utilizes a megawatt-class, high-energy chemical oxygen iodine laser toted skyward aboard a modified Boeing 747-400 aircraft. Purpose of the program is to enable the detection, tracking and destruction of ballistic missiles in the boost phase, or powered part of their flight.

Similarly, testing of the U.S. Army’s Tactical High Energy Laser in White Sands, N.M., has shown the ability of heating high-flying rocket warheads, blasting them with enough energy to make them self-detonate. THEL uses a high-energy, deuterium fluoride chemical laser. A mobile THEL also demonstrated the ability to kill multiple mortar rounds.

Then there’s Active Denial Technology — a non-lethal way to use millimeter-wave electromagnetic energy to stop, deter and turn back an advancing adversary. This technology, supported by the U.S. Marines, uses a beam of millimeter waves to heat a foe’s skin, causing severe pain without damage, and making the adversary flee the scene.

Beason also pointed to new exciting research areas underway at the Los Alamos National Laboratory: Free-electron laser work with the Navy and a new type of directed energy that operates in the terahertz region.

Niche for new technology
While progress in directed-energy is appreciable, Beason sees two upfront problems in moving the technology forward. One issue has to do with "convincing the warfighter that there’s a niche for this new type of weapon," and the other relates to making sure these new systems are not viewed as a panacea to solve all problems. "They are only another tool," he said.

Niche for new technology
While progress in directed-energy is appreciable, Beason sees two upfront problems in moving the technology forward. One issue has to do with "convincing the warfighter that there’s a niche for this new type of weapon," and the other relates to making sure these new systems are not viewed as a panacea to solve all problems. "They are only another tool," he said.

Looming even larger is the role of those who acquire new weapons. "The U.S. could put ourselves in a very disastrous position if we allow our acquisition officials to be non-technically competent," Beason explained.

Over the decades, Beason said that the field of directed-energy has had its share of "snake-oil salesmen", as well as those advocates who overpromised. "It wasn’t ready for prime time."

At present, directed-energy systems "are barely limping along with enough money just to prove that they can work," Beason pointed out. Meanwhile, huge slugs of money are being put into legacy-type systems to keep them going.

"It’s a matter of priority," Beason said. The time is now to identify high-payoff, directed-energy projects for the smallest amounts of money, he said.

Unknown unknowns
In Beason’s view, Active Denial Technology, the Airborne Laser program and the THEL project, as well as supporting technologies such as relay mirrors, are all works in progress that give reason for added support and priority funding.

"I truly believe that as the Airborne Laser goes, so goes the rest of the nation’s directed-energy programs. Right now, it’s working on the margin. I believe that there are still ‘unknown unknowns’ out there that are going to occur in science and technology. We think we have the physics defined. We think we have the engineering defined. But something always goes wrong … and we’re working too close at the margin," Beason said.

Stepwise demonstration programs that spotlight directed-energy weapon systems are needed, Beason noted. Such in-the-field displays could show off greater beam distance-to-target runs, mobility of hardware, ease-of-operation, battlefield utility and other attributes.

Directed-energy technologies can offer a range of applications, from botching up an enemy’s electronics to performing "dial-up" destructive strikes at the speed of light with little or no collateral damage.

Beason said he has a blue-sky idea of his own, which he tags "the voice from heaven." By tuning the resonance of a laser onto Earth’s ionosphere, you can create audible frequencies. Like some boom box in the sky, the laser-produced voice could bellow from above down to the target below: "Put down your weapons."

Relay mirrors
Regarding use of directed-energy space weapons, Beason advised that "we’ll eventually see it."

However, present-day systems are far too messy. Most high-powered chemical lasers — in the megawatt-class — require onboard fuels and oxidizers to crank out the amount of energy useful for strategic applications. Stability of such a laser system rooted in space is also wanting.

On the other hand, Beason said he expected to see the rise of more efficient lasers — especially solid-state laser systems. "What breakthroughs are needed … I’m not sure. Eventually, I think it’s going to happen, but it is going to be a generation after the battlefield lasers."

Shooting beams "through space" is another matter, Beason quickly added. Space-based relay mirrors — even high-altitude airships equipped with relay mirrors — can direct ground-based or air-based laser beams nearly around the world, he said.

"So you’re using space … exploiting it. But you are going through space to attack anywhere on Earth," Beason said.

History lesson
Late last year, speaking before the Heritage Foundation in Washington, Beason told his audience that laser energy, the power sources and beam control, as well as knowledge about how laser beams interact with Earth’s atmosphere, are quite mature technologies that are ready for the shift into front-line warfare status.

