Young girls who have babies then sue for child support

[diva]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

if you're in a relationship, and your girl is on the pill, why exactly would you suddenly ask to use a condom? wouldn't that almost be border-line offensive? and now it's suddenly his fault because this dumb slut got preggos on purpose?
so, if this guy and this girl were fuckin, and he decided to whip off his rubber quickly so he could bust his nut in this girl's womb, that's cool? and then she'd have to accept the responsibility of raising this unwanted child because she was all grown up to have sex?

First of all, no form of birth control is 100%.
You're always taking a chance with sex.

As for the example you provided, I think that if you could prove it to the authorities, criminal charges could be laid. But again, you probably don't know your sexual partner very well if they're suddenly going to whip of a condom during sex.

I don't know, there examples are kinda dumb because shit like this doesn't happen that often.
Everyone knows of a friend of a friend of a friend who's had this happen to him. All women are evil and really want to fuck up their lives in order to have a hobo, shit for brains guy's bastard baby.

Anyone who doesn't agree that both parties responsible for creating a life have to take responsibility for it can write a very impassioned letter to their local MP in order to try and change this very cruel and unfair legislation.

[wum]

that's why you gotta work things out BEFORE you have sex. i.e. don't hook up with someone who is emotionally unstable.

[diesskei]

Don't be fucking retards. You can keep saying your "it takes two to tango" bullshit, but when it comes straight down to it the bitch took it in her own power to fuck with the rest of his life. If he would have known she wasn't on the pill, I guaranfuckingtee you he wouldn't have had sex with her, or would have at least used a condom. She trapped him, and that is that. While you are correct about the effectiveness of birthcontrol devices not being 100%, 99.5 or whatever the pill is, is a lot fucking better than 0%. If this happened to you, you would be singing a different tune guaranteed.

[Cdn_Brdr]

I can guarantee you that she isn't suing him either. I'll bet the scenario is that the girl is living on welfare and as one of the conditions of welfare for single mothers she has to register with the Family Maintenance Enforcement Program.

It makes the father responsible and less money has to come out of gov't funding.

[dapimpstress]

i dunno how different the laws are there.. but here, if its your child, you have to pay child support. and why shouldn't you? whether you WANTED the baby or not is not the issue... the issue is that there is a baby, a life, that has to be taken care of and paid for SOMEhow...


my friend is going through something like this right now... his new girl, who he is married to, hates that he pays his ex girlfriend( and not jus that he pays her, but hates her also...), child support for their kid...hates it to a point where (yeah this girl is crazy i kno) she tell him if he doesn't STOP paying her, she's leaving him... but he HAS to pay it or he'll go to JAIL right... its so fuked.

[SquiLa]

Originally Posted by diesskei

Don't be fucking retards. You can keep saying your "it takes two to tango" bullshit, but when it comes straight down to it the bitch took it in her own power to fuck with the rest of his life. If he would have known she wasn't on the pill, I guaranfuckingtee you he wouldn't have had sex with her, or would have at least used a condom. She trapped him, and that is that. While you are correct about the effectiveness of birthcontrol devices not being 100%, 99.5 or whatever the pill is, is a lot fucking better than 0%. If this happened to you, you would be singing a different tune guaranteed.

In the end this girl did not get what she wanted, which was him. The bitterness of the situation is horrible on both sides. My friend found out that the mother was the kind of person that he had to get away from. If I gave specifics I bet more people would agree. But I don't want to reveal identities here. Essentially what she did was against all of his morals; foremost, bringing a baby into this world out of spite and entrapment.

And if I were to reveal the true identity of this guy many of you would know that he is not a dead beat dad, not irresponsible, none of the above. Except for, dare I say, a victim. I cannot reveal his identity because of his fear of being judged. No matter what there will always be those that completely can't see that a man can be a victim in this situation too.

[SquiLa]

Originally Posted by Cdn_Brdr

I can guarantee you that she isn't suing him either. I'll bet the scenario is that the girl is living on welfare and as one of the conditions of welfare for single mothers she has to register with the Family Maintenance Enforcement Program.

It makes the father responsible and less money has to come out of gov't funding.

Yes this is the case. The mother is on welfare. But it is essentially like suing since the province appointed a lawyer to write up the garnishee documents and handle the case.

There will be more court proceedings to follow. NO correspondence was ever made to the father about any of this in the first place - at all. This is a strange and unusual situation and no one asked his side - if it matters at all - but it will be put on record anyway.

I can agree if a couple is commonlaw or married or just not teenagers or even teenagers that agreed to have a baby!! But come on.

