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Old Mar 14, 07
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CNN Special "Hip-Hop: Art or Poison?"

I'll be interested to hear some of your thoughts on this.
I think it's rediculous.



http://www.rapproject.tv/blog/?p=15

CNN correspondent Paula Zaun decides to investigate Hip-Hop and it’s related “controversy” - the violence, treatment of women, and gay bashing in an aptly titled special, “Hip-Hop: Art or Poison?” Don’t look for any talk of the positives that hip-hop has created in peeps lives - the hour-long CNN special stays clear of that. This was all about bashing the music and artists. There is just something that bugs me when mainstream media and it’s hosts who really have no clue about the culture - pretend to investigate it. Paula Zaun makes her feelings very clear throughout the special that she doesn’t like hip-hop and the influence it may be having on her own daughter. We loved the part when CNN takes a trip through the nightlife in Charlotte and the guns, drugs, and petty crime it discovers. I wondered what the fuck this part of the show had to do with music - except for the implied connection to hip-hop. The CNN special did include the good thoughts from some notables - except the token “screaming black chick” - who was just plain annoying. We wonder if CNN was really interested in investigating the root causes of crime and violence there may be better places to look. But I guess, politics and war is not as sexy to talk about then Fiddy.
Watch a video excerpt of the CNN special here.
Full show is available at CNN.com
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haha wtf i love her loose logic. There were some good speakers though on the defence of hip hop. It's funny because they are just bashing a glorified identity that they helped produce. I don't think she really understands how society works and attempts to draw conclusions. Stock footage + emotion + loose logic and she has herself a segment.
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This is nothing new though... I mean the connections they are trying to make have been glorified in the media for how long?

In the same respect all of you defenders of hip hop can't deny the connection is there in SOME cases. To place a blanket stereotype or stigma on the music or culture as a whole is wrong but some artists/labels def. have that stigma for good reasoning.
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white bitches and CNN don't know jack about hiphop.
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To place a blanket stereotype or stigma on the music or culture as a whole is wrong but some artists/labels def. have that stigma for good reasoning.
that's the problem, though. it seems like all the 40-something white reporters are just assuming that because one black dude rhymes about money, bitches & guns than "all those people that look the same are like that".
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^exactly, and it's wrong to draw a connection between the music & the crime and assume that one perpetuates the other. it's more likely that both are the result of larger economic & cultural trends.
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This is bullshit - we all know it's actually violent videogames that causes crime...
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after listening to dmx religiously in grade 10 ive always wanted to bath in a pool of blood

guys is this normal
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http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/hiphop/film.htm

^now THAT is a doco on violence in hip hop done correctly. it was brilliant.

No reasonable thinking person can deny that alot of mainstream rap attracts and promotes violence, thug life all that, wich is unfourtunate cause as we all know there is so much art in hip hop as well.
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This is bullshit - we all know it's actually violent videogames that causes crime...
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I think if you are going to 'investigate' something, you should show the good and the bad.
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I think if you are going to 'investigate' something, you should show the good and the bad.
exactly. anyone can watch BET/MTV for a day and go on CNN like Paula did and say how the IMAGE of the hiphop lifestyle is bad. just like anyone can play some PS3/XBOX360 games for a a few hours and say they are violent and cause school shootings.
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everyone always looking for someone to blame. Paula should spend more time taking care and communicating with her kids instead of making assumptions. Funny how they blame violence on hip hop music, but they don't blame violence on tv show's like 24 or Soprano's. It's ok to show it on tv, but it's not ok for someone to talk about it in a song.
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I was watching this fantastic documentry about Hip Hop a couple weeks ago.

i guess there was a study made that the vast majority of the people who buy gangster rap albums (the shit that old fools get their feathers ruffled over) are white males from mid-upper class suburban backgrounds.
The record industry caught onto this trend and pushed it.
That's why you don't see much concious hip hop on the radio anymore, like you did in the late 80s- early 90's aka the golden era.

There simply isn't as big a market for concious hip hop in comparison to the more violent,abnoxious,homophobic,sexist forms of rap music (like gangsta rap and whatever you call 50 cent n that kinda shit).

That's why shit like this is always on the news. The mainstream has been contaminated with a very harsh image of hip hop. You can thank the big name record companies for that.
Shitty rap sells.
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actually, it seems mainstream rap is finally receiving a bit of a backlash:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,255606,00.html

I'm really hoping for a resurgance in interest for the more conscious shit - hell even a renewed interest in the production style of yore rather than the minial jiggy style of production today would be great...

Sample laws have kinda mellowed out - or at the very least, it's a lot easier to obtain clearance rights since it's more widespread now... I used to love the raw, layered style of beat-making from the golden era producers...
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Old Mar 17, 07
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what about the positives of hip hop? like the emergence of an entirely new style of music within the last 30 years which is driving the entertainment, music and clothing industries. Culturally it helped fight racism from some people, and in cases some non-black people feel more connected to hip hop and it's culture than some black people. Whiggers or Chiggers that rock the lingo or clothing are a by-product of our cultural up bringing. Then again, it's things like this that make some people hate hip hop even more.

HipHop also revived poetry in many young people, freestyle dancers, and has given others a sense of love for music that many other genres didn't. North American born children whos parents lived elsewhere finally have THIS style of music that they can be immerse in. Hip Hop is VERY North American. Sure the problem that CNN is trying to state is about Violence and the degradation of black women. But this is all cured by education. Violence does influence children, but a parent can straighten that out by reminding them the moral implecations behind robbing people on the street, dealing crack for bling or smacking a hoe are.

Then there's women in music videos, apparently black women are given the idea that they are the lowest common denomination of person out there. To start, it was never about buying prostitutes when they rapped about hoes and forties. It was about gold digging hotties that look for the rapper types at clubs that are as expensive as hookers. And there are black women in black music videos because the rappers are usually black men. Who like black women, and the occasional blond or asian. You wanna end the degradation of women? Stop strip bars. Spending money on polishing your knob is a lifestyle for the wealthy and desperate anyways. But what guy doesn't like watching a chorus of boobs every now and again on TV. Even girls will stop to laugh or gawk too. It's just entertainment.

CNN is bullshit anyways. Look at all the coverage it has on the most rediculous topic. Anna Nicole Smith? Give me a break. But this bad media has to be stopped.

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I cant think of a time any of the hip hop I listen had any of those negative elements outlined in the article..

Im willing to bet some generalizations have been made as to what is consitered hip hop.
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i agree with paula. the majority of rap music out there causes the young people brain damage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN6C2qd8bsA
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