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Old Jun 30, 04
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FAHRENHEIT 9/11 Review (no spolier)

I sat back and watched this last night with funfuners (after everyone ditched I may add). Wow, this was a powerful documentary.

Michael Moore starts with the Florida scandal, and then works his way back through some of the 'Bush' history (both father and son). Texan oil, family ties, along with corporate dealings is discussed. 9/11 is introduced without any live footage of the towers coming down, suitable. Then the rest of the movie brings some of what the real war in Iraq is about... and in your face. Some of the footage is very real and hard to watch. Tears, blood, and allot of pain.

The movie doesn't really touch on anything new. Simply a collection of information over the past 20 years, filmed into a Michael Moore style extremist way of thinking.

Very much enjoyed. Hell it's worth seeing just for the funny ass Bush footage. I give it five stars; must see. As it really does bring allot of good information about our current world together to one screen.
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yeah funny ass bush footage man.

when he is talking about the holes.. *first hand whoosh*.. then moore cuts into talking, you can see bush still talking about the damn amadillo.. *second hand whoosh*
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im just waiting to see all the conspiracy theories based off this documentary
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I just saw this yesterday and it is a really good movie.

I was shocked to see that when the first tower was hit, Bush just sat there reading that book in the classroom. Like wtf?

Weird, definately 5 stars
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is this the one where hermoine dies?
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I just saw this yesterday and it is a really good movie.

I was shocked to see that when the first tower was hit, Bush just sat there reading that book in the classroom. Like wtf?

Weird, definately 5 stars
lol, I saw that footage already. whats the guy to do? jump up and run out of the room, scare all the kids.. blah blah

he did the right thing, I mean c'mon.. he knew it was going to happen if you ask me.
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I still think he should of got up and attended to the situation, he should of told the class that he was being pulled in on an emergency or sumthin.
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he endangered the lives off everyone in and around that building.........

the country is under attact, you'd think that the president would be a target
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the movie was basically moore's two books put on to film.
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definately wanting to see this one.
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lol, I saw that footage already. whats the guy to do? jump up and run out of the room, scare all the kids.. blah blah

he did the right thing, I mean c'mon.. he knew it was going to happen if you ask me.
he was advised of the first hit while enroute to the school.

the 2nd hit was while he was in the classroom.
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oh yea, it was a decent documentary, basically what i was expecting. hopefully this will get some americans who are on the fence to vote the commander-in-chimp outta office
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This movie/documentry sucked proverbial ass, i'm disapointed.
WAY too much speculation, not enough hard facts.
It could've been much better.
The ending wrapped things up alright though.
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finally saw this documentary tonight...

it was obviously super biased, and im always skeptical of michael moore and his extremist views, but nonetheless... still interesting to watch, and definitely thought provoking.
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finally saw this documentary tonight...

his extremist views
Please, elaborate for the class what you take his 'extremist views' to be?
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^ for an american, he's awfully anti-american and very anti-capitalist who so conveniently appeals to the ignorant masses who dont know any better. not to say that the documentary was worthless... cuz it wasnt... it was thought provoking.

cant exactly quote his views since i dont follow any of that stuff. perhaps u can explain to me how his views are not extremist....
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^ for an american, he's awfully anti-american and very anti-capitalist who so conveniently appeals to the ignorant masses who dont know any better. not to say that the documentary was worthless... cuz it wasnt... it was thought provoking.

cant exactly quote his views since i dont follow any of that stuff. perhaps u can explain to me how his views are not extremist....
how are they not extremist?? ..

for one he cares about the wellbeing of people, true democracy and he wants to let people know how and what the goverment is actually doing behind that curtain of bullshit

if he would be "extremist" he would be walking around with an AK and a cap wit a red star handing out communist flyers.. but hes not doing that now is he?

ur saying being anti capitalist is a bad thing? .. well that would make sense if ur greedy and dont care about anyone but yourself and ur friend named "money" and if you had money and power to loose and if you had no interest for the well being of people .. sorda like george bush
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^ touche... i understand what ur tryin to say

ive only seen two documentaries by moore: farenheit, and one about nike.

his intentions are good (like u said, he cares about the well-being of people). but at the same time i think he misrepresents a lot of stuff like many conspiracy theorists would. its convenient to show the george bush administration at their worst moments ("yes we are devoted to fighting the war on terrorism.... now watch me hit this drive!") cuz he's the director... he can choose what he wants to show and not. is it wrong for me to be skeptical when all moore shows are only biased points?

so... u agree with me that moore is anti-capitalist? ok just makin sure...

but guess who else is also anti-capitalist? socialist countries like north korea and china. most enterprises, if not all, are owned by the state. suuuure... communism is really fair (in theory) because everyone should be getting paid equally. unfortunately for these socialists, their economies are in shambles (although china is making a comeback because its slowly moving to capitalism), because history has shown us that most successful economies have a free market system (a la capitalism). wow... unless ur a political elite in these countries, there's no social mobility. not like the US... where u can go from rags to riches a lot easier. u must have voted NDP... the party that says "yeah we're gonna get all these awesome programs to help the people of canada but we're also gonna lower taxes too because we're gonna figure out a way to make these programs magically free!!" yet strangely... ndp is quite far to the left, just like michael moore...

