why does it have to be so secret?

[Holidazed]

ok i know i'll probably get shit for asking this but I'd like to hear some views from you all.

why do rave locations here have to be so secret and only announced the day of the event? I can understand some of the big outdoor ones, they dont want to get busted up but....cops still know about them. permit have to be purchased, equipment rented, its not like the organizers sneak into the woods at midnight and set up when no one is around. who are we trying to hide parties from? rednecks?

and then the small ones, people will say "its in new west but I cant say where"...we all know that there are only 1 or 2 venues in new west for parties, so its pretty obvious where it will be. why does it have to be a secret still?

It seems like it would make it easier to make plans in advance if everyone knew for sure where a party would be help so they could work out transportation arrangments and travel times.

Those are just my thoughts. can someone please fill me in?

[*STARFISH*]

its because like you said
people dont wanna get busted

[bob]

who would buy pre-sale tickets to a party that they KNOW is gonna be in a sweaty hole?

might as well fuck SOME people over while you can!

[frontline]

It is illegal to throw an all-night party without a permit. very hard to obtain if i am correct. I like the excitement of not knowing where it is. And since im not from vancity or anywhere really close, its always a good adventure finding the party.
Makes the night that much better.

[ebbomega]

Because most of the time they're illegal, and cops do pay attention to this stuff. Not to mention, a lot of the really good parties aren't necessarily open to the public (Invite-only and whatnot). Announcing the location beforehand invites sketchy people.

Plus, finding the party is part of the fun. Checkpoints are great for filtering out sketchy fucks who are going to wreck the party. They're also a great place to sort out transportation stuff. For instance, you run into people there that are also going to the party, and they might have extra space in the car, so you tag along. More often than not, checkpoints are easy-to-get-to-places (Usually near skytrain or at least within walking distance in my experience).

If your party is in a sketchy part of town (Theatre E for example) the last thing you want is people lining up outside the door trying to get in. Crowd of ravers = Heat score.

Pre-announcement only really works with legal and outdoor parties, really. Outdoor parties, I like the idea of a venue being announced like a week in advance, so people can set up renegade stages and whatnot early, and thus create a truly free environment for mass chaos to happen. Summerlove and Apex both used to be like that. Then they became too designed like an outdoor Plaza party...

Then one day, a few people decided to show up at Apex with a bunch of sound equipment. Anybody asked "What are you guys doing?" the response was usually "What the hell does it look like we're doing? We're setting up sound!"

Heh. Breaking in a party and throwing a rave. Beautiful.

Anyways. The secrecy is necessary, IMHO. If you don't like it, stick to your spoonfed parties which require no effort to get to. If you're not willing to make an effort to go to a party, then don't bloody go. But checkpoints and lack of pre-announcement have been happening LOOOOOOONG before you ever started raving.

[Holidazed]

Originally Posted by *STARFISH*

its because like you said
people dont wanna get busted

busted by who? cops? these arent little events dont by high schiool kids. these are parties with big djs, professional promoters and sometimes sponsors. you'd thinkt hat they wouldn't put all of that time and money into something with a high risk of being "busted"

are you saying that these parties held at the croatian cultural center or other places like that don't have permits an illegal? its pretty eaasy for a cop to drive by and see a bunch of cars,loud music and tripping 16 yr olds in front of a venue and be able to figure out whats going on. it may be a secret for the weeks before...but the day of the event its pretty obvious.

[MrDFrost]

Heres the reason....police require 24 hours to obtain any type of search permit and or warrent...if the location is made public a few hours prior to the event happening....and the cops find out about it. the owner of the establishment has the right to deny them access....

[Holidazed]

well said everyone. thanks for the feedback. those are some points I didn't think of in the past.

and ebbomega: i'm not saying I don't like those types of parties with checkpoints, but its just that sometimes i'd like to know if i'm going to be paying $30 to party in a nice venue or like Bob said, in "a sweaty hole"

[rawb]

because i dont want a bunch of dumb fuck wankers to be lined up outside my venue tagging my shit and breaking windows because they didnt have enough money to get in.

the harder you make it to show up for the casual fucktard the less fucktards get inside.

