Suicide & Alcoholism

[dj4mula]

This great halloween weekend took a 180 on Sunday. A close friend was admitted to Emergency for a sucide attempt. Our group of friends do not know what to do. We feel its from her alcohol abuse, but we didnt know it was this big of a problem until Sunday. She was to have stayed at the hospital for a few days to be monitored but she checked herself out to stay @ home because they were going to get her 2 sleep on a strecher in the hallway. This idea terrified her.

What do I do? I'm never been so scaried in my life. What should our friends do? Who do I call to help her seek help? She says she's going to tlak 2 the dr.s that the hosptial recommenend. Is it time for a intervention? Should she be working? So many questions that are unanswered.

`t1m

[jim]

Originally posted by dj4mula
What do I do?

I'd say contact AA, see if they have any listings for any good rehab centres.

What should our friends do?

I'd say go out to dinner, or get everyone together to find the best means of tackling the problem at hand.

Who do I call to help her seek help?

AA Vancouver 604.434.3933, it's open 24hrs.

She says she's going to tlak 2 the dr.s that the hosptial recommenend.

At this point and time I'd say that she probably isn't going to take any of what the doctors say to heart. If her problem is this serious, I'd say that she really needs someone to walk her through this.

Is it time for a intervention? Should she be working? So many questions that are unanswered.

I would say at this point and time an intervention is long overdue, like I said before as sad as it might seem she needs someone to babysit her through this. I would say that working should be the least of her concerns at this point and time.

hope some of that helped.

[Erica]

Yeah, definitely. If she already ended up in the hospital from a suicide attempt, like Jim said, intervention is LONG overdue. Check out AA...if she's not comfortable in going to group meetings, ask AA if there are any counselling centers that specialse in alcoholism that she could go to. If money is an issue, there are some free services that are offered around the city. The more help she gets, the better, and the more consistent it is, the better her chances are of getting better and actually sticking to it. She needs as much support and care as possible right now.

[crackdragon]

Probably the best thing that you can do for her right now is just be there for her and ler her know that she has friends that care about her, and that want to help her. Alot of times there is udnerlying problems that have led to the alcohol abuse in the first place. Booze helps hide the pain, and seems to make everything else seem better. Either you or one of her firneds should really sit down and talk with her first. It takes alot to really admit you have a problem. If it is just the booze then I would agree with what is above and AA would probably be the best course of action. If not then another type of therapy would be the best way to go cause if you arent adressing the real pprob then she is either going to take a long time to recover or not really recover from this at all, and will probably go back to what is comfortable. I hope everything works for your friend.

[Jingles]

A botched suicide attempt is definatley a call for help - but 'Intervention' may not be the best call to action (if it was an actual 'in your face intervention') as it may be too abrasive - but certainlly a 'sit down' conversation with those closest to her is a good idea - time to open up the lines of communication. I am sure that she is feeling really self concious and embarassed that her actions did not result in death this past weekend
and she may be apprehensive to talk to just any one - offer to go with her to speak to a professional, be there to hold her hand -- but don't forget you can only be a hand to hold and to guide her - Ultimately she must decide to help herself to some degree...the old you can lead a horse to water thing

And reminds her how much you care for her - and encourage others to do the same :)

[Ragga_Wh0re]

i dont think the whole aa thing would go over well with her,instead of focusing on making her quit boozing all together go for harm reduction...it will probabally work better than springing the thought on her of qutting boozing all 2gother.If u were to spring the idea of making her quit boozing she will defy it till shes blue in the face and chokin on her own vomit. When i was going through drug treatment and stuff I realized that harm reduction was more possible than qutting cold turkey. AA is a bunch of whiney alcoholics bitching and whining about thier problems,not talking about how they can better thier lives and make an affective change,take it from someone whos been there aka me. Same with NA, a buncha whiney shmucks more interested in dwelling in thier self pity rather than makin a change for the better.

I suggest you find her a counsellor or therapist that will focus on harm reduction and help her deal with the issues that forces her to drink copious amounts of booze until she almost dies.

