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Old Nov 21, 05
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sorry, but you live in canada and this is the way that our country has been run for years
another cool thing about Canada is that you are currently able to make this statement without being killed.
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Old Nov 21, 05
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For anyone that says issues are too vague you aren't looking hard enough. When at the polling station they even have a booklet full of everyones views, for those who didn't have time to research for themselves.

I researched, knew who I was going to vote for and was done in 6 minutes.

However, I wa shopping on 4th and asked to borrow my boyfriends car to go vote and had to listen to him and three of his friends roll on the ground laughing for the next 10 minutes. These guys are older than me, yet don't seem to think that voting is important... they think it's a joke. It made me feel sick.
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Old Nov 21, 05
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I didn't intend to start such a controversy over "if you don't vote, you can't bitch." I simply intended to say that because i've heard many people bitch about issues because they are too ignorant to find out what is really going on in the world. If they actually did some research, they would become educated on a certain issue.

It was merely a statement to people who bitch about problems but didn't vote to try and fix the situation. I don't care if you don't vote, but don't bitch that things are going wrong, because you could have voted for someone who would have made a difference. I also agree with Sidekick. If you're not going to vote, don't complain about things, get active in fixing the problem!!
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Old Nov 21, 05
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another cool thing about Canada is that you are currently able to make this statement without being killed.
what i meant by that statement was that if you want to change things then you have to somewhat work within the 'system' that has already been established. if you want to change the political landscape in canada you have to play by the rules that have been established before you can actually change anything. not voting is not going to change anything. it's a weak political stance to take. but being active during elections and contact your MLA and campaigning for issues that you believe in...now that can actually change something.

you have to start somewhere. not voting isn't really going to get you any change. it's just an apathetic layback attitude of "well i don't agree with anything so i'm not going to do anything at all" congrats. you are now just a barnacle on the canadian landscape.
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Old Nov 21, 05
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I think alot of people seem to forget that there will always be independents not wanting to make decisions to have a leader or mayor as we call it, as they take a other part of community Resp. ''witch makes our society a little more complete, cultivated and humanly livable''.

All living ''regroupment'' works that way, sounds dumb I could probably find a better exemple, so we have animals that live in small communities and some that live by they're own or in small groups same for plants.
Does it make them less part of what we call community development? Is it an Issue? It can be an Issue in both ways as it can be a plus. Most of us knows how it is Living in a big community, when you have a dense community you are often steping on each other witch often results to criminality. Living in solitude can be very hard as well, and you only have your self to count on, you can't become lazy cause you mUst feed your self.
The difficulties are different, but as hard, beetween a Cactus serviving with the minimum and surounded with minimum resource, and a dense forest desperetly looking for light and Air serviving by the living of others everyone has daily opsticles...
(I hope everyone understood :) )

JUST IMAGINE WITHOUT THAT RULE HOW EVEN MORE DENSE HOW SOCIETY WOULD BE, AND THAT OFTEN TELLS YOU THE ISSUES THEY'RE IS WHEN YOU LIVE CITIES LIKE NY, LA, HONG KONG, TOKYO...ETC

But not VOTING doesn't mean you are NOTHING, it means you want things to go differently. Does it mean that cause other do what they do you have to fallow it? No
It doesn't mean either that you can make it your way, by living with benefits of the community and not taking responsabilites.
but you have all the rights to live by your own rules as long as it doesn't bother your co-habitants, and not picking the best candies out of the bag as others have been working hard to get what they have.

PEACE

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Old Nov 21, 05
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an interesting coincidence: people who don't vote are in the minority. statistically if they actually cared enough, their votes would be split up (fairly evenly) between different parties, so the end result would be the same.

so who cares if some uneducated idiots don't vote, the majority will still be represented accurately, and that is what a democracy is. if someone feels their issues are not represented fairly, they can

1a) start their own party and
1b) realize that 0.1% of the population cares about their issues

or

2) convince an appropriate party that their issues should be included in that party's platform
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Old Nov 21, 05
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Originally Posted by Miss T
I didn't intend to start such a controversy over "if you don't vote, you can't bitch." I simply intended to say that because i've heard many people bitch about issues because they are too ignorant to find out what is really going on in the world. If they actually did some research, they would become educated on a certain issue.

It was merely a statement to people who bitch about problems but didn't vote to try and fix the situation. I don't care if you don't vote, but don't bitch that things are going wrong, because you could have voted for someone who would have made a difference. I also agree with Sidekick. If you're not going to vote, don't complain about things, get active in fixing the problem!!
Actualy I'm happy you brougth that up, I can't agree more that theres dumb asses knowing nothing from nothing, but theres also some that know alot from nothing and feel theres other ways to get the community working well...Thats how it works, if not its just a fucking misunderstood as usual...

anyway It sounds good to me, just like posting your opinion on this can be instructive but not posting it will never bring anything...