"The good news is that directed energy exists. Directed energy is being tested, and within a few years directed energy is going to be deployed upon the battlefield," Beason reported. "But the bad news is that acquisition policies right now in this nation are one more gear toward evolutionary practices rather than revolutionary practices."

"Visionaries win wars … and not bureaucrats. We’ve seen this through history," Beason observed.

© 2006 Space.com. All rights reserved

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Global Strike and the plan to nuke Iran:

- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...400071_pf.html

HAARP
(the radio array in alaska that can manipulate the earth's electromagnetic field, influence the weather, cause lightning bolts many times more powerful than an atom bomb, and bounce microwaves all over the planet, rumored to have mind control applications as well... totally bugged out and definitely worth a half hour or whatever to watch)

- http://www.undergroundarchives.net/d...technology.ram
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Old Jan 14, 06
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what a stupid stupid waste of money, it may sound good and look cool in pictures or video games, but this is truly one of the most retarded advancements in technology i think were making

wait i take that back, sorta. i condone laser research for the use of laser sails for space travel, but weapons are a different story, i think someone up high watched too many sci-fi flicks
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I wonder If man will ever know peace?
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lazers are semi old news, they already use lazers for anti missile systems in the field.
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I wonder If man will ever know peace?
Never have, never will.

Our whole political system is based on conflict. Complete peace is a pipedream.
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then pass the pipe quel hombre, cuz reality sucks :(
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from reading that article it sounds like it's not even close to being utilized as a weapons system. basically it's just a scientist trying to drum up research dollars.

and there are no directed energy anti-missile system as far as i know, the ones that use lasers use them as a guide for a ballistic device.
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What we need are sharks with some freakin' laser beams. Can some one get me some sharks with freakin' laser beams?
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Laaaaasssssserrrr Beams.
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nowadays, sadly peace is out of the question. the world is run on fear. i hate fukin thinkin of nukes. its so scary. US does not understand to each county is their own. stop trying to fix probs in other coumtries, fix your own first!
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Hardly anything to have a wet dream about.

Just think about it like this, this is what's being admitted now...think of what is currently in the developing stages.

BTW, if you know enough about HAARP ... maybe you can see how this article implies that it seems to be the cause of quite a few of the frequent amount of Hurricanes, ergo:

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/hurri...lightning_9701

The weapon advances coming what seems to be over the next 30 years is something that won't stop as long as people are still complacent. If the majority of the replies in this thread is any kind of reflection of how concerned the average person is, we are going to be in a great deal of trouble.
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first of all, the article doesn't say anything abou haarp, and swecond of all...."causing hurricanes?" buddy.......IN MY HOUSE WE OBEY THE FIRST LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS!!!!!
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isnt that like...the star wars project that amurikka was ranting about LAST federal election?and that steven harper faggot was alllllllllllllllllllllllll for it?

Cuz thats what it looks like to me.And didnt the Star Wars idea get struck down in the US senate? or am I on crack?
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Hmmm. next thing you know that the little laser pointers that are sold at the dollar store will turn out to be a weapon in the near future...that's fucked up :( hahah
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This is 50's technology.

They've already genetically engineered God.

He's reading your thoughts right now.

You're dirty.:285:
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and there are no directed energy anti-missile system as far as i know, the ones that use lasers use them as a guide for a ballistic device.
http://www.military.com/soldiertech/...MTHEL,,00.html
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i didn't read a word. i assume we're talking about a "lazer" machine?
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i didn't read a word. i assume we're talking about a "lazer" machine?
RTFA OR STFU !
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i didn't read a word. i assume we're talking about a "lazer" machine?
didn't read, then why post?
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I think the issue here is that the current administration is more concerned with spending the defense budget on methods to defeat low-tech threats in the Middle East, rather than to defeat high-tech threats like China.

I suspect that in the next few years when we see China form a first-class navy, the administration's priorities will change towards a more high-technology defense focus, and things like space based lasers will become more of a priority.

Then again it may be that all of the 'fighting' with China will take place in the Middle East because of the oil. A second cold war, as it were.

If the USA doesn't get space based weapons, China will. That's why I have to raise my eyebrow at people who are so against "star wars" and such. Keep in mind that we're talking about corrupt dictators running one of the most powerful nations on earth, with a massive nuclear arsenal at their disposal. It's the USSR nightmare all over again, except worse, because China is actually adopting fairly effective economic measures (quasi-capitalism) and is not going to be a backward agrarian foe like the USSR was, at least in the early days.

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