Do you have SAD? - Page 2

SEAN! · #26 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

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Originally Posted by 3507321C

Yes well Psychology is complete shite as it is pioneered by a COKE SNIFFIN IDIOT WHO THOUGHT EVERYONE HAD AN OEDIPUS COMPLEX SO IF YOU BELIEVE IN PSYCHOLOGY YOU ADMIT TO HAVING AN OEDIPUS COMPLEX.

Freak ! :285:

once again youve proven yourself an ignorant spazz

esoter1c · #27 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

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Originally Posted by SEAN!

once again youve proven yourself an ignorant spazz

Your opinion is nil in importance.:264:

Ree Fresh · #28 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

It's also known as vitamin d deficiency. One of our main sources of Vitamin D comes from the sun. Even jsut 10 minutes a day of day light is enough to energize you up properly.

Personaly ive always notice how much the weather effects my mood. Also in a hotter climate its easy to eat less and eat less gressy food. When winter comes and you have that urg to eat fatning food it just slows down your matabalism more and make you sleepy.

Luckly im forced out side for at least 20 minutes a day. I also eat alot food that contains sun flowers or canola oil which is also high in Viamin D. I beleive thats what most vitamin D pills are made up of... sunflower seeds. You could also go tanning in a salon which helps a bit too. Of course this in the only thing a tanning salon can really use that makes them look like a healthy thing :p

So 3507321C, you might want to calm down a bit. This isnt really something our minds can control so much. Some pills arnt so bad either. Like I said vitamin D pills are basikly compressed natural resources of where we find vitamin D.

Oh and if you having mood swings or feel un ballanced mentaly... recently I herad that vitamin K is what helps ballence the mind. A good source is plums :D

ebbomega · #29 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

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Originally Posted by SEAN!

once again youve proven yourself an ignorant spazz

actually, he's talking about exactly why i gave up psychology in university. because so many things are being labelled as 'disorders' that really aren't. they're academic masturbatory terms designed to label phenomena that occur in laboratory settings. and so much of it is constrained by the laboratory that it's impossible to find any practical use of most of this research except for people to say 'gee that's neat'.

the problem with psychology is that it lumps people together and never takes the individual mind into play, but also lumps people together in a setting devoid of social context. which basically means that not only is it overgeneralizing but it's useless too.

Ree Fresh · #30 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

^ Kind of like the kids I see who are diagnosed autism, downs, and ADHD in one :D

Than again some are 'unknown diagnosed'

esoter1c · #31 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

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Originally Posted by wellbelove's

It's also known as vitamin d deficiency. One of our main sources of Vitamin D comes from the sun. Even jsut 10 minutes a day of day light is enough to energize you up properly.

Personaly ive always notice how much the weather effects my mood. Also in a hotter climate its easy to eat less and eat less gressy food. When winter comes and you have that urg to eat fatning food it just slows down your matabalism more and make you sleepy.

Luckly im forced out side for at least 20 minutes a day. I also eat alot food that contains sun flowers or canola oil which is also high in Viamin D. I beleive thats what most vitamin D pills are made up of... sunflower seeds. You could also go tanning in a salon which helps a bit too. Of course this in the only thing a tanning salon can really use that makes them look like a healthy thing :p

So 3507321C, you might want to calm down a bit. This isnt really something our minds can control so much. Some pills arnt so bad either. Like I said vitamin D pills are basikly compressed natural resources of where we find vitamin D.

Oh and if you having mood swings or feel un ballanced mentaly... recently I herad that vitamin K is what helps ballence the mind. A good source is plums :D

Listen kid the sun is real innit ?

Vitamin d is real innit ?

A disorder known as sad is made up innit ?

Ya get me ?

Good. :335:

ebbomega · #32 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

down's syndrome and autism are genetic defects. very different from behavioural disorders.

adhd is a real thing, as i've had to deal with adhd kids in summer camp. not the funnest kids to lead, but goddamnit if they don't think in a different way that lets them see things in a light you would never ever consider. they're some of the smartest kids i've ever worked with. on top of it, some of these kids definately didn't need to be hyped up on speed, but were anyways because their parents didn't feel like dealing with them. makes me fucking angry.

ebbomega · #33 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

esoteric, i don't think people are saying that it's not real, but the fact that it's treated like a disease is bullshit.

decypher · #34 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

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Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

I don't think it makes SAD any less real, just because people are making money off of it.