[SquiLa]

Originally Posted by Ashes

my friend is going through something like this right now... his new girl, who he is married to, hates that he pays his ex girlfriend( and not jus that he pays her, but hates her also...), child support for their kid...hates it to a point where (yeah this girl is crazy i kno) she tell him if he doesn't STOP paying her, she's leaving him... but he HAS to pay it or he'll go to JAIL right... its so fuked.

yikes. way to make a situation worse ^ thats fucked.

[dapimpstress]

Originally Posted by SquiLa

yikes. way to make a situation worse ^ thats fucked.

i know, its like dude, wut a bitch first of all, and second, poor guy, i mean he's trying to do the right thing, and its all jus fukd up...

[SquiLa]

Originally Posted by Goat

If you bring a life into this world, and can't prove it's someone elses, wouldn't you rather play a more influential role in his/her life then being the dead-beat-cheap-skate-who-ran-off-Mom-is-really-bitter-about?

More like dead beat welfare mom who was the bitter posessive one, and he finally realized this (after she slept with his best friend and broke up with him to see other guys numberous occasions over the 3 years). Then finally when he couldn't take anymore and decided to leave, the girl became afraid (because he had always been there to run back to). She broke down, went berzerk, he consoled her again and the she went and deliberately got pregnant.

Anyway, god I hate drama!! I just want this to be a warning to all my brothers and guy friends out there.

Be assured the child support will be paid in this case. PERIOD.

[Goat]

^You misunderstood.
I have no doubt your buddy is a great guy. It sounds like the integrity of the woman/girl as mentioned is in question. If she is indeed a broad and has to fight for every cent, do you really think she's going to say nice things about the father when the kid starts asking "where's daddy?".

Im alarmed that someone would allow their offspring to be raised by someone as imature and shallow as she's been made out to be.

[diva]

Originally Posted by SquiLa

In the end this girl did not get what she wanted, which was him. The bitterness of the situation is horrible on both sides. My friend found out that the mother was the kind of person that he had to get away from. If I gave specifics I bet more people would agree. But I don't want to reveal identities here. Essentially what she did was against all of his morals; foremost, bringing a baby into this world out of spite and entrapment.

And if I were to reveal the true identity of this guy many of you would know that he is not a dead beat dad, not irresponsible, none of the above. Except for, dare I say, a victim. I cannot reveal his identity because of his fear of being judged. No matter what there will always be those that completely can't see that a man can be a victim in this situation too.

No one's saying that your buddy is a horrible guy. From the sounds of it, he was victimized.

He is responsible for his actions, however. He should have covered his dink before humping a broke psychopath.

If you don't want to chance having a baby with someone who's unfit to take care of herself, let alone take care of another human being, DO NOT HUMP THEM.

HELLO.
HERE'S A FOOL PROOF WAY OF ENSURING THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO UNWITTINGLY SPREAD Y0UR SEED: DO.NOT.FUCK.

[SquiLa]

Originally Posted by Goat

^You misunderstood.
I have no doubt your buddy is a great guy. It sounds like the integrity of the woman/girl as mentioned is in question. If she is indeed a broad and has to fight for every cent, do you really think she's going to say nice things about the father when the kid starts asking "where's daddy?".

Im alarmed that someone would allow their offspring to be raised by someone as imature and shallow as she's been made out to be.

Yes point taken. These are all concerns of my friend. He has been thinking about the options and isn't sure what to do or what he is allowed to do (as men don't get a lot of choice in these matters).

IMO, and perhaps I will be harsh here - but I wouldn't want to raise a child that is half made up of someone I despise because they really are fucked up and also half raised by them anyway because he likely won't be able to have sole custody unless this girl gives the baby up 100%. Nature or nuture. I always believed in both.

*edit* Futhermore, an obvious reason that women choose not to have a baby (either before [abortion] or after [adoption]) is that they have dreams, aspirations and goals they may want to achieve in their life. It generally becomes harder to do this when you have to devote your life to now raising a child. So for this same obvious reason, that men do have dreams, aspirations and goals too (my friend included) they wouldn't choose to have a baby so young. The problem is that men ultimately cannot choose. For in this situation if my friend had been able to choose, which he did in his own mind, he would have chosen to go toward his goals instead.

And saying that he choose this when he fucked the girl is just absurd (see below post).

[SquiLa]

Originally Posted by diva

No one's saying that your buddy is a horrible guy. From the sounds of it, he was victimized.

He is responsible for his actions, however. He should have covered his dink before humping a broke psychopath.

