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i've never heard alla spin so im neutral.

but anyone who cant (at the very least) beatmatch doesnt deserve gigs out.

Not because there is no potential, but a crowd shouldnt have to feel like theyre at amateur night when they probably had to pay a cover.
I would be choked.
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Old Jul 27, 06
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really.. beat matching records and mixing only takes about 3 months to learn.
Dnb is pretty advanced to get some of those quick mixes. You could be spinning for 10 years and still not know how to mix dnb.. Or you could be spinning for 6 months and know how to.

Expirience means nothing, its how you use your records to your advantage.
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Old Jul 27, 06
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I just don't see the point in fronting how long you been spinning for.

Maybe how long you've been playing out regularly.

Hell you never see a lead guitarist boasting, "WELL I'VE BEEN PRACTICING FOR 10 YEARS!!!"
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exactly.

ive never owned my own tables. but learned how to spin my buddy's dnb records after a few months of practice.
beatmatching is probably one of the easier things to a mix, it doesnt take creativity or originality to beatmatch, its just a technical trick anyone can pickup .

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I've been at it for 7 or 8 years and i still fuck up regularly.
Probably because i just cant settle down spinning one type of music.

... or i just suck.
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it's the latter.
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Old Jul 27, 06
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heh, doesn’t really make sense to exaggerate on the number of years playing if you don’t have the skills to reflect that experience, you are actually making yourself look worse.

disclaimer: my comment has nothing to do with the people in this thread as im a n00b and haven’t a clue
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you're the latter.
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Old Jul 27, 06
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What bugs me are DJ's who claim to spin certain genres or styles, but DONT!?! You should be able to through down at least a good 1-2 hours worth of the genre/style before you claim to spin it.

DJ's trying to claim their years of spining is so vage. Personaly I dont make a big deal about it. Some dj's play hours every day where other barly touch their records once a week. Then some are out playing every weekend where some barly play out a few times a year.
However really in Alla's case she should probly just say she's been spinning for 2 years instead of 7. Copping her out was a bit much... I mean any person reading that bio would easy figure out that she claims to spin 7 yeras but bought her decks in 2005 and its 2006???

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holly molly this is sure a fnk shit storm.

lol...props to egor for stirrin the shit up but kinda shady ya gotta do it by attacking someone, but you do have a point.

this scene is litterd with people fronting this and fronting that. its all such a big show. alot of people seem so weak willed and desperate for a rep or image or status.....personally i find it draining when i come across these types of people.

after a SOLID 7 years of partying and attending dnb nites and half assed spinning in my room (lol) im am more certain of this than ever.
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i want to see a dj spin every genre under the sun.
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while fronting is weak, blame shouldn’t necessarily be placed on the DJs doing the fronting. Its the promoters job to find actual "talent" and provide it to ticket holders.
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Old Jul 27, 06
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while fronting is weak, blame shouldn’t necessarily be placed on the DJs doing the fronting. Its the promoters job to find actual "talent" and provide it to ticket holders.
As a promoter, I can say for those DJ's that are out of town, you really are going on what they give you for promotional material. I wouldn't trust a mix these days for the life of me, considering the technology out there to make a mix flawless.

I remember DJ Ash that Azim brought into Simple several years ago. It was claimed that he was the youngest DJ out there. He didn't make one mix. His manager, also his mother did a great job of promoting him.
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Old Jul 27, 06
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one last thing to add - it truly is about who you know in this city.

There are a tonne of Mediocre DJ's that get booked weekly, and the good ones tend to be ignored, it is a shame.
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As a promoter, I can say for those DJ's that are out of town, you really are going on what they give you for promotional material. I wouldn't trust a mix these days for the life of me, considering the technology out there to make a mix flawless.