No one stated that SAD was any less real only that so many people use anti-depressants to fix this problem or any other sort of minor depression they may have. There are many other fixes to the problem that simply ask for a bit more determination and hard work rather then eating a pill.

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my only argument was that sad does exist and that alot of people don't use pills to treat it. How is that irrelevent?

It's irrelevent because 3507321C never claimed that everyone used pills to treat conditions such as SAD. So basically you were just stating a premise juxtaposed with another premise which doesen't actually form an argument or even engage what he was saying. He was just speaking to the people who do use pharms to improve their lives; i've seen it destroy some close family members. So really there was no argument there or reason for you get angry at him for stating his conflict theory analysis of pharm companys. It's definately equivocal.

That being realized i do understand the use of these drugs and how they have enriched many lives and also how they have affected people negatively. So really i don't see the argument hear. It's relative.

SEAN! · #35 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

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Originally Posted by ebbomega

actually, he's talking about exactly why i gave up psychology in university. because so many things are being labelled as 'disorders' that really aren't. they're academic masturbatory terms designed to label phenomena that occur in laboratory settings. and so much of it is constrained by the laboratory that it's impossible to find any practical use of most of this research except for people to say 'gee that's neat'.

the problem with psychology is that it lumps people together and never takes the individual mind into play, but also lumps people together in a setting devoid of social context. which basically means that not only is it overgeneralizing but it's useless too.

no i contend that he is just a useless idiot spouting off about somehting that he read on www.plantamicrochipinyourear.com

though what you think he said can be said about every academic discipline ranging from sociology, economic, political science, etcetra. while these categories may not be concrete and are most likely explained by a multitude of factors. (thus explaining the merits of interdisciplinary studies) to say that psycholoigical disorders/ categorizations have no merit or do not exist at all in real life is an extreme and inaccurate statement. The reality is due to the nature of psychology as well as its propenents strict adherence to perpetuating the idea that what they study is a pure science, they make up rather arbitary definitions of different disorders. as a result they do not reflect the multitude of factors which contribute to a specific individual's behaviour. these defintions are general archetypes which do not accurately reflect the spectrum of traits, symptons or behaviours which constitute disorder or something that is more denign. These archtypes exist because they are necessary to undersatnd the etiological root of a given person's disorder or traits.

when you witness the amount of cormorbidity of psych disorders or take a look at the dsm criteria for any disorder its easy to recognize that specific definitions are arbitary and that 'disorder' is rather more of a spectrum constituting a number of factors. however to look at that and conclusively say that all of psycholgy is usless bullshit is not only ignorant but also ignores the role these archtypes play in determing the causal root of specific behaviours. It also ignores the role interdisciplinary studies have in played in further describing and explaining the meaning and source of these disorders as well as all the other basic archtypes deveolped in all academic disciplines.

Though interdisciplinary studies aren't usually covered before fourth year or post graduate level courses.

**kiMMie** · #36 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

I'm sorry... I hear a Tom Cruise echo in this thread

Just to clarify, I'm not a doctor or a pharmaceutical rep. I'm not quite fond that a company like Merck makes billion on Lipitor or that doctors' hand it out like candy on Hallowe'en, but some people in our society have benefited from it...perhaps it worked for them?

My intention was not to "diagnose" anyone. You, unfortunately, are creating a different argument in a mere informative thread.

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Originally Posted by 3507321C

Yes well Psychology is complete shite as it is pioneered by a COKE SNIFFIN IDIOT WHO THOUGHT EVERYONE HAD AN OEDIPUS COMPLEX SO IF YOU BELIEVE IN PSYCHOLOGY YOU ADMIT TO HAVING AN OEDIPUS COMPLEX.

Freak ! :285:

**kiMMie** · #37 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

As for psych disorders... try working on a mental health ward for 3 months, read about your patients' histories, interact with them for 10 minutes and THEN explain to me that most of the "disorders" all of you speak of do not exist

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Originally Posted by 3507321C

SAD was never round till 3 years ago when some pharmacorp fuckface made it up to sell more pills.

Perhaps you should take another look at the Canadian Journals of Medicine. SAD has been around since the 80's.

