You selfish bastard!

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by zarlon

i understand that these seem like only negative things but believe me there is something to be learnt from this. for every cause there is an effect.

to change society, maybe we need to stop hating so much - and try to understand, like, really understand, instead of just spouting negativity and how wrong things are.

Sure some people are forced in social situations are so surrounded in bullshit just getting out of their own mess is enough work, let alone the work our society needs to go through. Granted. I ain't talking to them. Those are mainly the low middle, to low classes living on the poverty line. I am talking to you sweetheart, all the later teens to 20 somethings that grow up in the information age, we are so spoiled with how much is under our fingertips to potentially learn, but guess what, the oppurtunity is wasted. We want our material plunder. You ain't down unless you got your camera phone and nano ya heard?

Many people here that have a voice are living for plastic music boxes, and are ignoring the fact that we are being buried alive by war and security measures constantly increasing.

Ya know what...I don't only hate, and a little hate can actually be healthy. If you are not doing what you can to save the essence of human spirit, I think you are a parasite and I hate some part of you for that. If you don't think that is healthy of me to do so, fine. I can forgive, but you know why I'm so bitter. It's because I've tried...many times...people aren't ready to face the truth, they are just in their own pathetic myspace tunnel vision dreamland. They don't stand for truth, because their ego can't admit they could be wrong. It is so pervese and it makes me sick to sometimes even look at such people as they mindfuck themselves into thinking that what they are doing is a even near sustainable approach. It's not even that we don't have technology to repair the problem on this planet, it is that people won't get over the idea that we are being fed a massive lie. Plain and simple.

[Senior]

Declaration of Independence in 1776

"rights such as life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness are natural and inherent to the individual — they are fundamental to his very being. Government’s purpose, as the Declaration expresses, is to protect, but not regulate or destroy, the exercise of those fundamental rights. And when government violates that mandate, the people have the right to alter their government or even abolish it, in extreme cases through violent revolution."

Has this been completely lost to the American people? I think so.

[wishbone]

teal deer

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[esoter1c]

Toilet Bowl in 3....2....1...

[decypher]

[QUOTE

Option 1:Words
Option 2:Actions

One speaks louder.[/quote]

not necessarily directed at esoteric...

Well the problem with the "action speaks louder than words" logic is that you need both to facilitate each other. In order to have action you need the words, the rhetoric, in order to manifest these movements.

Since words have the power to influence, whether you are persuading a friend to see your point of view, writing a book or rallying a protest, you are all promoting action through words. This would make words louder than action because action is a subsequent result of thoughts and words. Without those experiences, conditionings, and regimentations we put ourselves through to espouse certain ideals, the actions have no impetus.

The zeistgeist of the 60s had that quality of collectivity because of many social/political/economic factors, provoked by new ways of thinking amoungst the youth. In comparison the youth today are too comfortable. I agree with everything above to do with collective action and thought. What is really happening is an increase in individuality in the social/political/economic spheres insofar as people are increasingly more interested in what can better their own familys or themselves rather then the common good.

This can be seen in Canada with it's decentralization over the century and it's slow shift away from social programs, embracing more privatized methods. This is also seen in America with a whole country built on a individualistic perspective. What was once a noble cause for freedom from european oppression, stressing rights and freedoms for all (unless you were female or a minority), is now a country where the disparity between the rich and poor is disgusting. This liberal notion that the capitalist market will allow for people, who put hard work in to their jobs, will succeed, has become a farce in the face of outsourcing and other such things. This liberal notion that globalization would benefit poor countries has also been shown to be flawed as IGO's control the entire system, benefiting certain nations more.

So what we have is an increase in individualism in these various spheres and a decrease in individualism when it comes to things such as creative thought, radical action, changing the status quo. As people feel the increased pressure to support their familys to make that cashmoney to survive in this overpriced world they are left with that decision--stick with the status quo or go against the grain. Current mainstream political thought centres around 'what is' not what 'ought to be.'

With this culture of fear that surrounds us, counterbalanced with the strain to succeed, all lightly seasoned with constant consumer bombardment, it is no wonder humans act in such a way. I guess it would be sort of cynical to assert that the homogenization of culture brought on by western hegemonic domination, following the cold war, suggests a no turning back point for humanity. We are simply too many, with too few a voice. Our planet is currently not sustainable and the only way i can see it changing is if we can overthrow the world government and make the technology and take on the policy needed to make it happen. But how long until the few who have risen to organize this new society start using it for their own benefit. Everytime there is a failed state you have militant groups fighting for power. This is what the world would be like if we overthrew all the governments. So where do you start? Continue on with our quest that so many before us have devoted their lives to. Make it the societal norm to tune out of the psuedoreality-tv shows, be mindful of what is going on in the world, spread that knowledge and be true to yourself. Start with the thoughts, then the words. The action will come in time. If it doesen't, then humanity was never supposed to live to this length of consumption and hedonistic heaven. We're just a runaway train waiting to finally consume itself.

