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Dec 14, 06
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Dec 14, 06
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I tend to think those of you thinking nice guys don't finish last are very wrong. Nice guys finish last because girls tend to take advantage of it. It's been admitted to me twice now *shrugs*
It's human nature to take as much as you can get and definetly most girls around my age (20) will just take and than once an issue is brought up they leave. Just my two cents:) That's pretty awesome whoever wrote that though.
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Dec 14, 06
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I have a girlfriend. Does this make me an asshole? Because by your logic it does.
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Dec 14, 06
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That's a really good point...Being nice and being assertive vs passive are two completely different things there are a ton of people who are super nice, but speak their mind if something bugs them, results with the opposite sex might not be right away, but in time those are the kind of guys that usually get a quality chick. Its just a matter of time before a girl/woman finds out that 9/10 of the "bad guys" have little or nothing to offer.
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Dec 14, 06
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Read the entire post, count to 5, think, than post please. Thanks.
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Dec 15, 06
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i think this thread brings out the asshole in all nice guys
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Dec 16, 06
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Nice guys dont necessarily finish last...but from my experiences the majority of women (whether they admit it of not) prefer a "bad boy" over a nice guy anyday. This is a mechanism in women that goes wayyy back to when we were living in tribes of 50 or so. Its not about who compliments her on her tunic or picks her wild flowers after missing the shot from the days hunt. Its about the Man, the man who's going to protect her, produce strong healthy children and make that important shot and bring home dinner.
Nowadays of course there are several other factors that would lead a modern woman to pursue a "nice guy". But in the end 50% of women cheat, and i dont think its with that poet friend she talks about or her friend gary who listens to all her drama... Last edited by NathanHall; Dec 16, 06 at 07:48 PM.
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Dec 17, 06
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yea i know man my buddy whos a complete asshole to women even agrees to it, kinda funny if you ask me
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Dec 18, 06
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Dec 18, 06
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Maybe it's better rephrased as pessimists finish last, because I've failed at the chick-game about as much as any "nice guy" who seems to be complaining that they can't get a date. But I would never go so far as to say that I finish last. Does this mean I'm not a nice guy? It has as much to do with your outlook of it as anything else. What these so-called "nice guys" fall into is what we call a self-fulfilling prophecy. That is to say, if you believe that you'll never get a girl without being an a$$hole, then you'll soon learn that you're right. That being said, if you go into it with a positive attitude, and focus more on the getting there than the actual prize, you'll notice that even if the shoot-down occurs (and it will, regardless of how nice or mean you happen to be) you learn from it and move on with life and take on the next thing to come your way. Placing the blame for your failures on how nice a person you are simply internalizes things that are simply beyond your control. You show me a guy who's never been turned down by a chick and I'll show you a liar.
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Dec 19, 06
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It's equally as annoying when nice guys complain about never getting girls as when girls complain about never finding nice guys.
As it's been stated, there is a difference between nice and push overs. For the purpose of this thread, it's directed at guys - emotionally crippled and needy men with a lot of emo baggage are so not sexy. It may make a girl feel needed and important at first, but eventually the vulerability, and constant NEED for reassurance is enough to make anyone want to rip out their hair and run away vomitting. And just as nice guys don't neccessarily equate to push overs, confident guys don't neccessarily equate to jerks. Speaking from experience, I have dated nice guys and pushovers, stayed with them to try and help them work through their problems or whatever - but it's pointless, they have to learn to deal with their own shit and not be so dependent on another person. It's just not sexy, it's like dating a fuckin' child - you have to constantly watch what you say to be aware that you aren't offending them or anything. I'm not a fuckin' babysitter and it's just not worth it in my opinion. ATTN: pushover guys - let your balls drop and stop being such fuckin' pussies.
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Dec 19, 06
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Dec 19, 06
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Nice guy seems to be synonomis(sp?) with "doormatt" a lot of the time. I have no problems telling a girl that I am interested in my feelings. If she gives me the dismissive "lets be friends (but i still expect to be treated special)" bullshit. I tell her that I don't have time for it. If a girl realizes that you arn't going to just wait around, be a "just in case", and do everything that a b/f would, without at least some reciprocation, she might realize that you are worth chasing. Which is the key.
Girls almost always want some challenge. Some guy that is willing to do everything for them at the drop of a hat. Is NOT a challenge whatsoever. So all you "doormats" should concentrate on girls with low self esteem and lack of ambition. Or wait until a girl breaks your heart and forces you to realize that one can be nice, without taking shit. Niceguy - one who takes into account other peoples' feelings when making decisions that may potentially impact others. someone who actually gives a shit about people other than himself. The proverbial "Doormat" - One who takes into account other peoples' feelings, completely disregards his own, and is willing to endure pointless bullshit in order to make sure that everyone knows that he is "nice". A "doormat" cares more about other people than himself, usually because of self esteem issues, and uses his selfless dismissal of his own feelings as a way to make himself feel good about himself. see "martyr". "Doormat"s usually can be spotted by their neverending need to make sure that everyone knows just how "nice" they are, whether this is done in a straight forward manner, or through constant innuendo.
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Dec 19, 06
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k. this is the conclusion i've drawn
nice guys = pushovers nice people = good people who don't need to constantly refer to themselves as "nice guys" to justify their involuntary celibacy
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Dec 19, 06
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I don't know how you still took my statement as blanket for every single one. No kidding, every single person cannot be covered under this statement, but when it comes down to it nice guys still do finish last.
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Dec 20, 06
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*sigh* "but when it comes down to it nice guys still do finish last" This is a blanket statement. How you can twist it to be anything but is beyond me.
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Dec 20, 06
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Holy shit hahaha this got taken deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep haha
and Hammered i meant dont know the name of the guy who wrote it but yea i understand the context that its written under None the less stop arguing over this you guys, its just one persons opinion, sure most girls are superficial whores (no offence) and most guys are assholes (Its true) Nobodies perfect. 'cept me. :Lazee:
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Dec 27, 06
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Read some more & look at the date it was written.
http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~jenf/writing/ http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~jenf/
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Dec 28, 06
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