First noted in 1840's.

Thanking YOU for coming out.

esoter1c · #38 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

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Originally Posted by kiMMie

As for psych disorders... try working on a mental health ward for 3 months, read about your patients' histories, interact with them for 10 minutes and THEN explain to me that most of the "disorders" all of you speak of do not exist

It went from SAD being a bullshit "disorder" to "most of the "disorders" all of you speak of do not exist" !

All I'm sayin is SAD is not a fucking disorder.

It's a natural human emotion that does not need to be made into some DISORDER that more than likely needs treatment with pills.

If you're sad you're sad ok, you're not the victim of some made up bullshit disorder.

I understand you are a nurse trying to help, but you're not if you're merely parroting pharmacorp bullshit.

ps: Sean get a new thesaurus, yours is old.:285:

esoter1c · #39 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

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Originally Posted by kiMMie

As for psych disorders... try working on a mental health ward for 3 months, read about your patients' histories, interact with them for 10 minutes and THEN explain to me that most of the "disorders" all of you speak of do not exist

Perhaps you should take another look at the Canadian Journals of Medicine. SAD has been around since the 80's.

First noted in 1840's.

Thanking YOU for coming out.

LMFAO !

Wow its in a PHARMACORP Journal of medicine, boy you sure showed me.

Sadness was first discovered in the 1840's then was it.

I guess we've only been depressed and SAD since then.

Seriously think, don't believe everything some fuckin quack doctor tells you.

Do you know that most medications are PLACEBOS !?

Doctors are just fuckin snake oil salesman.

Wake Up n' don't promote bullshit.

**kiMMie** · #40 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

Actually, I believe YOU were the one that was cheerleading about how "pills are being advertised by money hungry companies to cure fake disorders".

I also believe there were other "treatments" listed in my original post... I do believe the very first one, if you can remember that far back, was "light therapy". I did re-iterate that again my conclusion... didn't I?? And I'm sorry... half a million people in our very large world is not THAT many people that have claimed to be diagnosed with this "disorder".

So please... sit back, relax, reminisce about Shambala again and enjoy your Monday.

PS... I would hate to think that one day when you're old and in a nursing home people may doubt your depressive/demented state and leave that untreated.

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Originally Posted by 3507321C

It went from SAD being a bullshit "disorder" to "most of the "disorders" all of you speak of do not exist" !

All I'm sayin is SAD is not a fucking disorder.

It's a natural human emotion that does not need to be made into some DISORDER that more than likely needs treatment with pills.

If you're sad you're sad ok, you're not the victim of some made up bullshit disorder.

I understand you are a nurse trying to help, but you're not if you're merely parroting pharmacorp bullshit.

ps: Sean get a new thesaurus, yours is old.:285:

esoter1c · #41 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

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Originally Posted by kiMMie

Actually, I believe YOU were the one that was cheerleading about how "pills are being advertised by money hungry companies to cure fake disorders".

I also believe there were other "treatments" listed in my original post... I do believe the very first one, if you can remember that far back, was "light therapy". I did re-iterate that again my conclusion... didn't I?? And I'm sorry... half a million people in our very large world is not THAT many people that have claimed to be diagnosed with this "disorder".

So please... sit back, relax, reminisce about Shambala again and enjoy your Monday.

Funny I noticed #2 as ANTI-DEPRESSANTS.

I must be crazy or something cause I swear #2 is ANTI-DEPRESSANTS.

Wierd.:285:

**kiMMie** · #42 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

Yes... and I do believe I did state light therapy was 85% effective.

*sigh* You're reaching now.

SEAN! · #43 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

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Originally Posted by 3507321C

LMFAO !

Wow its in a PHARMACORP Journal of medicine, boy you sure showed me.

Sadness was first discovered in the 1840's then was it.

I guess we've only been depressed and SAD since then.

Seriously think, don't believe everything some fuckin quack doctor tells you.

Do you know that most medications are PLACEBOS !?

Doctors are just fuckin snake oil salesman.

