finding faith

[scue]

This is in so many pieces, and so much stuff is left out, but if you can reflect in any way, please share. I would love to read. Thanks

I've found faith of some sort. I've seen examples of people that are, let's say Ned Flanders. I believe that the said higher power would prefer us to enjoy our lives than to weaken/submit ourselves to praise. The good and evil balance is existent. I'm sorry I don't yet believe in absolutes, but that may change. Anyways, our actions obviously affect everyone, so why not think about everything you do beforehand. Is it going to harm somebody? Are you going to regret it later? (for your own good and for others) Talking behind somebody's back, stealing, turning a cold shoulder, ditching, ridiculing somebody, etc... and even changing yourself to appeal to others. None of these should become a habit or come to mind at all.

I've found that not only does this improve the entire atmosphere (energy that surrounds us) but this power may infact work with us in turn for good we do.

A higher power gives us comfort knowing that we are not alone and that someone is always working with us. I felt that no-one really understands who I am, what I work for, and how much thought goes unnoticed, untill I met with this faith. I'm starting to understand alot about the world. I'm not more observant yet, because I always was, but I'm starting to give my part back. So if you don't say that this faith is a good thing, I'll argue it.

I think differently

I just thought about regrets from the other night. I treated somebody like garbage. But instead of thinking..:

a. That was stupid
b. I totally messed up somethin good.
c. F****, F**** etc. (I just end up beating myself up)

I'd rather think:

a. That was stupid
b. It's in the past, can't change it.
c. I can still talk to her and apologize. Even if that means never seeing her again, we have found (will find) peace.


Small example, but example still.

I used to believe in something I couldn't understand. It was wierd. Like everything had a parallel, not necissarily good/evil, but that certain actions led to totally unrelated/undeserved results. It helped me clean up, but it totally messed me up. This isn't understandable in any way because I can't describe it, but I may come back to it.

[obscure]

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[Goodfellow]

Im feelin that.... it's all about a path to righteousness. The only way we can truely be where/ who we want to be, is if we balance out the karmatic energies around us. There are counsils that decide if our actions deserve a key to opening a new level of freedom along our path. God's kingdom is the ultimate place at the end of the road. The more we strive for excellence, the more it becomes a habit and thats sorta the quickest way down the sacred path. as well as being able to control emotions and not makin irrational decisions and thinkin negative things over bad things that have happened. Our final destiny was already agreed upon before we entered this life, but getting there is not necessarly "destined" .. that part is up to us. I fully believe in reincarnation, as I know I've lived many many lives. I dno about you but I have very vivid memories of certain lives.. like where I lived, what the house looked like, where I hung out etc..

A lot, I believe, has to do with having a dream.. thats what keeps me going. Once a dream clicks with you, you start to realize what your purpose is.

Well, I could go on forever really haha.. nice to see somebody talkin about this kinda stuff on here though.

[mojo]

im confused. are you referring to faith in god?

anyways, i understand a bit. part b. rings true. the past is the past, you cant change it so dont waste much time dwelling on it. easier said then donw i know, but its the first step to forgiveness, of yourself and others.

ps: just call the bird and ask her to lunch. stop thinking so much as well.

[scue]

Good to hear people. Gives us something to think about.

Mojo. Yes, for the most part. But it's also within myself/yourself. And yeah, i'd almost rather her not associate me with lousy memories, than to see her again.

I do think too much. From the outside looking in especially. (I never see for myself, but rather what other people see)

[Goodfellow]

May sound corny, but reading the bible helps a lot I find

I don't really believe in all the crazy stories n' all that.. just the messages you get out of it, that you can apply to your personal life.

[dabbler]

"A higher power gives us comfort knowing that we are not alone and that someone is always working with us. I felt that no-one really understands who I am, what I work for, and how much thought goes unnoticed, untill I met with this faith."

i'm all for doing what you feel is needed, but deciding that something exists with no proof, purely to make you feel better about yourself seems a little naive to me. you should just take that attitude, and better yourself and the peope/world around you, and leave out the higher power business. imho

[mojo]

Originally Posted by dabbler

i'm all for doing what you feel is needed, but deciding that something exists with no proof, purely to make you feel better about yourself seems a little naive to me. you should just take that attitude, and better yourself and the peope/world around you, and leave out the higher power business. imho

yes but if it makes him feel better what is wrong with that?

i feel the same as you and realize that im here on my own, and thats a shit deal, but if faith in something or someone else makes him feel better about himself i say more power to him.

[scue]

Originally Posted by dabbler

"A higher power gives us comfort knowing that we are not alone and that someone is always working with us. I felt that no-one really understands who I am, what I work for, and how much thought goes unnoticed, untill I met with this faith."

i'm all for doing what you feel is needed, but deciding that something exists with no proof, purely to make you feel better about yourself seems a little naive to me. you should just take that attitude, and better yourself and the peope/world around you, and leave out the higher power business. imho

I don't see a problem with it. Frankly, it should only be my concern I guess. But if I make a relationship with something... even if it's my subconcious, but it does in fact serve as a guide towards better, I don't think there's much to argue about it. But to each his own of course.

