AverageCitizen/Silverwaters request of payment.

[Crazy Dave]

Originally Posted by AverageCitizen

LOL so cuz i deffend the rep of Silverwaters now iv done somthing wrong???wow you guys blow my mind if some guy was bashing your company im sure you would defend your self too!

And dave it wasent you who i booked for Rollin it was Ryan after seeing you smoke crack at Summer Breakz i decided not to ever book you again.

This will be the last time i respond to this the kids can belive whatever they want. Silverwaters puts on solid shows and thats IT!!!

If you booked Ryan, then why did you sit and talk with me and only me before the show about the booking? Why did you sign contract with me and only me before the show. Why did Ryan not even stay at the show. Why do I always do the main setting up at the shows for the PA. Why am I the one that paid Ryan as an employee.

Smoking crack, wow! I said it before that type of argument is a fallacy. It is a simple misconception that if you discredit the person, that you discredit his/her argument. Even if I was smorking crack, beating up old ladies, having sex with 13year old hookers, beating my wife, and cheating on my tax, what's that to do with owing or not owing money? And dude, I don't think my lungs could even handle the shit. There's fact you are not even thinking about nor do you know why it's most likely I don't smoke crack, heck I can hardly smoke pot.

[Peanut_1818]

Maybe everyone should consider the fact that it's easier to say you are owed this money, and people believe you rather than say you don't owe it and everyone thinks you're lying. It is very easy to come up with items and prices. How can you really defend yourself. Silverwaters will defend themselves, why wouldn't they any production company would (accusations true or false). Josh's comments on Dave's drug habits may be given for the fact that Dave is very unreliable and untrustworthy. Though he did the sound and lighting for Summer Breakz I it was very unproffesional. I know that Dave has not been calling Josh for two years, so I don't know where that is coming from. Dave would not be able to bring this to court b/c he doesn't have a written agreement or any proof. I'm sure if Dave wanted to talk this over with Josh to see where him and Josh stand it would be much more "professional" to private message him. I don't see this getting Dave anywhere if all he really wants is money. Though everyone has a right to an opion I don't think anyone can truely agree with either party without having being at the meeting for the event. There are no hard facts to follow, it's all hear-say.


I was personally at the meetings and all discussions at and after the party. I know for a FACT that Silverwaters does NOT owe Dave any money. All dues were paid.

[Crazy Dave]

^I was calling it enough to catch it when he changed his number.

"Josh stand it would be much more "professional" to private message him."
But that fact of the matter is I've been doing so. So I have up held being professional. That the point of this, he has not done any thing when I've talked to him behind the scenes, that's unprofessional. Calling me a crack head, and using it as an excuse not to pay, that's unprofessional.

So who are you to know I've called or not called; you seem to just be some friend of his. It looks like you are running off of second hand information at best. Did not Josh bitch about such things in this thread already?

"There are no hard facts to follow, it's all hear-say." Then why did you post, your words are just as much hear-say if not more, because you are not even a first person in this.

[Peanut_1818]

[quote=Crazy Dave"There are no hard facts to follow, it's all hear-say." Then why did you post, your words are just as much hear-say if not more, because you are not even a first person in this.[/QUOTE]
Fortunately that is not the case.

[Hot Karl]

Originally Posted by Peanut_1818

Maybe everyone should consider the fact that it's easier to say you are owed this money, and people believe you rather than say you don't owe it and everyone thinks you're lying. It is very easy to come up with items and prices. How can you really defend yourself. Silverwaters will defend themselves, why wouldn't they any production company would (accusations true or false). Josh's comments on Dave's drug habits may be given for the fact that Dave is very unreliable and untrustworthy. Though he did the sound and lighting for Summer Breakz I it was very unproffesional. I know that Dave has not been calling Josh for two years, so I don't know where that is coming from. Dave would not be able to bring this to court b/c he doesn't have a written agreement or any proof. I'm sure if Dave wanted to talk this over with Josh to see where him and Josh stand it would be much more "professional" to private message him. I don't see this getting Dave anywhere if all he really wants is money. Though everyone has a right to an opion I don't think anyone can truely agree with either party without having being at the meeting for the event. There are no hard facts to follow, it's all hear-say.