So either be complacent or transcend de facto imprisonment.

And believe me, it isn't easy when you have been conditioned your whole life to live a certain way. Humans are inherently pleasure seeking which producess this selfish archetype that Markpaul speaks of. You have to roll back everything you've learned just to make those strides forward. One of the most important things to remember is that there are good people out there. There are people who help in there own way without espousing a radical view of the world. There are responsible, hard working familys who help the needy and are compassionate for what is going on in the world. As i showed above, it's easy to get really cynical about the world, but it is also easy to forgot about the simple beautiful things in nature. How simple actions and a thoughtful gesture can tranform lives. Notice how when i talk about the macro-complexities of society and consumer culture everything gets so cynical and hopeless but when you concentrate on small simple things such as sharing a smile with a stranger on the street, things don't seem so bad afterall. Maybe this is the root of all individualism.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by decypher

not necessarily directed at esoteric...

Well the problem with the "action speaks louder than words" logic is that you need both to facilitate each other. In order to have action you need the words, the rhetoric, in order to manifest these movements.

Since words have the power to influence, whether you are persuading a friend to see your point of view, writing a book or rallying a protest, you are all promoting action through words. This would make words louder than action because action is a subsequent result of thoughts and words. Without those experiences, conditionings, and regimentations we put ourselves through to espouse certain ideals, the actions have no impetus.

The zeistgeist of the 60s had that quality of collectivity because of many social/political/economic factors, provoked by new ways of thinking amoungst the youth. In comparison the youth today are too comfortable. I agree with everything above to do with collective action and thought. What is really happening is an increase in individuality in the social/political/economic spheres insofar as people are increasingly more interested in what can better their own familys or themselves rather then the common good.

This can be seen in Canada with it's decentralization over the century and it's slow shift away from social programs, embracing more privatized methods. This is also seen in America with a whole country built on a individualistic perspective. What was once a noble cause for freedom from european oppression, stressing rights and freedoms for all (unless you were female or a minority), is now a country where the disparity between the rich and poor is disgusting. This liberal notion that the capitalist market will allow for people, who put hard work in to their jobs, will succeed, has become a farce in the face of outsourcing and other such things. This liberal notion that globalization would benefit poor countries has also been shown to be flawed as IGO's control the entire system, benefiting certain nations more.

So what we have is an increase in individualism in these various spheres and a decrease in individualism when it comes to things such as creative thought, radical action, changing the status quo. As people feel the increased pressure to support their familys to make that cashmoney to survive in this overpriced world they are left with that decision--stick with the status quo or go against the grain. Current mainstream political thought centres around 'what is' not what 'ought to be.'

With this culture of fear that surrounds us, counterbalanced with the strain to succeed, all lightly seasoned with constant consumer bombardment, it is no wonder humans act in such a way. I guess it would be sort of cynical to assert that the homogenization of culture brought on by western hegemonic domination, following the cold war, suggests a no turning back point for humanity. We are simply too many, with too few a voice. Our planet is currently not sustainable and the only way i can see it changing is if we can overthrow the world government and make the technology and take on the policy needed to make it happen. But how long until the few who have risen to organize this new society start using it for their own benefit. Everytime there is a failed state you have militant groups fighting for power. This is what the world would be like if we overthrew all the governments. So where do you start? Continue on with our quest that so many before us have devoted their lives to. Make it the societal norm to tune out of the psuedoreality-tv shows, be mindful of what is going on in the world, spread that knowledge and be true to yourself. Start with the thoughts, then the words. The action will come in time. If it doesen't, then humanity was never supposed to live to this length of consumption and hedonistic heaven. We're just a runaway train waiting to finally consume itself.

So either be complacent or transcend de facto imprisonment.

And believe me, it isn't easy when you have been conditioned your whole life to live a certain way. Humans are inherently pleasure seeking which producess this selfish archetype that Markpaul speaks of. You have to roll back everything you've learned just to make those strides forward. One of the most important things to remember is that there are good people out there. There are people who help in there own way without espousing a radical view of the world. There are responsible, hard working familys who help the needy and are compassionate for what is going on in the world. As i showed above, it's easy to get really cynical about the world, but it is also easy to forgot about the simple beautiful things in nature. How simple actions and a thoughtful gesture can tranform lives. Notice how when i talk about the macro-complexities of society and consumer culture everything gets so cynical and hopeless but when you concentrate on small simple things such as sharing a smile with a stranger on the street, things don't seem so bad afterall. Maybe this is the root of all individualism.

