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Old Mar 03, 04
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Pedophilia-phobia

Totally dominant in world society today.... especially North America. Who woulda thought people would find little boys kinky....

disgusting behaviour

but whats also worse is condemning Michael Jackson, one of the worlds most influencial characters ever over child abuse, something he has preached love over and over again in his music and his words.

I'm not necessarily saying he is not a little bit crazy, but he is that way because humanity made him that way
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Old Mar 03, 04
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So, even if he molests kids, we shouldn't criticize him because he's a 'good guy' and society has turned him into a freak?

No deal.
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Old Mar 03, 04
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if he really does molest kids (and the right evidence is shown or even if we don't ever really find out... it just really did happen)


then fuck Michael Jackson

till then i'm on his side
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Old Mar 03, 04
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If he did it he should be punished just like anyone else should
People should practice what they preach!

And he can't, or better yet we can't blame our mistakes and misfortunes on society.

I sincerely hope he didn't do it!
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Old Mar 03, 04
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^werd up man :keebler:
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Old Mar 03, 04
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Originally posted by AGROculture

I sincerely hope he didn't do it!
Me too, but for the sake of the boy rather than MJ.
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Old Mar 03, 04
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whats even sicker that the Church in the USA has been running a pedophile workshop for over 50 years!!!.. i mean come on thats disgusting, Organized religion is a joke thats caused death and oppression over the centurys, and now molesting of hundreds and hundreds of children? which probably went on in the past as well, but never recorded.... i say down with Organized religion, people should practice there religion by themselves
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Old Mar 03, 04
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^

Hey, I'm all for people practicing religion on their own - I think its the best way.

But I'm also for tollerance of the way other people choose to worship, no matter how silly I think it is.
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Old Mar 03, 04
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Hey, I'm all for people practicing religion on their own - I think its the best way.

But I'm also for tollerance of the way other people choose to worship, no matter how silly I think it is.

[edit - so long as that way doesnt involve abuse, of course!]
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Old Mar 03, 04
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aside the Michael Jackson issue...

has anyone noticed even kids in elementary schools are getting their parents to sue teachers because they touched them in a funny way?

it just amazes me what the state of the world is today. when i was growing up i didn't even know what the fuck pedophilia was.
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Old Mar 03, 04
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dude, sexual abuse is nothing new. It was just never talked about before.

Its not that there's some new breed of kiddie loving teachers out there, its that society has evolved to the point where this kind of thing isn't hidden away and covered up.
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Old Mar 03, 04
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dude, sexual abuse is nothing new. It was just never talked about before.

Its not that there's some new breed of kiddie loving teachers out there, its that society has evolved to the point where this kind of thing isn't hidden away and covered up.
i heavily disgree and must address the danger in your comment

i see it completely differently
of course (sorry for my heirachial systematic analysis) in lower class socieities and poorer schools where security for children cannot be afforded, things like this have happened since the beginning of the education system. thats why parents with higher education levels usually send their children to safer schools for the well being of them... guarding and sheltering them from the atrocities of society. i myself can speak for that as i come from a fortunate family and i thank my parents every step of the way.

but aside that, what i think it happening is the exploitation, and overhype of pedophilia, even when it is may not really be the case. disturbed parents who may need that extra dough in their pockets are basically ripping the innocense of their children at a very young age and educating them about pedophila... i mean i wouldn't be surprised if the parents went up to their kids and said "every time that teacher touches you, make sure you tell me where."

its disgusting

and i don't think you're seeing it right. i think this is a severe issue that is going on this very day today. the abuse and exploitation of law
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Old Mar 03, 04
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Well, I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. Certainly there are people unjustly accused in some cases - but in the case of a child versus a teacher I'm generally going to give the benefit of the doubt to the vulnerable party, not the person in the position of power.

I don't think there is a major "exploitation and overhype" of pedophelia - I think its a real problem, and we should be right to condemn it. I think kids today are lucky to have a legal and support system to fall back on when 25 years ago people would have looked the other way.

And while yes, certainly I think the problem was more endemic to people in more vulnerable and poverty stricken sectors of society (like say, First Nations residential schools) the problem was by no means exclusive to them - look at all of the church abuses, the Maple Leaf Gardens hockey abuse that came out a couple years ago, or the sexual abuse of babysitters - these are problems that affected upper and middle class kids just as much as poor ones- they just wern't recognized publicly.
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Old Mar 03, 04
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rebuttle rebuttle!
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Old Mar 03, 04
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i dont think our disagreeances are far off now. i think we are now thinking on the same track but i guess our priorties of importances are different. but whatever its all good i think we've proven and settled that arguement.

the facts you have also presented are new sides of the story which of course, are real cases and the victims from those occurances are probably scarred for life and i feel shame in humanity that such events had to take place. i do of course agree that pedophilia is happening and its digusting.

but you of course cant deny the exploitation of it

but anyways i think we are in an agreement and have proven both sides of the case well =)
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Old Mar 03, 04
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To throw things in a totally different direction... I've learned in some of my pysc classes about some societies where people teach children "hands on" (no pun intended) about sex as soon as they are physically able to do so. This would involve adults having sexual contact with children (same sex and opposite sex). These cultures view sex as something that should be open and is a natural part of life, so it should not be something to be ashamed of. This type of behaviour in our society would be considered pedophelia and would leave children scared and ashamed for what could be their whole lives. So my question, what part of the damage that is done to children who are abused is based on the sexual stance of our society and the fact that they are forced to be ashamed of their sexuality?

*note-I am not advocating pedophilia at all, just stirring the pot*
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Old Mar 03, 04
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i was watchign this thing on micheal jackson and seeing how much everythign he owns is worth etc....
and i saw so many children things.. honestly... i feel micheal jackson is bisexual.. and since he did not have a normal childhood becuz he was in teh business since he was young.. he is tryign to relive wut he missed.... and w/ the bisexuality kicking inleads to the 'seduction' of younger children.. becuz in his mind he prob see's himself as a kid... u kno wut i mean.. so in a way i blame it on whoever got him into the busisness so early and not letting him grow up like a normal child

sorry i jus read the begining.. but also.. i have known about pedophiles since i was a little girl.. i watched programs w/ my parents.. and i was always educated bout things in this matter.. and in any matter... in fact i was one of the first kids i kne that kne bout these issue's i used to tell my friends bout them... and i jus feel my parents since they couldnt see wut went on at skool they taught me how to look out for myself.. and i think more parents should do that.. no by saying "tell me wehre they touch u" type of thing.. but like "watch out for things.. be careful" type of things like educate ur children... i dunno ahrd to explain.. im jus glad my parents taught me the values...

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