I was personally at the meetings and all discussions at and after the party. I know for a FACT that Silverwaters does NOT owe Dave any money. All dues were paid.

you are a fucking idiot.

that is all.

[Crazy Dave]

Originally Posted by Peanut_1818

I was personally at the meetings and all discussions at and after the party. I know for a FACT that Silverwaters does NOT owe Dave any money. All dues were paid.

Then why Skip EZ saying I'm owed less then $500. How can I be owed less if it's all paid?

[Crazy Dave]

Just to save this before you edit it again.

Originally Posted by Peanut_1818

Maybe everyone should consider the fact that it's easier to say you are owed this money, and people believe you rather than say you don't owe it and everyone thinks you're lying. It is very easy to come up with items and prices. How can you really defend yourself. Silverwaters will defend themselves, why wouldn't they any production company would (accusations true or false). Josh's comments on Dave's drug habits may be given for the fact that Dave is very unreliable and untrustworthy. Though he did the sound and lighting for Summer Breakz I it was very unproffesional. I know that Dave has not been calling Josh for two years, so I don't know where that is coming from. Dave would not be able to bring this to court b/c he doesn't have a written agreement or any proof. I'm sure if Dave wanted to talk this over with Josh to see where him and Josh stand it would be much more "professional" to private message him. I don't see this getting Dave anywhere if all he really wants is money. Though everyone has a right to an opion I don't think anyone can truely agree with either party without having being at the meeting for the event. There are no hard facts to follow, it's all hear-say.


I was personally at the meetings and all discussions at and after the party. I know for a FACT that Silverwaters does NOT owe Dave any money. All dues were paid.

[Peanut_1818]

Continue to post what you like, Silverwaters owes Dave nothing, there is no more to it. Make up what you want, call names, there is no point to any of it. Silverwaters will continue to bring professional shows to those who apprectiate them.

[Crazy Dave]

[quote=Peanut_1818]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dave"There are no hard facts to follow, it's all hear-say." Then why did you post, your words are just as much hear-say if not more, because you are not even a first person in unprofessionalthis.[/QUOTE

Fortunately that is not the case.

So only things I say are hear-say. What you say are all fact? That's bad logic Peanut_18_18. Some one even pointed this out to you already. But that's ok. That's not an issue. You don't see this an issue with being unprofessional.

Is it not an issue Josh was telling people he owed me less money. But you claim he paid me in full? Both can not be true. Are you saying this is not unprofessional.

Is it still your main and only argument an unfounded personal slur on me. So any thing I have to say about the matter is incorect. And you still hold on to the fact you are professional.

What would you say if I told you I had a contract that shows Josh new about the $500 still owing? Thing can get rather embarasssing for you. When did professional start to me not paying people?

[MissBehavior]

Dave, if you have contracts (if It's verbal I hope you have a witness), just take them to small claims. Obviously you're not going to get any satisfaction from them this way.

I for one know that simply through the unprofessional name-calling that I've read in this thread, I will NEVER EVER support a Silverwaters party. I would also be happy to spread the word of their unprofessional conduct so that no one else ever supports them either.

[meth0dical]

they may not pay up, but they throw a damn good party.

[Séguin]

Originally Posted by meth0dical

they may not pay up, but they throw a damn good party.

Do we see a problem here?

[Leviathan]

who the fuck is silverwaters? with professionalism like that I'm suprised they have been around 2 years.

[meth0dical]

Originally Posted by Robb Peppertre

Do we see a problem here?

personally i dont have a problem because im not getting ripped off, and its not my fault dave is getting ripped off. im not really all that interested in the issues behind the scenes of their productions, i do my part buying tickets and having a damn good time at their shows.

[Crazy Dave]

Originally Posted by meth0dical

personally i dont have a problem because im not getting ripped off, and its not my fault dave is getting ripped off. im not really all that interested in the issues behind the scenes of their productions, i do my part buying tickets and having a damn good time at their shows.

the big issue is if they do it to me, then who else is going to get stung. And heck they've gone a little farther then trying to rip me off now.

LAME

But then again your view are no different then most party kids, so it's hard to blame you for you feelings.