Action speaks louder than words but not nearly as often.
Mark Twain

[fable]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

Fable says:
Three years ago, 38 million people worldwide took to the streets and what has come of that?


/////Nothing but a lot of wooden signs with words.



Maybe this will work better





Option 1:Words
Option 2:Actions

One speaks louder.

The purpose of waving around these sticks or "wooden swords" is so we can network and get to people that need to be involved in further action. Call me crazy but having a "revolutionary movement" open house with sign up tables where one signs up and receives, a laptop, rifle, kemtex, and radical socialist manifesto seems somewhat overly transparent and bound to fail.

Just because I think that sporadic instances of bombing dumpsters, and tagging police stations in Vancouver is ultimately wasteful doesn’t mean I don’t want to meet the people doing such things and trying to get them to become organizers. As a simple example; we can all carry out small acts of resistance that may be invigorating, direct, and satisfying but why bring down one outpost, when you can be patient and go for the whole establishment?

You think the 38million people that took to the streets where just a bunch of student hippies? Perhaps, but I promise you that even the most militant, and organized individuals where out there too, because any future successes depend on a community. Individuals can plot all they want, they can self educate, hack mainframes, set fire to a government office or two, but unless its part of an organized agenda, its just a isolates satellite case of anarchist behavior that will ultimately be crushed. The only single act by an individual in an individual context that has any impact is martyrdom or launching an errant nuclear missile. Many quickly forget the first example, and the second will find us all dead, and not having to worry about anything except is hell really as hot as we believed it.

I understand there is a large faction of so called "activists" not being anything about mass social change, and more an urge to feel involved and important. I understand that most "liberal progressive" types would rather be Noam Chomsky’s with buckets of political opinion and not a single organizational action. I understand that a lot of people seem to think that we can hold hands and sing fucking folk songs, and bring the world peace. But I also understand that at some point all these people will be needed. Even the ones that never talk about provoking change, silent, in their consumption and personal rat race. BUT one has to be ready to act, to accept, to organize, to lead, and to stand the fuck up.

On a personal note, when am I going to see YOU? Intelligence, and a willingness to do whatever it takes, also demands the less glamorous tasks, like sitting in on rallies in the rain, picketing, and meeting upon meeting, upon meeting. But this is more an example of the landscape of political awareness, and activity in this city than an indicator of what social movements are about. We cannot move so slow, that the populace rushes ahead without any idea of how change will be enacted, and we cannot go so fast that we lose everyone. This is probably the harshest reality. That in the face of great death, destruction, and profit as a result, we still have to be fucking patient.

LETS FUCKING RAGE!!!!! LETS FUCKING DESTROY!!! LETS JUST UP AND BRING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT!!!

HOW?? A simple question - how?? I ask this of members of the communist leagues around town, the Indigenous Anarchist groups, the droves of teenagers who have an itchy lighter finger and tub of gasoline. I ask all these heads, how, how do you want to accomplish what you want to do? With who? Who exactly is your enemy? What is your plan?

You know what I get? Nothing, Not a damn-fucking thing. And yet they seem to think that groups such as the one I work with, are authoritarian, are too organized. It’s sickly funny actually, on one side people believe us too aggressive and on the other, they believe we are not "left" enough! HA!

I did my time getting in fights with cops, arson, squats, graffiti, destruction of poverty, attempting to be a super hacker(wasn’t really possible considering the closest to a computer that i got to was a calculator) And perhaps in the context of a greater more mass mobilized movement, these juvenile acts could have some legitimacy, but right now, it would only further alienate ourselves, constrict ourselves, and confuse and detract from the true matter at hand. And this is simple, and frustratingly complex at the same time - education and unification. How much more death, poverty and misery has too go down before people understand the score, and the part they play.

So I fully support whatever actions are going down that share similar political agendas. I support all events, sit-ins, sing-alongs, whatever. Ill grin and fucking bare it. And when everyone goes to bed, there are individuals who never stop studying, debating, planning, organizing. The same people who will be around when the direct action that everyone seems to think is indicative of real change goes down. Hell we will be right in the middle of it.

If you know the score, then patience is all-important. But be ready to rock on the drop of a dime.

I still want to see you at an event, and soon.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

Who says I don't judge myself?