If you don't want to chance having a baby with someone who's unfit to take care of herself, let alone take care of another human being, DO NOT HUMP THEM.

HELLO.
HERE'S A FOOL PROOF WAY OF ENSURING THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO UNWITTINGLY SPREAD Y0UR SEED: DO.NOT.FUCK.

Don't fuck. Got it. Thanks Ms. Diva nun lady!

P.S. Your reasoning is flawed. Follow me here: If it takes 2 to have sex and create a baby (and both choose to have sex - not him 'fucking' her as you put it) then it would follow that the 2 (in this day and age) should also decide together whether to bring the baby into the world. And I believe the law should reflect this equality instead of what happened in this special case. If the woman went ahead and had the baby on her own, which she can choose to do, then she needs to live up to her actions and the man should not be held liable because he was merely a sperm donor who also had consentual sex.

Don't tell me you believe that because the woman must bear the baby for 9 months that the man must pay by giving up his rights in this matter? - Don't answer this because I will not answer you.

[SquiLa]

And lastly,

Thank-you to all those that expressed your support and shared similar stories (in private). It is appreciated.

[Jen-E-03]

The guy shoulda used protection, then none of that would have happened. He's got to take responsiblity for his own actions, she didnt get pregnant by herself.

[diva]

Originally Posted by SquiLa

If the woman went ahead and had the baby on her own, which she can choose to do, then she needs to live up to her actions and the man should not be held liable because he was merely a sperm donor who also had consentual sex.

Don't tell me you believe that because the woman must bear the baby for 9 months that the man must pay by giving up his rights in this matter? - Don't answer this because I will not answer you.

Your friend wasn't merely a sperm donor. If you have sex with someone, you have to be prepared to deal with the consequences...as shitty as those consequences may be. He can't say, "well, i thought she was on the pill, i don't want anything to do with the byproduct of my irresponsibility. She tricked me!" That's weak human behaviour, and YOUR logic, my friend is the one that's flawed.

It was a very shitty thing that happened to your friend; but that doesn't change the fact that he inpregnated someone (accidental or not), and should pay for his mistake. A rather costly mistake, but a mistake nonetheless.

And the answer to your question is no, i don't believe that. I don't however, think that someone has any right to make another person terminate a pregnancy--regardless of how that pregnancy took place--that they helped cause.

I believe that both parties responsible for creating the new human being must also be held responsible for caring for it. Mistake or not.

[Rhianna]

Dear boys,

Girls get knocked up all the time EVEN when they REALLY are on the pill. I know of 4 women that have had this happen. One of them being my doctor (I think she knows how to take it properly too) and my mum.

The pill is 99.9% effective if you are PERFECT at taking it, most girls aren't.

So don't be a tool, if you really really don't want a baby than shut the hell up and put on a condom.

[Kandyapple]

Fuck this reminds me of my first bf. He once admitted that he tried to get my pregnant by letting the condom slip when we were having sex.
I just looked at him like he was an idiot.
I'm like 1 I'm on the pill, second, I'm pro choice, three it would still be over, and four YOUR AN IDIOT!!!!!!!
Gota love people that are so insecure that they try the last resort to keep you. And their judgement is so clouded that they can't even realize that I have choices even if he did get me pregnant.

I do truly feel bad for guys that get set up like this. But why let a child suffer due to a mistake. It's not the baby's fault. It is a fucked up situation. But babys gota eat.

[diva]

Originally Posted by Rhianna

Dear boys,

Girls get knocked up all the time EVEN when they REALLY are on the pill. I know of 4 women that have had this happen. One of them being my doctor (I think she knows how to take it properly too) and my mum.

The pill is 99.9% effective if you are PERFECT at taking it, most girls aren't.

So don't be a tool, if you really really don't want a baby than shut the hell up and put on a condom.

condoms are even less effective than the pill

[miss.myra]

The moral of the story is don't have sex!

If you have sex you're going to get pregnant OR DIE!

[Rhianna]

Originally Posted by diva

condoms are even less effective than the pill

I meant use them together.

But I think Myra's right. Everyone should just stop having sex.

[miss.myra]

Who really wants to die? That would be totally way uncool!

[wum]

well... lemons out of lemonade. having a kid this soon certainly takes some adjusting, but it can be something really great too. your friend should refocus his attentions on his daughter.

[MissBehavior]

There's one situation that's even worse than this one. That's where the girl gets preggers, the guy steps up like a real man to be a daddy, and she turns into a psycho hosebeast who never lets him see his kid...Like avoiding his calls on Xmas day.

So fucking wrong.