I'm pretty sure we're all after the same thing, but we choose/or have the ability to interpret it differently

[Goodfellow]

Originally Posted by dabbler

i'm all for doing what you feel is needed, but deciding that something exists with no proof, purely to make you feel better about yourself seems a little naive to me. you should just take that attitude, and better yourself and the peope/world around you, and leave out the higher power business.
imho

How do you think you got here then? How were you given life and intelligence? Was it just a random coincidence? I believe in evolution, but there has to be something guiding the evolution.

People who believe in God don't need physical proof. God's existance is proved to yourself throughout your own life in unique, subtle ways. If you are a person who doesn't build your knowledge and understanding of the powers and spirits around you, then it's not something that you can understand/relate to.

When you die, you'll find out.

[dabbler]

haha, ya i guess i will then won't i? lol

[tiedye]

I always thought that if heaven truly exists, they better have cake. And if it's stale, you know whose face is hitting the icing first!

ps. to each his own

[decypher]

Dabbs is such an existentialist heh.

Soren kierkgaard coined the phrase "leap of faith," where faith in something, he believed, was to deny the rationality of it. True faith, he said, was to doubt at the same time. Faith without doubt is no faith at all.

[ebbomega]

You're right, it is a little fragmented, but you're on the right track.

I had a similar revelation a couple years back. Basically that there's no use crying over spilt milk. Since this discovery, many good things have happened to me:
- moved out of my parents' basement
- got a (entrylevel) job in the tech industry
- moved back to Vancouver
- got a girlfriend
Not that I hadn't had all these things at one point before, but this time around it seems like I've actually worked myself into this spot... It kinda feels a bit more justified in where I'm at in life.

Humility before the forces that guide us is key. Understand that no matter where you put yourself, it can always be taken away. That's one key thing that oft gets misinterpreted as "those who don't go to church therefore are going straight to hell", the "Ned Flanderses" of which you speak. Those people aren't humbling themselves so much as expecting others to humble themselves as well as they do. These people are not what I would call "spiritual".

Follow those who seek truth, but be wary of all those who claim to have found it.

I have no clue what this wave I've been riding for the past year and a half has been, but it's definately improved my life.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by mojo

im confused. are you referring to faith in god?

I think he is, but that's my interpretation. Call it "God" if you want, it's the way of life. this is how people live. Applying it with such a generic term as "god" is useful, but unfortunately with people like Dubya bandying about the word when discussing killing terrorists, that word has a stigma about it that has people running away from religion in hoardes. A new kind of spirituality is necessary now... one of humanism and empowerment. One that helps you take control of your own destiny, because if you don't, trust me, nobody else will.

I have faith but I most definately am not a religious person. Unless you count rock climbing, smoking weed and raves as religions (rituals to celebrate existence and commune in fellowship with other people).

[mojo]

ya, i was sceptical to type that actually. god is such an objective term.

[Goodfellow]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

You're right, it is a little fragmented, but you're on the right track.

I had a similar revelation a couple years back. Basically that there's no use crying over spilt milk. Since this discovery, many good things have happened to me:
- moved out of my parents' basement
- got a (entrylevel) job in the tech industry
- moved back to Vancouver
- got a girlfriend
Not that I hadn't had all these things at one point before, but this time around it seems like I've actually worked myself into this spot... It kinda feels a bit more justified in where I'm at in life.

Humility before the forces that guide us is key. Understand that no matter where you put yourself, it can always be taken away. That's one key thing that oft gets misinterpreted as "those who don't go to church therefore are going straight to hell", the "Ned Flanderses" of which you speak. Those people aren't humbling themselves so much as expecting others to humble themselves as well as they do. These people are not what I would call "spiritual".

Follow those who seek truth, but be wary of all those who claim to have found it.

I have no clue what this wave I've been riding for the past year and a half has been, but it's definately improved my life.

werd man

I had a revelation at one point in my life. ever since then, my life has become sooo much more fulfilling and happy.

I don't consider myself religious at all, although I do sorta take in bits and pieces of christianity and budhism and all that.. but I'll never be like DIE HARD CHRISTIAN XTREME IM RIGHT UR WRONG !!!

Earth is comin into a Golden Age according to some spiritual teachings i've read about. More and more people are tuning into a higher vibrational frequency to live their lives.. I have definitely noticed more people getting to the next levels of freedom and spirituality.

[scue]

good to know theres some common thoughts around here.

It's kinda like feedback. (feedback) for me..

weak example again, but:..

i'm waiting (pray? ask?) for courage to do something, and it comes.., so if that was not external, then I don't have anyone to thank but myself, right?


well, then, it keeps going in a positive cycle. Requesting, Living, Recieving,.




oh yeah... im drunk again, so I left out parts in hopes that people who are the same way, may piece it together and understand.