I always put any theories I have to question. When I state a fact, I give sources, if people can't get over themselves to sincerely put them to question, that's their business. I don't hold any hard feelings with you Chris, but a part of the reason I would distance myself from folks that take your stance on the geopolitical mess we're in is because I see a big ego in the way.

First things first. You have looked way to deeply into my comments. I simply want to point out, that you should judge yourself, and make sure you are up to the standards you want to judge everyone else by.

What's that? You aren't interested in telling me what you are doing for your planet? Then fuck off. People like you are social parasites and don't even know it. It's too bad, you are actually a pretty witty and intelligent guy, it's not that you can't concieve of the problem that is at hand, it's that you don't care at all to get over your ego.

All this can be summed up as such: I have a diffrent politcal, and ethical view then you.

That dosen't make me a social parasite, that just means I check a diffrent box during elections.

If you are ever going to make a diffrence in the world, you have to understand that not everyone intellegent has the same world outlook as you. And no amount of web links, or essays on a raver message board are going to change that.

I don't know what it is with you people that make this so hard, the changes for our society would be so worth it, maybe just accept to some extent the notion that the media and government at large are force feeding their populace propaganda to arrange a coming global order that is already merging police and military excersizes the world over.

You may not understand me, but I don't understand the notion you follow. You believe that I am wrong, and people like me are making the world bad. However, what are you doing that is making the world so damn good? How come you have the right to decided everyone else in the world who dosen't agree with you is wrong in every way.

You refuse to acknowlage diffrences in the way people think. Just like the governments that you critizie (sp?)

There is an urban terror operation coming in winnipeg in the next year or 2, who knows it may just hit the headlines, watch for it. Why do you think these things just keep increasing in size and frequency? Barking up the coincident theory tree much?

That comment kind of came out of left field...

It comes down to this. Here are my points, easy to follow, no bullshit.

You shouldn't judge everyone, unless you are at the standards you want to use

You have yet to convince me that your better then the people who are donating money to cancer research or participating in chairty walks.

So far, all you've shown me is that your really good at telling people what's wrong, but not actually change things. And quite frankly, we have enough of those people working at coffee shops...

PS- Don't talk about the loss of induviduality, if your not willing to accept, everyone isn't like you.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by fable

The purpose of waving around these sticks or "wooden swords" is so we can network and get to people that need to be involved in further action. Call me crazy but having a "revolutionary movement" open house with sign up tables where one signs up and receives, a laptop, rifle, kemtex, and radical socialist manifesto seems somewhat overly transparent and bound to fail.

Just because I think that sporadic instances of bombing dumpsters, and tagging police stations in Vancouver is ultimately wasteful doesn’t mean I don’t want to meet the people doing such things and trying to get them to become organizers. As a simple example; we can all carry out small acts of resistance that may be invigorating, direct, and satisfying but why bring down one outpost, when you can be patient and go for the whole establishment?

You think the 38million people that took to the streets where just a bunch of student hippies? Perhaps, but I promise you that even the most militant, and organized individuals where out there too, because any future successes depend on a community. Individuals can plot all they want, they can self educate, hack mainframes, set fire to a government office or two, but unless its part of an organized agenda, its just a isolates satellite case of anarchist behavior that will ultimately be crushed. The only single act by an individual in an individual context that has any impact is martyrdom or launching an errant nuclear missile. Many quickly forget the first example, and the second will find us all dead, and not having to worry about anything except is hell really as hot as we believed it.

I understand there is a large faction of so called "activists" not being anything about mass social change, and more an urge to feel involved and important. I understand that most "liberal progressive" types would rather be Noam Chomsky’s with buckets of political opinion and not a single organizational action. I understand that a lot of people seem to think that we can hold hands and sing fucking folk songs, and bring the world peace. But I also understand that at some point all these people will be needed. Even the ones that never talk about provoking change, silent, in their consumption and personal rat race. BUT one has to be ready to act, to accept, to organize, to lead, and to stand the fuck up.

On a personal note, when am I going to see YOU? Intelligence, and a willingness to do whatever it takes, also demands the less glamorous tasks, like sitting in on rallies in the rain, picketing, and meeting upon meeting, upon meeting. But this is more an example of the landscape of political awareness, and activity in this city than an indicator of what social movements are about. We cannot move so slow, that the populace rushes ahead without any idea of how change will be enacted, and we cannot go so fast that we lose everyone. This is probably the harshest reality. That in the face of great death, destruction, and profit as a result, we still have to be fucking patient.

LETS FUCKING RAGE!!!!! LETS FUCKING DESTROY!!! LETS JUST UP AND BRING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT!!!