[miss.myra]

What are you, new?

[miss.myra]

ps- checkpoints are fun! the more, the more FUN!@@#%@#4

[Holidazed]

I'm not new to the party scene, but a bit new to the vancouver scene.
I've been to a few here but want to check out more.

I used to party alot down in Florida in the late 90's and it was a bit different than here.

[shorerider]

I would like to have a party in bob's sweaty hole(s) and would gladly pony up the $30.

[MrDFrost]

are you going to the venue tomorrow night?? it is too an undisclosed location.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by MrDFrost

Heres the reason....police require 24 hours to obtain any type of search permit and or warrent...if the location is made public a few hours prior to the event happening....and the cops find out about it. the owner of the establishment has the right to deny them access....

I sense a hint of Bullshit.

Denying cops access is a certifiable way to get your party busted.

Just over 3 years ago, Slipstream threw the party that would ultimately be the death of the production crew. Stupid sweet venue, crazy-ass DJs, everything was set and primed to be a raging killer party. Seriously, this one was going to be a massive party at a stupidly sweet venue with talent up the yin-yang. Lucky Charms 2.

So someone has a brilliant idea, and about an hour before the party starts, they decide to order a pizza to the venue. Pizza guy shows up, starts knocking on the front door of the venue, and some cops see this (on East Hastings right at the heart of the Sketch district, I'll note). Finally the guy goes around to the back and starts knocking on that door. Cops follow him. Mess sorted out, idiotboy gets his pizza, and as the pizza guy is leaving, idiotboy sees the cops coming towards the door, wondering "WTF? This place is supposed to be empty?"

So what does idiotboy do?

Slams the door in the cops' face.

Party's over before the first shuttlebus even makes it to the door.

Not even gonna let them have it till 2:00. The cop felt too insulted. Just wasn't going to happen.

Lesson learned: Treat the cops with fucking respect. They're the goddamn cops already. They're the ones with the guns, the backup and the authority. Don't push them to rain said authority down on you. When it's you vs. the cops, you're going to lose.

I've been to many parties where the cops have shown up and they've run all night. More often than not, cops just want to make sure that everybody's safe and not disturbing anybody. If they go into a venue and see 15 year olds whacked out on drugs, it's going to get shut down by 2am at least. If they see a bunch of adults having a good time, and they're treated with respect then it's pretty likely you'll be allowed to go all night. Don't act self-righteous to the cops. They have plenty things, when it comes to raves, that they can bust you on.

[bob]

Originally Posted by shorerider

I would like to have a party in bob's sweaty hole(s) and would gladly pony up the $30.

that's going in the sig...
HAH

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Holidazed

and ebbomega: i'm not saying I don't like those types of parties with checkpoints, but its just that sometimes i'd like to know if i'm going to be paying $30 to party in a nice venue or like Bob said, in "a sweaty hole"

It's a rave. This whole scene was built on people partying in "sweaty holes".

Best parties I've been to have been at sweaty holes.

BC Trance-It was in a warehouse where it was practically raining sweat. Puddles of raver sludge were about an inch deep along the entire floor. But nobody cared. That was the beauty of it.

For crying out loud, the club where House music was born was called "The Warehouse". Doesn't get much more sweaty and holish than that.

*nominates this thread for the Suck It Up, Princess Award*

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Holidazed

are you saying that these parties held at the croatian cultural center or other places like that don't have permits an illegal? its pretty eaasy for a cop to drive by and see a bunch of cars,loud music and tripping 16 yr olds in front of a venue and be able to figure out whats going on. it may be a secret for the weeks before...but the day of the event its pretty obvious.

I've seen plenty of parties busted simply because there's a bunch of cars, loud music and tripping 16 year olds in front of a venue.

That's why they're so secretive, so that that kind of stuff doesn't happen. One of the best arguments for checkpoints right there.

[MC Hammered]

Listen to Dave as he knows the past history.

I was pissed about the Lucky Charms 2 incident.

[shorerider]

Originally Posted by bob

that's going in the sig...
HAH

I've hit the big time, baby!