but hey... i'll give the guy credit... he does a service my informing the public. his documentaries are POPULAR sources of information... but that doesnt make them legitimate
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^ touche... i understand what ur tryin to say

ive only seen two documentaries by moore: farenheit, and one about nike.

his intentions are good (like u said, he cares about the well-being of people). but at the same time i think he misrepresents a lot of stuff like many conspiracy theorists would. its convenient to show the george bush administration at their worst moments ("yes we are devoted to fighting the war on terrorism.... now watch me hit this drive!") cuz he's the director... he can choose what he wants to show and not. is it wrong for me to be skeptical when all moore shows are only biased points?

so... u agree with me that moore is anti-capitalist? ok just makin sure...

but guess who else is also anti-capitalist? socialist countries like north korea and china. most enterprises, if not all, are owned by the state. suuuure... communism is really fair (in theory) because everyone should be getting paid equally. unfortunately for these socialists, their economies are in shambles (although china is making a comeback because its slowly moving to capitalism), because history has shown us that most successful economies have a free market system (a la capitalism). wow... unless ur a political elite in these countries, there's no social mobility. not like the US... where u can go from rags to riches a lot easier. u must have voted NDP... the party that says "yeah we're gonna get all these awesome programs to help the people of canada but we're also gonna lower taxes too because we're gonna figure out a way to make these programs magically free!!" yet strangely... ndp is quite far to the left, just like michael moore...

but hey... i'll give the guy credit... he does a service my informing the public. his documentaries are POPULAR sources of information... but that doesnt make them legitimate
ur gettin a few things wrong here.. ur making it sould like capitalism is a good thing .. capitalism is a good thing for business giants like the ones who support bush .. and its a bad thing for the small guy.. the average man

what good has the bush administration done? .. i seriously didnt hear of one sincere thing other than declaring war on defenless people, making the biggest national debt in history, destroying one out of hundred's of saddam's statues, loosing the war in iraq, being hypocrytes about weapons of mass destruction..

the reason that "communist and socialist" countries are so poor is because of Capitalist influence on their economy .. for example america cut off all economic ties with cuba and told their allies to do so as well because america has power over its allies .. america will always find trading partners but its allies wont ... america doesnt have to declare war on a country to make them shit their pants.. they can fuck em economically and thats what america did to canada for the softwood lumber.. thats why cuba and other countries are fucked and deemed as 'third world countries' .. the reason they dont succeed is because greater powers do not let them .. what u think that china, north korea and vietnam are as advanced and developed as the states and canada.. to this day people still live over there in huts and villages picking at rice and bananas without electricity or plumbing.. they are the real working class and thats why communism appeals to them

now tell me why do americans have such a fear of communism?? .. because it is a bad thing? .. well when u look at the roots of communism its the fairest system humanly possible next to anarchy

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Those who actively support the interests of the working-class as a whole, without any kind of prejudice. Communists live to unite workers, instead of divide them along imaginery lines, whether based on gender, nationality, race, or ideology.
"The Communists are distinguished from the other working-class parties by this only:

(1) In the national struggles of the proletarians of the different countries, they point out and bring to the front the common interests of the entire proletariat, independently of all nationality.

(2) In the various stages of development which the struggle of the working class against the bourgeoisie has to pass through, they always and everywhere represent the interests of the movement as a whole.

"The Communists, therefore, are on the one hand practically, the most advanced and resolute section of the working-class parties of every country, that section which pushes forward all others; on the other hand, theoretically, they have over the great mass of the proletariat the advantage of clearly understanding the lines of march, the conditions, and the ultimate general results of the proletarian movement.

"The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties: Formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat.
no discrimination, no seperation of classes, equality of race.. everything is controlled by the goverment .. and with the goverment in favor of the people as a whole there should be nothing wrong .. that is IF people would always think dialetically and rationally but thats not the case now is it? people are greedy and stubborn and this n that and thats why communism would never work

..the reason capitalists [americans] hate it is because it would mean that they would have to share their wealth with people they dont know, people who they feel are lesser human beings than them because they dont own a multi billion dollar corporation and have nike shoe factories over in the fillipines .. they do not want to share ..because the only thing that they are interested in is control, power, and their own self interests which all lead down to money .. and if the world was socialist or communist they wouldnt have all that power all that money and all that much influence over smaller underdeveloped nations and such

economics of communism and communism within a nation have nothing in common .. the first one is how much money goes in and out of the country and the other one is how the money is distributed within the country .. you cant possibly say that countries have bad economies because they are socialist or communist

canadian parties are more along the same line .. they are all in the middle .. NDP a few millimitres to the left .. liberals in the centre and Conservatives a few millimitres to the right

you can go in depth in this as far as u want .. i was jumpin from this subject to that idea so if somethin doesnt make sense to you i dont care .. read it till it does i dont feel like going over it again

NOTHING is legitamate .. everything ever recorded in history is an INTERPRETATION of an event by a person or a group of people
you think you know .. but in fact you have no idea .. that is the truth about everything in the world

the closest you can get to the truth is if you were an insider or rationally talked to the people who were .. and thats what michael moore did

for example .. you think that i am russian because i write all this shit about communism so in ur textbook u write: "so and so is russian because he supports communism .. and thats a stereotype but then again its your interpretation of ME" which is incorrect

however legitamate or ilegitamate it was.. why would the goverment tell miramax the big distribution company to scrap the movie?? .. hmm??? if it was so harmless and illegitamate then why did they do that

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