HOW?? A simple question - how?? I ask this of members of the communist leagues around town, the Indigenous Anarchist groups, the droves of teenagers who have an itchy lighter finger and tub of gasoline. I ask all these heads, how, how do you want to accomplish what you want to do? With who? Who exactly is your enemy? What is your plan?

You know what I get? Nothing, Not a damn-fucking thing. And yet they seem to think that groups such as the one I work with, are authoritarian, are too organized. It’s sickly funny actually, on one side people believe us too aggressive and on the other, they believe we are not "left" enough! HA!

I did my time getting in fights with cops, arson, squats, graffiti, destruction of poverty, attempting to be a super hacker(wasn’t really possible considering the closest to a computer that i got to was a calculator) And perhaps in the context of a greater more mass mobilized movement, these juvenile acts could have some legitimacy, but right now, it would only further alienate ourselves, constrict ourselves, and confuse and detract from the true matter at hand. And this is simple, and frustratingly complex at the same time - education and unification. How much more death, poverty and misery has too go down before people understand the score, and the part they play.

So I fully support whatever actions are going down that share similar political agendas. I support all events, sit-ins, sing-alongs, whatever. Ill grin and fucking bare it. And when everyone goes to bed, there are individuals who never stop studying, debating, planning, organizing. The same people who will be around when the direct action that everyone seems to think is indicative of real change goes down. Hell we will be right in the middle of it.

If you know the score, then patience is all-important. But be ready to rock on the drop of a dime.

I still want to see you at an event, and soon.

http://www.primitivism.com/future-primitive.htm

Property damage is not violent you can't violate a building or a window.

I do plenty on my own, as everyone does, even if they don't know it.

[fable]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

http://www.primitivism.com/future-primitive.htm

Property damage is not violent you can't violate a building or a window.

I do plenty on my own, as everyone does, even if they don't know it.

I don't believe property damage has any impact unless its widespread, has a concrete(no pun intended) connection with a specific political agenda, and the action and connected communication of said agenda is able to be broadcasted to various revolutionary organizations.

I know you must do plenty on your own, sometimes it seems you have access to more theories, stories, accounts, and images than the downtown VPL! But it's why i keep asking you to come out sometime, outside the realm of dnb and partying. But, i aint gonna pressure you, you do what you gots to do, and ill do the same, and im sure our paths will cross one of these days.

In solidarity,

Shakeel

[mapleleaf4ever]

You may be right. But that's Human Nature... deal with it.

Now, I'm off to work my second job so I can make things better for myself.



P.S. I'm drinking a Pepsi too! OMG COMMERCIALISM!!#(*!#)(&!(*& FUCK ME I'M GOING RIGHT TO HELL!!#(!&#&(!*^

[fable]

Originally Posted by mapleleaf4ever

You may be right. But that's Human Nature... deal with it.

Now, I'm off to work my second job so I can make things better for myself.



P.S. I'm drinking a Pepsi too! OMG COMMERCIALISM!!#(*!#)(&!(*& FUCK ME I'M GOING RIGHT TO HELL!!#(!&#&(!*^

lame





























everyone knows dr pepper is where its at

[fable]

Originally Posted by mapleleaf4ever

You may be right. But that's Human Nature... deal with it.

Thats some deep stuff man. The young conservative camp is getting brighter by the day.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by fable

I don't believe property damage has any impact unless its widespread, has a concrete(no pun intended) connection with a specific political agenda, and the action and connected communication of said agenda is able to be broadcasted to various revolutionary organizations.

I know you must do plenty on your own, sometimes it seems you have access to more theories, stories, accounts, and images than the downtown VPL! But it's why i keep asking you to come out sometime, outside the realm of dnb and partying. But, i aint gonna pressure you, you do what you gots to do, and ill do the same, and im sure our paths will cross one of these days.

In solidarity,

Shakeel

Project Mayhem :p

Our paths already have crossed, online.

There's no way to beat/stop/destroy the Hierarchy.

It's been here for centuries and it shows no signs of slowing down.

The End will play out on its own natural course.

Man is self-destructive naturally.

Instead of playing left-wing right-wing like they want you to.

Just be patient, worry about your own life/health.

All the posters and flyers and protests and signs and meetings in the world only make more signs and flyers and it's a reification game.

Blow this up or that up, they just rebuild it twice as big as a memorial and symbol against what you are for.

The masses do not want a revolution, they want complacent consumerism.

I'd rather sit on my laptop than go and try to wake up sheeple.

6/6/6 is going to be another catalyst for more control.

Smaller cages and tighter leashes.

We live in a society where people are free to lock themselves in their cells at the end of the work/slave day.