I remember DJ Ash that Azim brought into Simple several years ago. It was claimed that he was the youngest DJ out there. He didn't make one mix. His manager, also his mother did a great job of promoting him.
hmm yeah fair enough.. but what about previous bookings etc? shouldn’t that also be part of the decision to book someone?, my guess is the cost factor is also something that’s taken into account..
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one last thing to add - it truly is about who you know in this city.

There are a tonne of Mediocre DJ's that get booked weekly, and the good ones tend to be ignored, it is a shame.
Unless you start producing and make good tracks. Otherwise its all about the hype. I should start taking resumes for a posse
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hmm yeah fair enough.. but what about previous bookings etc? shouldn’t that also be part of the decision to book someone?, my guess is the cost factor is also something that’s taken into account..
I agree - and dj's that are shitty don't get rebooked with me. There are a tonne of factors that I take into consideration when rebooking.

Their talent.
Their demeanor.
How much they bitch about their time slot.
What they act like on the boards.

In a sense, don't bite the hand that feed you. I see and hear a lot of that from DJ's.
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Old Jul 27, 06
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I've been spinning trance for 20 years.

IT'S TROO!

Learning to beatmatch is easy. I was able to do it the third time I touched decks.

Learning to beatmach CONSISTANTLY is an entirely different story. And no matter how good you get, you can always have an off night.

Frankly, I don't get what the big deal is about beatmatching anyways. The only people that really notice minor trainwrecks are DJs anyways. People in general don't care about technical skill as long as they're enjoying the music being played.

That being said, a 3-minute-long trainwreck doesn't exactly get people into the music, know what I'm saying?
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So, Avana, if I call you a doodiehead on FNK, will you never book me?
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Old Jul 27, 06
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^ I was wondering the same thing.

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Frankly, I don't get what the big deal is about beatmatching anyways. The only people that really notice minor trainwrecks are DJs anyways. People in general don't care about technical skill as long as they're enjoying the music being played.
Very valid point! I spun at a large House Party in Toronto a month or so ago and everyone went off for my Set. I thought I did mediocre at best with a couple errors, but still People were coming up and telling me how much they liked it.

You don't need to be perfect, just catch yourself quickly enough to make it sound as close to it as possible. That's why it's Live!
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The thing I don’t understand is why people front to get bookings in the first place, once you get up there it doesn’t matter what your resume looks like if you can’t walk the walk people are going to know, your basically shooting yourself in the foot. I guess it depends on the crowd too, maybe some crowds are too fucking high/n00b or whatever to know the difference…. Meh…

I’ve seen some people who should not be playing out get re-booked after playing terrible sets simply because of who they are and who they know. The thing I ask myself is “don’t they know? Don’t they realize they suck? Do they care?, I dunno I just started playing out myself and im extremely critical with myself, probably too much, If I suck, I know I suck, Id rather not play then make a fool out of myself.

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Old Jul 27, 06
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So, Avana, if I call you a doodiehead on FNK, will you never book me?
Doodiehead - I may let you get away with. But you may get a shot with my gangster water pistol that I keep in my car.

Anything more derogatory gets you one warning, and that is it. I shouldn't even give one warning, cause it is so incredibly rude and disrespectful, but I slip up now and again too.
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Old Jul 27, 06
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^ But it's just the Interweb. :p

Shoot him with the Water Gun anyways.
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Old Jul 27, 06
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^ But it's just the Interweb. :p

Shoot him with the Water Gun anyways.
I am not just talking about the interweb though. I am talking about all forms of communication.

Business is business. You wouldn't go up to your boss and tell them he was a pud at work. Why would you do that to the promoter who has been gracious enough to book you?

It is the RIN(raver information network) and no matter who you think is keeping your secret, they aren't. I hear everything.
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lol@RIN

You wouldn't call your Boss a Pud at work.

Just like I'm sure most DJs wouldn't mouth you off at your Show.

Really, you can only hold Locals hostage to the "RIN"... if say DJ Friction talks shit about a Promoter here, he most likely wouldn't be too saddened if you didn't Book him again.
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