US troops in Fallujah

sidekick · #1 (**permalink**) Nov 16, 04

horray! you liberated an Iraq city of insurgents!

....wait....didn't you pretty much destroy the city in the process, and leave every civilian still there without electricity, food, water and medical care.

they're so much better off :)

Goat · #2 (**permalink**) Nov 16, 04

I just realized something.
The US is at war with an idea.
How do you beat an idea?

sidekick · #3 (**permalink**) Nov 16, 04

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Originally Posted by Goat

I just realized something.
The US is at war with an idea.
How do you beat an idea?

according to them you blow up as much stuff as possible and declare victory when it seems appropriate.

e_BoY · #4 (**permalink**) Nov 16, 04

damn americans

miss.myra · #5 (**permalink**) Nov 16, 04

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Originally Posted by Goat

I just realized something.
The US is at war with an idea.
How do you beat an idea?

I hope they erradicate cancer next! Then racism! Then those Maury Povich paternity shows!

USA A'OK!

Grapes · #6 (**permalink**) Nov 16, 04

"Let's get something straight alright? The US is never going to win the war on terrorism... at no point are we gonna go .. "whew! got'em all!".. Declaring a war on terrorism is crazy! That's like declaring a war on jealousy!" - David Cross

Senior · #7 (**permalink**) Nov 17, 04

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Originally Posted by miss.myra

I hope they erradicate cancer next! Then racism! Then those Maury Povich paternity shows!

USA A'OK!

Don't forget drugs!

decypher · #8 (**permalink**) Nov 17, 04

^^Cuz we all know that imprisoning millions of Pot heads has rid the US of this evil cancer called Drug use.

Goat · #9 (**permalink**) Nov 17, 04

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according to them you blow up as much stuff as possible and declare victory when it seems appropriate.

Sounds like vietnam all over again; Go to war. War drags on longer then expected. US has to man the fuck up, can't be a pussy. Declare victory and retreat.
10:1 says it happens. Not soon, but it'll happen.

-ff- · #10 (**permalink**) Nov 17, 04

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Originally Posted by miss.myra

I hope they erradicate cancer next! Then racism! Then those Maury Povich paternity shows!

USA A'OK!

Sorry Myra, the War on Gays is next in line in the American line up of dumb, unwinnable, and morally reprehensible wars against concepts (not that the 'war on drugs' or 'war on terror' will ever end). War on racism doesnt start until 2410 when they finally elect a black president.

-ff- · #11 (**permalink**) Nov 17, 04

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Originally Posted by Goat

Sounds like vietnam all over again; Go to war. War drags on longer then expected. US has to man the fuck up, can't be a pussy. Declare victory and retreat.
10:1 says it happens. Not soon, but it'll happen.

I was struck by how much the frequent reporting of the body count in Falluja resembled PR tactics during Vietnam. Keep telling the folks back home we're killing them 100:1, and it will look like you are winning. Of course, we saw who really won in Nam...

**sNyx** · #12 (**permalink**) Nov 17, 04

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Originally Posted by Grapes

"Let's get something straight alright? The US is never going to win the war on terrorism... at no point are we gonna go .. "whew! got'em all!".. Declaring a war on terrorism is crazy! That's like declaring a war on jealousy!" - David Cross

Should they sit back and let Terrorism get them? How would (well half) of the American race feel if there was no VISUAL action being taken? You are correct, you can't eradicate terrorism, but you sure can't sit back wait for dinner.

ebbomega · #13 (**permalink**) Nov 17, 04

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Originally Posted by Goat

I just realized something.
The US is at war with an idea.
How do you beat an idea?

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."
- George Orwell

decypher · #14 (**permalink**) Nov 17, 04

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Originally Posted by sNyx™

Should they sit back and let Terrorism get them? How would (well half) of the American race feel if there was no VISUAL action being taken? You are correct, you can't eradicate terrorism, but you sure can't sit back wait for dinner.

Then why dont they attack iran which actually has nuclear weapons and parades them around. Instead just supply weapons to Isreal to keep everyone else busy, while they rape and pillage Iraq for all its resources. So i guess picking a weak target, and then convincing the general public that its a perceived threat to America is part of their preventative war policy outlined in there 2002 National Security Strategy

decypher · #15 (**permalink**) Nov 17, 04

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Originally Posted by ebbomega

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."
- George Orwell

hah i've heard u whip out the George orwell quotes more then once. I really want to read 1984, looks like an amazing book.

ebbomega · #16 (**permalink**) Nov 17, 04

Amazing? Yeah.
Glorious? Fuck no.
Scary as fuck? Oh hell yeah.

-ff- · #17 (**permalink**) Nov 17, 04

^

For a more contemporary dystopian scare, might I reccomend Margret Atwood's Oryx and Crake. (please disregard that it was written by margret atwood. Somehow, it manages to be quite excellent despite this shortcomming)

tvmann · #18 (**permalink**) Nov 17, 04

Big thing on the news today was a US marine shooting dead an unarmed wounded and down Iraqi guy in a mosque. Someone got it on video and it was released to the news, so they are investigating.

That must go on all the time but it never gets reported.

Someone here had a link to a similar incident several months ago during the first part of the war, showing video of US guys shooting an unarmed Iraqi soldier who was wounded and surrendering. Then afterwards they bragged about it. Does anyone still have that video or the link? It should be brought to the attention of the media, I never saw anything on the news about that incident.

mapleleaf4ever · #19 (**permalink**) Nov 17, 04

On the flip-side you have to remember what images are still vividly in the minds of American Soldiers. Remember Somalia anyone? The dead Marines being dragged through the Streets? Numerous conflicts have had travesties such as that. I'm not defending the act of killing an unarmed Civilian, but you have to realize the stress that Combat Troops are under. Even though they are drilled and trained, everyone slips up once in awhile no matter how Elite, be it SEALS, Green Berets etc.

-ff- · #20 (**permalink**) Nov 17, 04

and when they do slip, they should be punished.

miss.myra · #21 (**permalink**) Nov 17, 04

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-ff- · #22 (**permalink**) Nov 17, 04

hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighwaaaaaaaaaaay to the dangerzone!

Goat · #23 (**permalink**) Nov 17, 04

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Big thing on the news today was a US marine shooting dead an unarmed wounded and down Iraqi guy in a mosque. Someone got it on video and it was released to the news, so they are investigating.

Posts and news reportings like this piss me off. Not the fact a soldier blew someones brains out, but the huge ordeal they create about making war humane.

I don't agree with war period. Even hurting people, sometimes, bugs me. When war comes about though. You kill the son of a bitch before he/she kills you.

One more civilian dies in war, woop dee friggin doo. What's the count now? 10000+
I'm sure he got the easy way out compared to the thousands that have been bombed, pillaged, shot at, burned, and looted out of their homes.
Let the poor shit have his peace in death he couldn't have in life, don't make a media debacle out of it.

Blah.
Fuck.

Goat · #24 (**permalink**) Nov 17, 04

Oh ya, my point: Showing how one man is treated during war is NOT a news worthy item.

ebbomega · #25 (**permalink**) Nov 17, 04

If it's kill or be killed, I'd do it.

But one major reason I don't join the military is that I really can't find one that is morally aligned with me that I'd be willing to die for.

Forever destined to be a Street Samurai, I suppose.