Good luck,i hope everything turns out for the best:)

[hardstylin]

i would give her shit as soon as my friends start goin overboard with abusing booze and drugs i let them have it and im not nice about if u see ur friends starting to fuck up u have to let them no.after u try and help them.

[cinist]

suicide and AA are very much alike in that if you dont want it to work it wont

that doesnt help but thats my insight

good luck

[Ragga_Wh0re]

Originally posted by hardstylin
i would give her shit as soon as my friends start goin overboard with abusing booze and drugs i let them have it and im not nice about if u see ur friends starting to fuck up u have to let them no.after u try and help them.

you NEVER give ur friends shit when it comes to drugs&alcohol issues NEVER. Thats the worst possible thing you could do. When you get angry at someone who is close to you for abusing drugs and alcohol they are gonna feel like even worse shit and fall into it even more deeply AND also make them feel like your against them. You approach your friend as a friend,show respect and maintain empathy.

[agent.starling]

i agree ... you dont give a girl shit when she's on the edge. thats just the stupidest thing ive heard today. talk to a counsellor within the community ... ask them your questions, they're most likely going to have a better answer than those on a message board.

[dj4mula]

^^^

Thanks for all the responses. My friend has contacted a counsellor and our group of friends are showing 100% support.

`t1m

[vesperstina]

give us updates.

what's your friend doing now?

[hardstylin]

Originally posted by ~*goddessa*~


you NEVER give ur friends shit when it comes to drugs&alcohol issues NEVER. Thats the worst possible thing you could do. When you get angry at someone who is close to you for abusing drugs and alcohol they are gonna feel like even worse shit and fall into it even more deeply AND also make them feel like your against them. You approach your friend as a friend,show respect and maintain empathy.

thanks for the tip but ive delt with this problem more then once and if you think my friends and I havent tried the being nice and supportive method of helping ur crazy, it didnt work they just kept it goin and kept goin further down the toilet so one day i lost it and he stopped. In fact he went to rehab for 5 weeks and hes been clean for over a year now.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

^diff strokes for diff folks. I found the being nice method to be most affective. When id bitch at my friends for being down junkies or jib heads they didnt give a fuck and told me to shut up. so yah,dont get so defensive.

[ppcock]

get her listening to manson

[Ragga_Wh0re]

^i didnt find that to be humorous AT ALL.

[MissZiggy]

Originally posted by SpaceGhost
well i say push the bitch over the edge i call bluff common its not that hard to kill urself right ???.....tell her to give me a if she needs some help with ideas and shit i can make it look like an accident. And im ganna get her to right a sucide note saying it was ur fucking because u were being an inconsiderate little bitch and always made fun of her and shit....ill get her to mail it to her mom and when she starts to cry and break down and shit thats when i will get her at her weak point and burst her anal cherry mail up the chunks and send then to ur husband in a cake so her can eat them

Noticed how this is called 'Heart 2 Heart'? It's not meant for your ignorant and cruel words. He's looking for some help here not some punk kid with smart ass remarks. Like the old saying says: 'If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all'.
It's rude ppl like you that ruin this board.

[dj4mula]

Originally posted by SpaceGhost
well i say push the bitch over the edge i call bluff common its not that hard to kill urself right ???.....tell her to give me a if she needs some help with ideas and shit i can make it look like an accident. And im ganna get her to right a sucide note saying it was ur fucking because u were being an inconsiderate little bitch and always made fun of her and shit....ill get her to mail it to her mom and when she starts to cry and break down and shit thats when i will get her at her weak point and burst her anal cherry mail up the chunks and send then to ur husband in a cake so her can eat them

:finger:

[hardstylin]

Originally posted by ~*goddessa*~
^diff strokes for diff folks. I found the being nice method to be most affective. When id bitch at my friends for being down junkies or jib heads they didnt give a fuck and told me to shut up. so yah,dont get so defensive.

sorry for soundin like a prix i just get pissed off thinkin about how dumb some of my friends are.