[bob]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

It's a rave. This whole scene was built on people partying in "sweaty holes".

Best parties I've been to have been at sweaty holes.

BC Trance-It was in a warehouse where it was practically raining sweat. Puddles of raver sludge were about an inch deep along the entire floor. But nobody cared. That was the beauty of it.

For crying out loud, the club where House music was born was called "The Warehouse". Doesn't get much more sweaty and holish than that.

*nominates this thread for the Suck It Up, Princess Award*

that may be true.
all the TRUE ravers would agree with that.
BUT. if you wanna make money at a party, you gotta draw attention from more than just the people who enjoy the sweaty holes.

[bob]

Originally Posted by MC Hammered

I was pissed about the Lucky Charms 2 incident.

BUT THAT WAS THE BEST PARTY EVER!
SITTING AROUND THE KOREAN MEETING EVERYONE SOBER WITH THE LIGHTS ON!

[SEAN!]

not knowing is half the fun

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

I sense a hint of Bullshit.

Denying cops access is a certifiable way to get your party busted.

Just over 3 years ago, Slipstream threw the party that would ultimately be the death of the production crew. Stupid sweet venue, crazy-ass DJs, everything was set and primed to be a raging killer party. Seriously, this one was going to be a massive party at a stupidly sweet venue with talent up the yin-yang. Lucky Charms 2.

So someone has a brilliant idea, and about an hour before the party starts, they decide to order a pizza to the venue. Pizza guy shows up, starts knocking on the front door of the venue, and some cops see this (on East Hastings right at the heart of the Sketch district, I'll note). Finally the guy goes around to the back and starts knocking on that door. Cops follow him. Mess sorted out, idiotboy gets his pizza, and as the pizza guy is leaving, idiotboy sees the cops coming towards the door, wondering "WTF? This place is supposed to be empty?"

So what does idiotboy do?

Slams the door in the cops' face.

Party's over before the first shuttlebus even makes it to the door.

Not even gonna let them have it till 2:00. The cop felt too insulted. Just wasn't going to happen.

Lesson learned: Treat the cops with fucking respect. They're the goddamn cops already. They're the ones with the guns, the backup and the authority. Don't push them to rain said authority down on you. When it's you vs. the cops, you're going to lose.

I've been to many parties where the cops have shown up and they've run all night. More often than not, cops just want to make sure that everybody's safe and not disturbing anybody. If they go into a venue and see 15 year olds whacked out on drugs, it's going to get shut down by 2am at least. If they see a bunch of adults having a good time, and they're treated with respect then it's pretty likely you'll be allowed to go all night. Don't act self-righteous to the cops. They have plenty things, when it comes to raves, that they can bust you on.

werd i know at a few DA parties the cops showded up saw it for what it was, but the security gaurds took em around the venue to show em the entire place..they siad turn the music down...we did, they even came back again to turn the music down, the dj final got the point and did...and that party was bumping till 7am..hell me money and a few other people were taking shots of gin in the hallway at 8am..

that party was a blast.

[hardstylin]

Originally Posted by Holidazed

ok i know i'll probably get shit for asking this but I'd like to hear some views from you all.

why do rave locations here have to be so secret and only announced the day of the event? I can understand some of the big outdoor ones, they dont want to get busted up but....cops still know about them. permit have to be purchased, equipment rented, its not like the organizers sneak into the woods at midnight and set up when no one is around. who are we trying to hide parties from? rednecks?

and then the small ones, people will say "its in new west but I cant say where"...we all know that there are only 1 or 2 venues in new west for parties, so its pretty obvious where it will be. why does it have to be a secret still?

It seems like it would make it easier to make plans in advance if everyone knew for sure where a party would be help so they could work out transportation arrangments and travel times.

Those are just my thoughts. can someone please fill me in?

well from personal exp from throwing parties ive had one shutt down because the owner of the building found out we were throwing a rave and came and shut us down, and yes cops dont always know parties are happening, and the 2 outdoor parities ive thrown were just bring the shit out and set it up.and most people do know where the party is gona be before the venue date is released unless your a poser :) least all the hardcores do!!