Wake Up n' don't promote bullshit.

hey asshole, youre clearly clueless, why dont you pop another microdot and take a look at your signature.

sadness in 1840 huh?(i know you dont like wikipedia, but its a better source then www.paranoidschizophrenicconspiracytheories.net)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melancholy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomy_of_Melancholy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanguine

how about this?
http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au...stotle/memory/

p.s most medicines are not placebos, but i guess a dumbass like you wouldn't understand how a scientific study is conducted.

p.p.s modern pharmacology didnt exist in 1840 so that even if what you say about disorders is true it none of the currently existing big pharma companies existed. in fact Asprin (acetylsalicylic acid) which usherd in the existance of modern pharmacuticals didnt exist in a commercial form until well after the 1840s...goodbye conspiracy theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin

esoter1c · #44 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

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Originally Posted by SEAN!

hey asshole, youre clearly clueless, why dont you pop another microdot and take a look at your signature.

sadness in 1840 huh?(i know you dont like wikipedia, but its a better source then www.paranoidschizophrenicconspiracytheor ies.net)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melancholy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomy_of_Melancholy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanguine

how about this?
http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au...stotle/memory/

p.s most medicines are not placebos, but i guess a dumbass like you wouldn't understand how a scientific study is conducted.

Try reading the thread b4 you make a complete ass of yourself again.

1840...not my stat champ.

:285:@WIKIPEDIA !!!!! What a tard u r.

**kiMMie** · #45 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

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Originally Posted by 3507321C

LMFAO !

Wow its in a PHARMACORP Journal of medicine, boy you sure showed me.

Sadness was first discovered in the 1840's then was it.

Here's a little something from the CMAJ. I hope you can understand the medical mumbo jumbo. I do believe it does support my arguement of light therapy as a first-line of treatment.

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/...urnalcode=cmaj

And I never said it was "discovered", it was noted. It was named in the 80s. May I suggest that you read a bit more clearly before posting your rants?

Does "treatments include" mean that it IS the only treatments?? I don't think so...

SEAN! · #46 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

you have no reading comprehnsion skills what so ever do you?

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Originally Posted by 3507321C

Try reading the thread b4 you make a complete ass of yourself again.

1840...not my stat champ.

:285:@WIKIPEDIA !!!!! What a tard u r.

diva · #47 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

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As for psych disorders... try working on a mental health ward for 3 months, read about your patients' histories, interact with them for 10 minutes and THEN explain to me that most of the "disorders" all of you speak of do not exist

no kidding.

most of the idiots who've responded to this thread have had no primary, or secondary experience for that matter, with the subject matter being discussed in this thread.

esoter1c · #48 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

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Originally Posted by SEAN!

you have no reading comprehnsion skills what so ever do you?

Ok Billly nice try... Last edited by SEAN! : 11 Minutes Ago at 02:24 AM.

The 1840 thing was not mine.

I really don't think you comprende.

SAD is not real....mmmmmmmk ?

Being sad is life.

Reading Wikipedia is pathetically sad..:285:

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Does "treatments include" mean that it IS the only treatments?? I don't think so...

I get ya Kimmie, I just really hate anti-depressants for any reason.

I think 50% of US high school girls being prescibed AD's is disgusting.

"Runnin' for the shelter of her mothers lil' helper....."

diva · #49 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

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Yes well Psychology is complete shite as it is pioneered by a COKE SNIFFIN IDIOT WHO THOUGHT EVERYONE HAD AN OEDIPUS COMPLEX SO IF YOU BELIEVE IN PSYCHOLOGY YOU ADMIT TO HAVING AN OEDIPUS COMPLEX.

Freak !

omg.
go back to school and take a remedial Logic 101 course, please.
:(

SEAN! · #50 (**permalink**) Jan 23, 06

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Originally Posted by 3507321C

Ok Billly nice try... Last edited by SEAN! : 11 Minutes Ago at 02:24 AM.

The 1840 thing was not mine.

I really don't think you comprende.

SAD is not real....mmmmmmmk ?

Being sad is life.

Reading Wikipedia is pathetically sad..:285:

I get ya Kimmie, I just really hate anti-depressants for any reason.

I think 50% of US high school girls being prescibed AD's is disgusting.

"Runnin' for the shelter of her mothers lil' helper....."

no i fully understand you, but did you understand kimmie's article which you were quoting? i ask because you didnt understand my quote and its clear you didnt understand her's either.

by the way where did you get your 50% AD stat from?