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Jul 04, 06
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North Korea and the possibility of War
So on the News today, the top story was of at 1 o'clock pst the NORAD radars in Colorodo detected North Korea test firing 4 long range missiles towards Japan capable of reaching the shores of the North American Pacific. North Korea has also reportedly the missiles, not too sure of the name of them, that have the range capability of 9000 km, basically far enough to hit New York or Washington. Personally I have heard rumors developing about a month ago, that the Americans are stationing more and more troops and equiptment in the area, going to the UN, as well as tomorrow our Prime Minister heading to Washington for a immediate meeting with the White House tomorrow.
What are your guys' thoughts on the issue?? **edit** the missile is called a Taebergong 2, and there were five shots Last edited by tBl0w; Jul 04, 06 at 06:42 PM. 
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Its the end of the world as we know it.....
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The American military is spread thin at the moment they've had to call up alot of reserves. I don't see how they could take affective military action in this situation without eventully having a draft. But i'm sure the Bush administration wouldn't do that they don't seem to be very popular with the American public as it is already.
It will be interesting to see what happen's in this situation. Also technically there is a state of war with North Korea, in 1953 when hostilities ended no peare treaty was signed just a cease fire.
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I have three words for North Korea:
Glass Parking Lot. The cities are incredibly deserted, the majority of the population lives in conditions that make East Hastings look like Utopia. Their military is poorly equipped and underfunded. North Korea isn't chock full of oil like Iraq is so there's very little reason for the civilized world to tolerate their antics. Today's missle test had the following results: 1. Five short-range missiles fell in the sea of Japan 2. The supposed "Long-Range" missile failed after 40 seconds. Kim Jong Il is just one guy, and he's playing the Nuclear card like 3 year old with chronic ADD... it's only a matter of time before some other nuclear power lobs a tactical nuke into one of his motorcades and wipes the bastard out
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I doubt they're much of a threat as the US makes them out to be.
Unless North Korea has been getting a lot of covet help from other Nations since the end of the Cold War their technology can't be near par with a "threat to national security of the CONUS" for awhile. The Russians used mechanical computers for Missile Targetting and Guidance up until the late '80s. To catch up to us with all the limits they have with the outside world and the Americans breathing down their neck. lol If they have... and the US finds out who gave it to them. I wouldn't want to be that Nation.
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500,000 between both Armies you mean? You're probably almost in the range for Civilian Casualties. A good book to read is "How to make War". I've read both editions, the late 80's edition and the updated one. Interesting stuff when it comes to the sizing up opponents and possible scenarios. It's in Chapters I believe as well.
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The missle is called Taepodong 2.
America does not have the resources to wage a war on Iran and N. Korea. This is why you see them moving away from the unilateralism of the early administration and observing international institutions. With a deficit that is almost 50% invested in foreign countries and a whole generation of baby boomers ready to cash in on benefits, the US can not afford to do this. War? Not yet. Sanctions? Yes. Mind you, this is not the first time N. Korea has test-fired missles. This also happened in 1996 as well. It's a means of leverage to get other countries to make concessions, N. Korea is notorious for that. This launch being so close to 4th of July signifys direct pressure on America. The US officials responded by saying that the missles failed, but who really knows. They could just be using that to fuel their rhetoric in suggesting N. Korea's missles are not a threat. Obviously this is not true, that is why the US is so cozy with Japan. They need Japan as a leverage in the region. The spoils of being buddy buddy with Bush was shown with that media zoo event with Koizumi in graceland. Japan and the US are definately going to be working closely in the future, militarily, and N. Korea is recognizing this by asserting it's power in the region. Japan has already responded with blocking N. Korean trade from it's ports. Both Iran and N. Korea both have legitimate arguments though. They do have the right within their sovereignty to have these weapons. They are just seen as a major instability factor. There's only so much room in this world for countries with nuclear arm deterrants. Although Israel is a nuclear power, it is not internationally recognized as one. If Israel was recognized as a nuclear power then this gives even more legitimacy to nations such as Iran to work towards creating nuclear arms. Other hypocricy is seen with the US signing a nuclear technology deal with India. India and Pakistan are the other nuclear powers that have not ratified the NPT. The US has signed a deal with India to sell nuclear reactors to them to quench their raising need for energy. This would have been a good chance for the US to ask India to sign some sort of agreement in exchange for this technology, but that didn't happen. This of course was more of a business deal to revive the US's nuclear reactor industry of which has not sold a reactor in quite some time. It's all a big stage show with business controlled caricatures. Where would the economies be without exporting masses amounts of weapons like China to darfur? /rant.
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Yeah, thats exactly what would happen to North Korea if they instigated a war. The Americans on the other hand, it seems like you all underestimate their ability to stomp the fuck out of pretty much any country they want to. Things may look bad in Iraq but they still have two million of the best trained and equiped soldiers in the world and only 130,000 are in Iraq. They have half as many in S Korea and Japan just chilling, they could ship over another couple hundred thousand in a matter of weeks. They also have the support of S Korea and Japan who invite the Americans to station trops in their territory because they are terrified of the North Koreans. If America wanted too they could flatten North Korea and not even the Chinese would ally with the North Koreans because they dont want to deal with the mess of 40 million indigent North Koreans ruining their economy. I think this is mostly just alarmist bullshit, nothing has really changed. While a war in northern asia would be devasting to the entire world, the United States and its allies could end it pretty quickly, only the aftermath would be problematic. The Americans are good at winning wars, their just horrible at occupying countries. Last edited by SEAN!; Jul 05, 06 at 06:34 PM.
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Its all hooplah. Its been done a hundred times, this is nothign new from North Korea. Calm down, Kim Jong Il is vying for attention. Hes like a spoiled child whom is irate now becaues the world is crying over other places, such as Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan and not giving him the attention he wants. This threat he poses is non-existant, as he is not a stupid man by any means. Perhaps an idiotic dictator yes, but he knows full well that his lovely little reign will come to a bloody end and he doesnt want that, for he likes his little decrepit kingdom. Fire some missles he will, and the world comes crying, and he goes, give me more aid and ill stop. Then the UN comes along, gives him rice, he laughs and stays quiet for a while.
Perhaps very layman in terms, but that is what he does. South Korea will not accept a war started foreignly nonetheless. North Korea is like the black sheep of the Korean family, misguided yes but they are still family. And the last thing you want is to kill your brothers and sisters. You forget that Korea is still KOREA, whether north or south, and as such they are family. If you ever have a chance, rent a movie called Tae Guk Ki. You can get it at Rogers. Its about the Korean war, it won some international acclaim and it makes Saving private ryan look petty at times in its scale and realism. Very good movie about the Korean war in general. In terms of war itself, a war in Korea would be horrendous. Korea is mountainous, hilly, jungle type terrain that would mean a war of attrition. It would be jungle warfare and thousands upon thousands of hundreds of thousands of men dying in droves. Sure, their technology is antiquated, but when all your fighting is ambushes within 100 yards, alot of your fancy toys arent that superior anymore. Couple that with a fantacism well past mindless devotion to your country, and you have millions of fight to the death soldiers willing to die to kill you. It would not be anywhere near a millitarily complete cakewalk with half devoted soldiers such as Iraq. It would be Vietnam with bigger and more destructive weapons, and as such, the death would be enormous. So just ignore Old crazy Kim and let him cry for his attention. Its meaningless and nobody with a right mind would want to start a war here.
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Jul 06, 06
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I love BC and Canada....but I aint going to war for anybody...Unless its for me and my family...thats about it...
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