bad night of poker.

[Alex]

so im playing 1-2 nl at boulevard casino.
playing very tight aggressive, up 250(bought in 100 up to 350)look at the clock, 11:40, decide to play 20ish more minutes then cash.

get dealt KQ suited, im in late position so I limp in, everyone calls.
flop comes KQ4 rainbow. I bet 30, get 2 callers. turn comes 6, bet another 30, both call. river comes A checked 3 ways. turn them over, this asian guy has A4. what the fuck was he calling with???

few hands later im dealt A9 on the button. checked all around flop comes 9 5 2 rainbow. i bet 40. same asian guy calls. river is an ace. I bet 60 he calls. river Q I bet another 60 he calls with AQ.

I keep my cool, get dealt 78d limp in in late position. flop comes 56 K rainbow. i check, it's checked around. turn comes 9 of spades(the k is a spade as well) I bet 30, the same asian guy calls. river comes a 3rd spade I check, he checks and has a flush!

finally now I am back down to my original 100, get AKd on the button. I bet out 20, called 4 ways. flop comes jd 8s 4d so I have15 outs(60% to hit) first to act raises 20, asian dude calls, i push all in, both call. so if I hit I triple up. turn comes a brick, first to act raises another 100, asian dude folds, first to act flips over pocket 4s for trip 4s, heart falls on the river.


Little miffed. I think I played all these hands well... still up for the week(and lifetime. lol) just choked I lost 350 in 25 minutes on what I think to be bad beats(the last hand was a coin flip but I had odds to push all in)

any of you other poker players offer any insight into if I played these hands well/poorly? WOuld be appreciated.

[tiedye]

well, I personally wouldn't have pushed all-in while chasing a flush. That's just me though. Giving in to temptation leaves too much chance for loss. The only time I push all-in when I don't have anything is when there's a scattered flop and turn that helps nobody out. . that way they have no idea what I've got in my pocket and I don't have to risk someone pairing up a face card on the river and taking the pot. . or when it's apparent that the first to act will win the pot, because nobody has anything (such as a flush draw that everyone is afraid to bet on).

as for your KQ hand. . . I would have played it exactly the same way. He obviously didn't know what he was doing, or there was some subterfuge going on at that table. I had a hand a few weeks ago similar to this. I was on the button, and I bet hard pre-flop with an AQd. Queen of spades, 6 of diamonds, Ace of clubs. He just kept checking and then calling my bet. 9 of clubs comes up. He checks, I bet, he calls. I knew he was chasing something; he always raises or re-raises on the turn when he has something. Then the river comes around, third spade on the table, I had two pair. He checks, I bet three quarters of his stack, he thinks about it for awhile. Then he calls, I throw down my two pair and he says "oh shit, you beat me." He throws down his cards, and didn't even realize he hit the flush.

Hands like that are unavoidable. No matter how well you play them, some people just call and call for no fucking reason and get lucky. I kind of like playing poker against those kinds of guys, because it's that much harder to read them.

sucks about your losses though. but that's poker, right?

[mapleleaf4ever]

OH SNAP!

That's what happens when you play Cards. I myself prefer the Roulette Table.

[MC Hammered]

Played your hands well? I think you played them quite brutally myself. Based on your betting patterns you didn't bet enough to protect your hand.

First hand: You bet 30 and get 2 callers. On the turn I would have bet 100 and take the pot right there. If they call then they paid for their draw.

Second hand: You made the same mistake. You didn't bet your hand. A 40 flop bet and a 60 turn bet?? That's just weak unless you were trying to fish for action and you got it.

Same with the 3rd hand.

And then you finally decide to play aggressive when you have nothing.

Reanalyze your betting patterns. Always be aware of the pot size and if you have the hand then take it down RIGHT THERE and make anyone pay to draw. Better to win the pot no matter what the size than to lose your bet right?

Betting dinky amounts on the turn doesn't really scare anyone away. Even in limit play the turn bet is double the flop bet so why the hell are you betting the same amount or just 50% more? You are letting them draw for cheap!

And my last tip for you. Stop limping in if you are playing in late position. Raise and see what the hell is out there instead of playing the stupid trap pussy game everyone is doing these days.

[Alex]

^^^

now that i've slept on it and thought it over I think you're right about my betting in one way. Relative to my previous bets on the hands, and pot sizes, my bets were insignificant, and gave my callers pot odds. At the time, I was one of 3 players at the table to have more than 200 dollars, most of them under 100. I was telling myself that my bets were big enough to scare anyone at the table, unless they had the nuts, and I was wrong(well, the asian guy calling me down was playing pretty recklessly. he had chip lead whenI left but his stack was yo yoing. funny thing is he didn't raise a hand all night. just called everyone down... i wasn't trying to bluff him, obviously I had hands, just didn't think he had the goods(or atleast enough to beat me) seeing as how i'd seen him call others down with bottom pair, etc. On one hand the player to my right pushed all in on the flop (jjQ) the old asian guy called, flipped over, buddy to my right had AJ, asian guy had 55, turn came a brick, river a 5... giving the old asian guy a full house and taking down the pot.