They lock themselves in their cells, believing they're "Home".

You really have to admire the state of fear and control the Hierarchy has created and manipulated for centuries.

It's really impossible to imagine running an entire planet.

Keeping shit calm and under control through the same few equations over centuries.

Thesis vs Antithesis=Synthesis, your words signs and flyers are just fuel for the fire.

Without satan and evil and all that shit theres no God Jesus or any of that shit because theres no opposing force nothing to fight.

Just like Bush needs Terra to continue with the New Order, Christians need Satanic heavy metal kids to kill cats and blow their heads off every so often so they can play saviour.

No one really wants what they're fighting to go away or stop.

Then wtf would they do ?

People are so blinded by the light. What they don't understand is the brighter the light the deeper the shadow.

[mojo]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

Thesis vs Antithesis=Synthesis, your words signs and flyers are just fuel for the fire.

thesis + antithesis=synthesis
Hagel

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by mojo

thesis + antithesis=synthesis
Hagel

I put a vs so I don't have to quote Hagel every damn time.

But ya, ying-yang, dark light, neg pos ad infinitum.

Universe is one big tie, no one wins.

That's why all these do-gooders just end up doing bad.

For the price of a cup of coffe you can give these kids false hope in a jewish carpenter who's 2,000 years late.

[Revolver]

WORK STORE HOME
WORK STORE HOME
WORK STORE HOME
WORK STORE HOME
WORK STORE HOME
WORK STORE HOME
WORK STORE HOME
WORK STORE HOME
WORK STORE HOME
WORK STORE HOME
WORK STORE HOME
WORK STORE HOME
WORK STORE HOME
WORK STORE HOME
WORK STORE HOME............

if you think about your daily routine this is pretty much it. a person wakes up and gose to work. then they go to a store to buy something. then they go home.a perfect consumer life cycle

its a cycle that never ends. but then again, in the case of esoteric and markpaul you guys know exactly what it means more than most.

**blake** you should sit in on the next DOC session we have mang!!!111! just set aside the infamous jew-poll neurosis and youll be fine :)

**mark, that fucking book i borrowed is some good stuff....particularly the chapter on "the protocools of the elders of Zion"

....it all gose much deeper then organizing and rallying in the streets wich is fucking fuitile. Sheeple do not want to change and the establishment loves Demonstrations. The perfect chance for them to display organizers and pro testers as quacks on their news networks to the working masses.

Id get deeper but im at work right now......lol.

[fable]

Our paths already have crossed, online.
>>fuck online - it means nothing on its own>>

There's no way to beat/stop/destroy the Hierarchy.
>>unless an alternate structure is created, and maintained>>

It's been here for centuries and it shows no signs of slowing down.
>>i disagree, military invasion is being implemented faster and more often that ever before, all the while militant resistance is growing in parallel>>

The End will play out on its own natural course.
>>we cant speak of natural, when the core of the problem is synthetic>>

Man is self-destructive naturally.
>>as a result of conditioning perpetuated by the few>>

Instead of playing left-wing right-wing like they want you to.
>>i agree, this terminology has become irrelevent and ambiguous>>

Just be patient, worry about your own life/health.
>>my life/health is dependent on the quality of yours>>

All the posters and flyers and protests and signs and meetings in the world only make more signs and flyers and it's a reification game.
>>dont focus on the material, rather the process>>

Blow this up or that up, they just rebuild it twice as big as a memorial and symbol against what you are for.
>>no doubt!>>

The masses do not want a revolution, they want complacent consumerism.
>>only because most do not know the score>>

I'd rather sit on my laptop than go and try to wake up sheeple.
>>you do it on your laptop, how much more effort does it take to do it in person?>>

6/6/6 is going to be another catalyst for more control.
>>hellfire or brimstone?>>

Smaller cages and tighter leashes.
>>i was thinking more in the line of Hola-decks and tazers>>

We live in a society where people are free to lock themselves in their cells at the end of the work/slave day.
>>heheh, but they also had the freedom to buy those cells>>

They lock themselves in their cells, believing they're "Home".
>>the home is irrelevent, is whether its bigger, more expensive and requires more servants than ones neighbor that really matters>>

You really have to admire the state of fear and control the Hierarchy has created and manipulated for centuries.
>>sadly, i do>>

It's really impossible to imagine running an entire planet.
>>apes find it easier and easier with each passing day>>

Keeping shit calm and under control through the same few equations over centuries.
>>i hate math>>

Thesis vs Antithesis=Synthesis, your words signs and flyers are just fuel for the fire.
>>or supplies for a large paper mache trojan horse>>