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Old Nov 21, 05
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but you have all the rights to live by your own rules as long as it doesn't bother your co-habitants, and not picking the best candies out of the bag as others have been working hard to get what they have.
you're right. you do have the option of living off by your own rules as long as they don't bother anyone else. but if you're going off to live by your own rules and reject 'common' society...then you aren't allowed to bitch and moan and complain about the rules that common society live by. if you're going to reject society and live by your own system, then fine, i couldn't care any less about that. but don't come back and complain about the rules and laws of the society you chose to leave because you had a chance to do something (vote) and didn't take that opportunity. basically that old saying: you made your bed, so now you have to lie in it.

here's an example of what i mean:

let's say you go to university. you love learning, but don't like the exam-style of testing your knowledge base, so you decide to reject it. you're not going to do any exams. now that's your choice. but when you fail that class because you haven't participated in the rules of that university you can't complain about it. you have the option to NOT do the exams. that's true. but don't complain about failing the class then.
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Old Nov 21, 05
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anyway It sounds good to me, just like posting your opinion on this can be instructive but not posting it will never bring anything...
odd. didn't you say before that she should keep her comments to herself?
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Old Nov 21, 05
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Originally Posted by Sidekick
you're right. you do have the option of living off by your own rules as long as they don't bother anyone else. but if you're going off to live by your own rules and reject 'common' society...then you aren't allowed to bitch and moan and complain about the rules that common society live by. if you're going to reject society and live by your own system, then fine, i couldn't care any less about that. but don't come back and complain about the rules and laws of the society you chose to leave because you had a chance to do something (vote) and didn't take that opportunity. basically that old saying: you made your bed, so now you have to lie in it.

here's an example of what i mean:

let's say you go to university. you love learning, but don't like the exam-style of testing your knowledge base, so you decide to reject it. you're not going to do any exams. now that's your choice. but when you fail that class because you haven't participated in the rules of that university you can't complain about it. you have the option to NOT do the exams. that's true. but don't complain about failing the class then.
I'm affread weither you live with society or not, your intimate place will be affected a way or other, so no I do think you have the right to bitch, but with no exgeration of course...

I doubt that you are stupid, just try living by own one day without any community influence.
nearly IMPOSSIBLE
And same for the community, they will want to taste the natural freshness once in a while.

So you see it doesn't just work in one way...
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Old Nov 21, 05
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odd. didn't you say before that she should keep her comments to herself?
People Change...and It is reither the way they said it that made me respond
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Old Nov 21, 05
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^that's exactly my point. you can't really live outside of society. just like you can't live outside of the university rules if you decide to attend that university. so since you are going to live in a society, you might as well make it the best society that you can...and in canada we do that through democracy and voting and activism.
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Old Nov 21, 05
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^
Hmm..yeah I think we're kind of turning around here.
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Old Nov 21, 05
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This isn't Hobbes' "state of nature." If you want to make change you have to work within that society by using all its available tools to manifest that. Voting being one of those tools.
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Old Nov 21, 05
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ugh, nevermind. i hate fnk debates.
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Old Nov 21, 05
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Maztraz needs an fnk spellcheck.
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Old Nov 21, 05
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I'm fucking tired of excuses.

People, it is your CIVIC DUTY to research the candidates and VOTE!

I've said it a thousand times, and I'll say it again, MY relatives along with the relatives of MILLIONS of other poeple gave their lives so we could have the rights that we take for granted! It absolutely infuriates me that people can be so incredibly self-centered and disrespectful! Do you wear a poppy on Remembrance Day? If you do, and you didn't vote, you clearly have no concept of what that poppy stands for and I suggest that you never wear one again.
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Old Nov 21, 05
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aww fuck he added me too. :/
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Old Nov 21, 05
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yea and i'm sure the vast majority of people who didn't vote were just so disenfranchised with the dictator like system used to run the civic elections in b.c. that they couldn't be bothered for 20mins.

and i'm also sure they were actually educated on the relevant issues for their city but they had no one to accurately represent them. oh the poor disiillusioned middle class folks of canada.

yea, so after that 3% of the population what's your excuse?

everyone has the right to bitch, but just don't do it around voters if you're a non voter. simple as that. because you come off as a real turkey.
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Old Nov 21, 05
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aww fuck he added me too. :/
Yeah Nice...I can take you off if you like

I don't mind
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Old Nov 21, 05
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hahaha in maple ridge only 10 000 outta 72 000 voted....

I didn't vote.... actually I don't know anyone who did......
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Old Nov 21, 05
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feel free to draw your own conclusions, but I find it interesting that a lot of the issues affected and unified specific geographic areas, and all the winning votes came from other areas.

^Buses, Policing, Woodwards, Stadiums, 4Pillars

Also all four borrowing questions went through, everyone get ready for sweet taxes!
eh, maybe people just got tired of the constant focus on the downtown eastside.
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Old Nov 21, 05
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anyone watch the news this evening...

The a scandal involving sullivan.....
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Old Nov 21, 05
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James Green is getting some good media attention for this.
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Old Nov 21, 05
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TONS!

regardless if it's true or not.
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