Now as for my last hand after sleeping it over i still stand by my move. I wasn't going to put the one guy on trips, seeing as how he had just called the blinds under the gun(the guy seemed like a good player, he was in 2nd chip leader, was playing super tight aggressive like myself. if he had had pocket 44 he should have folded under the gun to even the big blind, not to mention my bet of 20. If he had had 88 or jj he should have bet.), He bet out a weak amount imo and got the old asian guy to call, a calling station.

I couldn't put a firm hand on the first to act. her could have had 910 or even suited diamonds chasing a flush liem myself, and simply was protecting his draw by betting into it. He also could have had a J with a high kicker meaning either my A or K could be dead. The asian guy could have had anything, and he folded on the turn so I'll never know...

Anyways as it stood i thought best case i had 15 outs(9 diamonds, 3 Aces, 3 kings) and I could even hit a miracle runner runner straight. lol. but I wasn't counting that in. if I hit my flush that's the uncounterfeitable nuts. either my ace or my king will give me top pair top kicker, which is hazy if it'll hold up. regardless, im at either a 60% chance of hitting my hand, or about a 36% if only the flush will do it. my raise was about the size of the pot, if i had more i would have raised more. i wasn't counting on first to act folding he had already bet and he was pot committed, and I knew the old asian guy would call me down. if by chance they both folded, great I win the pot right their. if they both call then either i'm getting the exact odds i need if my flush is the only thing that will do it, or I'm getting great odds if either my king or Ace will do it. For one of them to call the other fold, i'd need to have alkl my outs effective to have made the right call, but like i mentioned my gut told me they were both going to call and I didn't put first to act on trips.

so i agree with you that my betting was off in the first 3 hands. i was betting relative the blinds and everyone's stack size, thinkngmy bets of 30, 60 dollars, etc, which would put most people all in, were big enough to win pots right their, and thinking if the old asian guy did call me down my hand was good enough to still take it.(he was the only one consistently calling any big bets) in reality his stack was by far the biggest, and by raising an amount, and him calling, then only raising the same amount again or 50% more I was giving him the right pot odds to call on draws and weak hands, letting him suck me out. I stand by my play on my last hand though.

[MC Hammered]

Don't justify your last hand as it is nothing more than a tilt play once you realize you lost a huge % of your chips playing the previous 3-4 hands poorly.

You should push hard with made hands like you have and conservatively call your draws like in the last hand and NOT the other way around.

The only time you do push is if you have lots of chip action before you and you push all in to trap dead money or force others to call and then generate pot odds for you to hit your draw.

A 3-way pot doesn't give you nearly enough pot odds for your hand to justify pushing it all in. Hit your Ace? King? Please... a person who is pushing should be able to easily beat any pair you make. Remember... you said he is FIRST position. He's not going bet like that with just top pair and his subsequent power play even though you pushed all in should tell you that he has a real strong hand. He's pretty much ignored your all in bet.

In fact if you looked at your previous hands YOU should have been the aggressor and not passively soft playing made hands. That's just bad poker.

[Big Bank Hank]

Like Winston said you didnt protect your hand enough on the turn in the first two hands. With the KQ hand , it took alot of restraint to check two pair on the river, give yourself credit for that (same with checking the straight).

The last hand, however you played the worst. Going all-in with flush draws is shit people see all the time on tv. No, its not a good idea. Youve got to figure an Ace to be someone else's kicker (like AJ). So you had 15 outs at best, but at worst u had only 7, which was the case.

Ive played 1-2NL too, and anybody is gonna call someone else's allin with top pair. When the first guy bet , youve got to put him on at least a pair of jacks. He didnt bet just to muck his hand to a raise. Then , since the pot is big , thats why the asian dude called. The guy with 44 did what u didnt you didnt do well on the other two hands , BETTING HUGE ON THE TURN. Its not totally incorrect to go allin with an overcard flushdraw, but realize, what u have ,only Ace high.

Basically , you had a short run of bad luck. But hey, its GAMBLING. New players to poker expect to win all the time, which boggles my mind. Just try not to tilt away, after a short -term bad run of cards. Iam sure you'll keep doing good.

[Alex]

ya, I don't expect to win every time i go out, more the logn run I'm interested in. That's why I've just been asking around if my play was abysmal or just bad luck. There were definately mistakes in my play, which I need to be concious about not repeating for next time.