Without satan and evil and all that shit theres no God Jesus or any of that shit because theres no opposing force nothing to fight.
>>i heard that jesus and satan carpool?>>

Just like Bush needs Terra to continue with the New Order, Christians need Satanic heavy metal kids to kill cats and blow their heads off every so often so they can play saviour.
>>it would seem some Christians prefer the Gay/Lesbian/Trangender community these days as an antogonist>>

No one really wants what they're fighting to go away or stop.
>>no, its just that most people are oblivious to the fight in the first place>>

Then wtf would they do ?
>>die of boredom?>>

People are so blinded by the light. What they don't understand is the brighter the light the deeper the shadow.
>>I like this line>>

Alone you may strong and intelligent, but ultimately your eventual death will echo the wastefullness and tragedy of your isolation. If not even for you, your joinging into a greater movement, may benefit others.

Is your unwillingness to work in the context of a group more connected with you not thinking there is an effective movement to join, or is it because isolation is convenient?

Nontheless, i appreciate everybit of intel you've ever shared with me.

In solidarity,

Shak

[mapleleaf4ever]

If you spent as much time arguing and debating the pros and cons of globalization and consumerism online as you did as "trying to solve the problem" then don't you think it would be a whole lot more productive? :)

[fable]

Originally Posted by Revolver

....it all gose much deeper then organizing and rallying in the streets wich is fucking fuitile. Sheeple do not want to change and the establishment loves Demonstrations. The perfect chance for them to display organizers and pro testers as quacks on their news networks to the working masses.

Id get deeper but im at work right now......lol.

You are looking at the surface manifestation and partially ignoring the importance of the process. Just like I am confronted with the notion of "man, why always the demonstrations and rallies...bla...bla..." I ask YOU - why do you think?

What do you think is the relevancy? Or more specifically why do YOU THINK that the organizations who carry out such rallies and demos think they're important?

What is the objective conditions of mobilization across the world and here in Canada?

We can talk shop all day, all night, over coffee, over beer, while painting, hiking Arthur’s Seat in Edinburgh, or surfing San Sebastian. We can talk about the consumerist habits of society while climbing in Peru, or in a debate with a girlfriend over dinner at a restaurant. But none of it means shit unless it’s in the context of a group. Like I mentioned earlier, the demonstrations, the sit-ins, the pickets, bla bla, are for the purpose of education and unification. If you think that the awareness of Canadian society in general is at a level, that mobilization should be at a far faster pace, then you're too far ahead of the pack - actually I know you're too far in front of the pack, which is because i believe your awareness of the SITUATION is high, but not in terms of UNDERSTANDING HOW TO CONFRONT THE SITUATION. You cannot do it alone, not with twenty people, not with 38 million people, not a trillion people, UNLESS it is directed, purposeful and objective.

The demo's and rallies are a necessary boredom. I usually MC at a lot of events, and get to make the rousing speeches, but really I’m more comfortable with being the person who hands out the flyers and gets spit on. I'm the person more comfortable with dealing with Zionists from Hillel House, I'm more comfortable dealing with VPD (actually that’s a lie, but only because I've had far too man concussions and been in really dicey situations with no civilians, several officers, a holding cell, in the wee hours of twilight) Im more comfortable in the shitty, stressful, dealings with people who would sooner see me dead, or at least bashed with a nightstick.

WHY?? Because its these hateful, ignorant, callous, glib, shitheads, that will turn the tide. Its the stuck up, money grubbing, rat racing, ego blasting, fuckers that we need. So we rally, we demo, we chant, we confront, we get yelled, get spit on, get arrested, get ignored, and we do it because we have to. Because in the midst of it all, we find new organizers, and with each one that is made apparent, the closer we get to create something that is THEN able to do what most "bedroom revolutionaries" talk about over starbucks lattes.

We still need to go for a brew sometime. I know you've done hella traveling, and I’d love to hear about your experiences sometime.

In solidarity,

Shakeel

PS:Its too easy to label people unwilling to change. It’s a copout to use the word sheeple. There are, in my humble belief, only a small amount of truly inhuman people in the world, and what seems like an infinite number of people who appear to be all the descriptors I mentioned earlier, but really deep down, people are decent, and they want roofs over their heads, food on the table, dancing on their days off, and time with their family in relative peace.

A challenge, is believing this.

[esoter1c]

Is your unwillingness to work in the context of a group more connected with you not thinking there is an effective movement to join, or is it because isolation is convenient?

The level of subliminal minducking that has taken centuries to genetically manipulate the masses into sheeple is undoable.