[iluvtechno]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dave

AverageCitizen/Silverwaters, I provided Sound and Lighting for Summer Breaks Saturday, Aug 10, 2002.

The total bill was $1250
You so far have paid $750
Still owing is $500

Customer agreed to supply transportation, gas for generator, some manual labor and turn tables.

I agreed to supply staffing for all tech with set-up and striking of equipment, setup and control of lighting, and the equipment list of:
PA 10,000w (8 Bass Bins 6Mid-High, 1 Monitor)
Lighting:
-4 Intelligent track lights
-2 Electress
-2 Pin Spots
6 Sets of Scaffolding
2 Generators.

I was paid in part before the show, and then give another part payment during the night of the event. Because of the poor attendance of the show the promoter did not have significant cash for full payment. So I offered the promoter if he paid quickly with in a few days, I would reduce the sum owing in half to only $250. Now two years, and a lot of phone calls made by me to the promoter of this event, nothing has been accomplished. I'm out money I directly invested in this show and capital needed to sustain business. I hope to post this message on public board to finally resolve this issue in professional manner.

Feel free to comment if you have any facts or information about this. Telling me I'm wrong because I might have miss spelled some thing, or any assumed issues of my personal life is childish and is not factual in this situation. And yes I have the right to request full payment from business no matter what.

That's pretty sad when you have to post a thing like this on FnK.

Shame on people who do not feel committed to repaying debt, it should be their first priority. Seems like here when you lend someone money you have to beg them for your money back, use nice words to make sure they do not get 'offended' and refuse to ever pay you, and keep asking them nicely when you can get YOUR money back. What a sad place we live in.

[ppcock]

and that's why (some) promoters are sketchy, sketchy people.

[barstar]

Originally Posted by ppcock

and that's why (some) promoters are sketchy, sketchy people.

your a skinner u rapist...........

[FornoDan]

Originally Posted by AverageCitizen

Silverwaters puts on solid shows and thats IT!!!

agreed... only production crew im following around right now. You guys are awesome.

[FornoDan]

Originally Posted by MissBehavior

Dave, if you have contracts (if It's verbal I hope you have a witness), just take them to small claims. Obviously you're not going to get any satisfaction from them this way.

I for one know that simply through the unprofessional name-calling that I've read in this thread, I will NEVER EVER support a Silverwaters party. I would also be happy to spread the word of their unprofessional conduct so that no one else ever supports them either.

well i for one... do not support highschool drama.
guys... take it to court...

as for the not supporting silverwaters? i disagree, an argument that should be private that was unprofessionally made public by dave in a plea to get a small amount of $$ which brought out unprofessionability in both parties will not encourage me to discourage people to have the time of their life at one of the best production company's gigs.

keep the crowd goin guys.

[MissBehavior]

It's nice to know I get bad karma for having one of the few mature responses in this thread.

:star: for you! You know who you are! :)

[sNyx]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dave

AverageCitizen/Silverwaters, I provided Sound and Lighting for Summer Breaks Saturday, Aug 10, 2002.

The total bill was $1250
You so far have paid $750
Still owing is $500

Customer agreed to supply transportation, gas for generator, some manual labor and turn tables.

I agreed to supply staffing for all tech with set-up and striking of equipment, setup and control of lighting, and the equipment list of:
PA 10,000w (8 Bass Bins 6Mid-High, 1 Monitor)
Lighting:
-4 Intelligent track lights
-2 Electress
-2 Pin Spots
6 Sets of Scaffolding
2 Generators.

I was paid in part before the show, and then give another part payment during the night of the event. Because of the poor attendance of the show the promoter did not have significant cash for full payment. So I offered the promoter if he paid quickly with in a few days, I would reduce the sum owing in half to only $250. Now two years, and a lot of phone calls made by me to the promoter of this event, nothing has been accomplished. I'm out money I directly invested in this show and capital needed to sustain business. I hope to post this message on public board to finally resolve this issue in professional manner.

Feel free to comment if you have any facts or information about this. Telling me I'm wrong because I might have miss spelled some thing, or any assumed issues of my personal life is childish and is not factual in this situation. And yes I have the right to request full payment from business no matter what.

fnk and I don't care.
use another medium.