I can go outside and punch 60% of the population in the face and they will do nothing but cry and run and frantically call 911.

They're not even humans worth trying to save or inform in anyway.

This whole shitball is getting flushed.

On a cosmic level I see the galaxy as a giant toiletbowl.

The centre of the galaxy is a black hole, everything is spinning around the bowl.

Eventually the shit gets flushed.

Materially I don't give a fuck about shit, cars, house all that shit.

As soon as I'm able I'm fuckin outta here like John boy.

Spiritually all these people are blind, dead meat pulsating.

Those who know are on the path and are there for a reason.

You can't wake the dead and get them on the path, they're fucked.

Go drag a junkie in your house and make him a banker.

Go drag a prostitute in your house and make her a good Mom.

Never gonna happen.

Theres nature for that.

Man fucking with nature is mans downfall.

False hope that "Waking people up will stop the Military-Industrial-Complex"

from chewing people up like cheap caviar is a dead scene.

The only thing I'm gonna do with a protest sign is smash some skinner judge in the face with it and become another example for the boo-hoo look how scary it is outside media to frighten more sheeple with.

It's a fucking stalemate with no solution no defeat no cure.

No matter the amount of jibba-jabba blahblah no one is gonna stop the fucking occupations/wars/famines/diseases/droughts/terra/tornadoes/floods/fires
because its fucking nature and mother nature is a fucking cunt.

IMHO.

[fable]

Originally Posted by mapleleaf4ever

If you spent as much time arguing and debating the pros and cons of globalization and consumerism online as you did as "trying to solve the problem" then don't you think it would be a whole lot more productive? :)

If I had a quarter for every time someone made a irrelevant, baseless comment like that I probably could just buy out the "establishment" Do not make assumptions of what people do outside of providing text on this screen for you to read.

What does "solving the problem,” mean to YOU exactly? If you believed there was a problem, how would YOU go about doing your part?

The simple truth is, my military supporting, stand up Canadian friend, is that individual solutions are eventually forgotten, negated or crushed. For any substantial endeavor to succeed there needs to be a sustainable movement that is purposeful and organized. But where does one find such a movement ready made? Can I just hop into home depot and pick up a guerilla force or two? Perhaps I’ll head down to Canadian tire and purchase a fully outfitted civil rights movement? I wonder if the millions of immigrants or relative/friends of immigrants currently fighting for their rights in the US right now where shipped over from Latin America via fed ex?

Just like the forces of imperialism/capitalism/neo colonialism/neo-liberalism and every other fucking "ism" that are related with oppression need time and resources to outfit themselves and mobilize, so does the resistance to these forces. But on top of this parallel mobilizing there is also the necessary education, and ideological debates amidst creating alternate societal structures for the purpose of organization and the facilitation of humanitarian directives, going on. (hehe, sorry bout this mouthfull)

I cant speak for everyone else on this board, but I can speak for myself and those who I work with 24/7, and I promise you brother, that for every post I make on this board, every reply I type, I’ve logged in many a hour doing hundreds of various tasks. Some as glamorous as taping miles of extension cords to the cement, some as necessary as meeting with the Cuban Ambassador of Canada and having dinner.

Specific endeavors may not share an equal priority, but that doesn’t mean that they all are not necessary.

[mapleleaf4ever]

That's good and re-assuring. It makes me happy that there is a more politically active youth movement in Canada. Not enough people pay attention to the world and what's going on around them. I do keep a general eye on things and have a discussion group of friends from a couple different universities on various foreign and international defense and security/transportation issues. But I'm a small c Conservative... sue me. As a famous man once said... I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to my death your right to say it.

[fable]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

The level of subliminal minducking that has taken centuries to genetically manipulate the masses into sheeple is undoable.

I can go outside and punch 60% of the population in the face and they will do nothing but cry and run and frantically call 911........................(snipped)

DUDE!!! WHAT THE FUCK!! That was heavy shit. And i know you're probably not into being "asessed" but you just spout out enough serious cynasism and demoralized sentiment for TWO x 90yr old Lithuanian farmers whos farmland only recently got jacked for a Philip Morris Factory!

Call me this weekend, i got time off school, and lets hang, seriouslly. Im fucking po-ass, but ill buy the coffee or beer if need be.

In Solidarity,

Shak

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

As soon as I'm able I'm fuckin outta here like John boy.

Amen brother. really interesting things are happening in Peru and south america right now. the elections are comming up and the front is Ollanta Humala who is ex-military and staunchly opposed to US imperilaism much like Venezuela.Boliva is right behind and soon the entire region will be in revolt against american installed, corrupt governments.